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KLM B763s: Why Were They Phased Out?  
User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9688 times:

Don't know if this have been discused before but that's a doubt that I have for a a while...

KLM's ex-763s were built between 1995 and 2000, so, they wouldn't be old planes even today. Then, why they phased them out in favor of 332s starting in 2005, when the oldest 763 completed only 10 years of service (not to much for airplane)...?


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9688 times:
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just guessing here , freight has always been important to KL and while I love the dear old 767 cargo is not its strong point . The A330 can carry 2 LD3s side by side , the 767 cannot . Don't know if that was the deciding factor for KL but I am sure that it was an important consideration


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9668 times:



Quoting JJ8080 (Thread starter):
Then, why they phased them out in favor of 332s starting in 2005

I expect the major reason was that the routes where the 763 was being used had grown to the point that an aircraft with 31 more seats, and with newer technology, would be more profitable.

The 763s were also still in good condition and were in strong demand by other carriers.


User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9600 times:

I guess cargo would be one of the main reasons. From what I've heard the 767s weren't all too comfy from a passenger's perspective either.

User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9578 times:



Quoting JJ8080 (Thread starter):
Then, why they phased them out in favor of 332s starting in 2005

The A330 uses about 12% less fuel per seat mile than the B767.


User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9579 times:



Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 3):
From what I've heard the 767s weren't all too comfy from a passenger's perspective either.

I loved KLM's 767s! They were by far the most comfortable planes around. The 2-3-2 seating gave the plane a cozy feel, and there is no risk of being very far from an aisle. The seats were just standard Y without PTV (as they were older planes). Going from a 767 to a NW DC-10 in AMS was always a pain. 2-5-2 should be the devils number, not 666!  Silly



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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9553 times:

To add to the above comments. I think the Leases on some if not all of those B763's where ending conveniently too. So they decided to switch to A330's instead.

Drew



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9548 times:



Quoting JJ8080 (Thread starter):
KLM's ex-763s were built between 1995 and 2000, so, they wouldn't be old planes even today. Then, why they phased them out in favor of 332s starting in 2005, when the oldest 763 completed only 10 years of service (not to much for airplane)...?

The B767 has always been an intermediate choice. At the time KLM needed an aircraft capable of flying further (without severe payload restrictions) than the A310 quickly.The A330 wasn´t an option as they weren´t available quickly. KLM leased the aircraft from ILFC for a fixed period whereby KLM had the option to a) buy the B767 after the lease expired, b) extend the lease for another period or c) trade the B767 for another type of aircraft after the lease expired. They choose for the latter because the A330 fitted better in their fleet due to the better cargo capabilities (the famous LD3) and the longer range (if I´m not mistaken the A330-200s can perform longer flights with full payload). Moreover the fact that AF already operated the A330 was also a factor.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9438 times:

Cargo standardisation with rest of the fleet (744, M11, NWA DC10 and A330/777 later on) and better payload range. New long routes where cargo is important like Chengdu, DFW are feasible with A330s.

User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 9238 times:

Thanks for all the infos guys..

Quoting Eghansen (Reply 4):
The A330 uses about 12% less fuel per seat mile than the B767.

Yes, but 10 years of service is way to short for a plane like the 767. They should consider the costs of acquiring the 330s and compare them to the fuel costs added by 767's older technology.

Quoting LJ (Reply 7):
The B767 has always been an intermediate choice. At the time KLM needed an aircraft capable of flying further (without severe payload restrictions) than the A310 quickly.The A330 wasn´t an option as they weren´t available quickly. KLM leased the aircraft from ILFC for a fixed period whereby KLM had the option to a) buy the B767 after the lease expired, b) extend the lease for another period or c) trade the B767 for another type of aircraft after the lease expired. They choose for the latter because the A330 fitted better in their fleet due to the better cargo capabilities (the famous LD3) and the longer range (if I´m not mistaken the A330-200s can perform longer flights with full payload). Moreover the fact that AF already operated the A330 was also a factor.

Very clarifying LJ, thanks a lot. It makes all sense. What about M11s, they didn't phased them out when received 777s, why is that? Growth?



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 9184 times:



Quoting LJ (Reply 7):
Moreover the fact that AF already operated the A330 was also a factor.

Good summary, you should however have skipped the last sentence. I remember "we" were talking to BA at that time..

http://www.asiatraveltips.com/travelnews2002/22July2002KLM.shtml
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20020126/ai_n9672073


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 9151 times:



Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 9):
What about M11s, they didn't phased them out when received 777s, why is that? Growth?

What I know the MD11 has its own role within the KL fleet on the routes it is used with no immediate need to replace it now on those routes whereas the KL 763s did need replacement on the routes it was used due to the factors mentioned in this thread.

HB-IWC is the person who can tell us all about this.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 9111 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 11):
What I know the MD11 has its own role within the KL fleet on the routes it is used with no immediate need to replace it

Indeed, they operate the MD11 to PTY, LIM, UIO, and GYE, any others? I know that SXM gets the MD11 during the summer.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 9076 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12):
I know that SXM gets the MD11 during the summer.

SXM is served by the MD11 only since this summer. So is AUA.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12):
LIM

LIM has been all-777 since this summer too. No MD11 on this route anymore. The 777 was introduced to start nonstop AMS-LIM flights due to increased demand from AMS and Europe to LIM.

SFO, YVR and YUL also receive the MD11 while DXB was also operated with the MD11. India also comes to mind but these destinations I don't know for sure.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9066 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 13):

Thanks for the info, I think SFO is served with a 744. Doesn't BON also receive MD11 service that continues onwards to Ecuador? Also, I believe that some routes to Africa see the MD11.


User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9049 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 13):
SFO, YVR and YUL also receive the MD11 while DXB was also operated with the MD11. India also comes to mind but these destinations I don't know for sure.

DEL gets an MD-11. I think it goes to 777 during the summer. It even alternated between M11 and 777 depending on the day.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9017 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 14):
Doesn't BON also receive MD11 service that continues onwards to Ecuador?

That is correct. UIO and GYE are served via BON.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 14):
Also, I believe that some routes to Africa see the MD11.

I know Africa received the MD11 as recent as a year or two ago but some of those routes have been replaced by the 777 too. I think LOS was once served by the MD11 if memory serves me well. Please correct me on this.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8954 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 16):

HYD and ACC also receive MD11 service. Your correct about LOS, it was replaced with 777 service.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8727 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 11):
What I know the MD11 has its own role within the KL fleet on the routes it is used with no immediate need to replace it now



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12):
Indeed, they operate the MD11 to PTY, LIM, UIO, and GYE, any others? I know that SXM gets the MD11 during the summer.

The MD11, with its just 24 premium seats, serves a unique purpose in the KLM fleet. It is used to high density lower yielding markets and it is often referred to within the company as the holiday plane, although that may be somewhat of a hyperbole. At this very moment, the MD11 is deployed on the following routes:

KL433/434 IKA
KL671/672 YUL
KL681/682 YVR
KL733/734 AUA
KL735/736 CUR
KL753/754 BON GYE UIO
KL757/758 PTY
KL765 SXM AUA
KL769 BON AUA
KL871/872 DEL
KL873/874 HYD

The current MD11 schedule is not too dense because the aircraft are going through cabin retrofit processes. As for the other routes mentioned by some of you:

KL587/588 LOS is now operated with a mix of A332 and B772
KL588/589 ACC is now operated with B772
KL567/569/571 JRO DAR is now operated with B772
KL605/606 SFO is now operated with B744

Upcoming changes will include a return of the MD11 to SFO (mixed with B772) in winter. LOS is at some point also planned to return to MD11, as is ACC, although there are changes in the pipeline for that destination. HYD will eventually lose MD11 service as this relatively new destination will be upgraded to B772 next year. DEL will operate with B744 for the winter, as usual. YVR will once again operate with A332 for the winter. The MD11 will return to JRO DAR for a while, but only during the slow season for East Africa.

Obviously, there is a lot of aircraft swapping going on at KLM (at some point YYZ was even designated to receive the MD11 next summer) and the only constant seems to be the deployment of the MD11 to the Caribbean network.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8703 times:



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 18):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12):
Indeed, they operate the MD11 to PTY, LIM, UIO, and GYE, any others? I know that SXM gets the MD11 during the summer.

The MD11, with its just 24 premium seats, serves a unique purpose in the KLM fleet. It is used to high density lower yielding markets and it is often referred to within the company as the holiday plane, although that may be somewhat of a hyperbole. At this very moment, the MD11 is deployed on the following routes:

KL433/434 IKA
KL671/672 YUL
KL681/682 YVR
KL733/734 AUA
KL735/736 CUR
KL753/754 BON GYE UIO
KL757/758 PTY
KL765 SXM AUA
KL769 BON AUA
KL871/872 DEL
KL873/874 HYD

Thanks for listing the current destinations served with the MD11. Indeed, it looks like the Caribbean region gets a bulk of the MD11 flights. Maybe YUL and YVR will see upgrades to the A-330s in the future; and hopefully DEL will receive 777 service.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8688 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 10):


Quoting LJ (Reply 7):
Moreover the fact that AF already operated the A330 was also a factor.

Good summary, you should however have skipped the last sentence. I remember "we" were talking to BA at that time..

Correct. This was indeed no issue.

Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 9):
Yes, but 10 years of service is way to short for a plane like the 767. They should consider the costs of acquiring the 330s and compare them to the fuel costs added by 767's older technology.

The A330s are also leased. I don´t know the exact details, but if I recall it correctly there is also a similar option embedded in the lease contract with ILFC as it was with the B767.


User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1220 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8613 times:



Quoting N867DA (Reply 5):
The 2-3-2 seating gave the plane a cozy feel, and there is no risk of being very far from an aisle.

So does the 2-4-2 configuration.  Smile


User currently offlineLarSPL From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8457 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 8):
New long routes where cargo is important like Chengdu, DFW are feasible with A330s

Chengdu is no option (yet) for the A330, due to oxygen requirements.



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8438 times:



Quoting LarSPL (Reply 22):
Chengdu is no option (yet) for the A330, due to oxygen requirements.

thnx I knew they were planning but obviously a bear appeared on the road  Wink

I think the 767 seems to have been more suited to do the early morning Heathrow flights..


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8316 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
Maybe YUL and YVR will see upgrades to the A-330s in the future; and hopefully DEL will receive 777 service.

I wouldn't expect any changes for YUL. YVR normally operates daily with MD11 in summer and 5 weekly A332 in winter. DEL will revert to B744 for the winter and for next summer it is slated to be a B772 destination, as is HYD, so there would be no more MD11 service to India at that point. The B772 for HYD is sourced from LOS, which is going to operate daily with MD11 next summer in lieu of the B772/A332 combination that is currently in place.

Quoting LarSPL (Reply 22):
Chengdu is no option (yet) for the A330, due to oxygen requirements.

The question is how long CTU will remain part of the KLM network. It was supposed to operate 4 times weekly, but was reduced to just twice weekly, officially because of the aftermath of the Earthquake in the region, but actually the route isn't doing all that well. For next summer, an increase to 5 weekly services is being planned, but at the same time a review of the route is under way.


25 Luv2cattlecall : What's meant by "oxygen requirements?"
26 SN-MD11 : Can you develop this assessment please ? I don't quite understand...
27 Scorpio : Of the current 10 A330s in the KLM fleet, only four come from ILFC. The others were ordered directly from Airbus. The two still to be delivered were
28 Frigatebird : KLM wanted to replace 3 types of WB (743/763/M11) with one type. Airbus offered the A330/A340 combo, Boeing the 772 (they proposed the 764 in an earli
29 A388 : The 772 and 77W are the same aircraft so KL has 4 different WB types, not 5. Secondly, these aircraft types are in the fleet as KL is in a transition
30 Frigatebird : Well, not quite the same, the 772, 77E and 773 are sometimes referred to as 777 'classics' and the 77L and 77W as 777 Long Range. But they all have t
31 A388 : My point yes. Okay, I stand corrected. Points taken. A388
32 HB-IWC : Furthermore, I read that the 777 fleet will not grow beyong 22 frames. By this time next year, the total fleet count will be 19, so that leaves no mo
33 A388 : What's the reason for this limit of 22 777 frames? Once the 747 (743 & 744) has been replaced by the 777 and a limit of 22 777's is put in place this
34 JJ8080 : Thought about it too. Then I thought that maybe they are not thinkig about phasing out 744s (300s are already out) at least for now... Please guys, c
35 Irobertson : Pretty much the same reason Air Canada phased out the A340s for the 777s I think. But then does anyone know where some of the KLM 763s went? Seems th
36 JJ8080 : Here goes the list: 2 to Zoom Airlines 2 to Neos 1 to Privatair 1 to Ethiopian 2 to Air Astana 2 to Aeroflot 1 to MALEV 1 to North American Airlines
37 Frigatebird : I'm a bit surprised by this news as well. KL has 17 777's in service, 4 more on order (to be delivered 2009/2010, and an option for 1 more. Which mea
38 HB-IWC : There are currently only 2 B77Ws in the fleet and although there are 25 B744s, only 22 of them are passenger aircraft, so the total passenger longhau
39 A388 : This is also why I don't understand the limit of 22 777's in the KL fleet. I can only think of KL "going smaller" on WB aircraft by ordering more 787
40 Irobertson : From what I understand, they've paid a considerable dollar for the new 777s + interior revamping, but they hope to recoup it by filling more seats an
41 CityofAthens : Whilst we're talking about KLM's longhaul fleet I was wondering whether someone could answer the following: How is it that KLM manages to make a profi
42 HB-IWC : I believe that we have to look at this issue in light of which aircraft will have to be replaced. Other than a handful of full passenger B744s, KLM w
43 A388 : Eventually KL will replace their entire 744 fleet so why stop at only replacing the first batch of 744s with 777s? KL will only order additional 77W'
44 HB-IWC : I hear you, but, again, how many more routes are there within the current KLM longhaul setup that can sustain year round deployment of 400+ seater ca
45 Keesje : 2 reasons to keep the M11's were a very good agreement with the leasing company and the fact it has very good cargo capasity, also from hot places. D
46 Kappel : IIRC the a32's were ordered before the AF tie-up. Yes they are. IIRC BFA is due for it's D-check in 2014 or so and KL will likely replace it by that
47 HB-IWC : Indeed, PH-BFA and PH-BFB, two full passenger aircraft, will be the first to go. They will come up for their next D-check by the end of 2012 and begi
48 A388 : I checked the KL website which shows that their 77W's have a seating capacity of 425 passengers, is that correct? If everybody here is saying that a 4
49 HB-IWC : It is not that a 400+ seat aircraft is too big for KLM, it is that there are only limited routes that can sustain the deployment of such aircraft. As
50 Frigatebird : HB-IWC, thanks very much indeed for your very informative post, and for all the detailed posts about KL operations before. I very much enjoy reading
51 Keesje : I remeber klm ordered / took options for ~24 A330s. Then they leased a few. Those options were taken after 2001, before the boom so are probably attra
52 A388 : Isn't this a waste of the 77W? Why use this aircraft on this route just so it doesn't sit idle in AMS while the aircraft flies with low load factors
53 HB-IWC : Well, some aircraft has to be deployed to CAI. KLM has in the past dispatched just about any widebody in its fleet on the route. Basically, the sched
54 Asiaflyer : Chengdu has a population of 11.7 Mio and Lima 7.8 Mio. May I ask what your definition of a big city then is? When do these options expire?
55 A388 : That is probably due to less competition in AUA. I think CUR still is the most important destination in KL's Caribbean network. Another question I ra
56 Hardiwv : LIM is operated daily nonstop with the B772 and loads are very good. I think CTU will be dropped as the destination showed that it is not sustainable
57 HB-IWC : I believe it is a given that we will see at least a couple more A332s added to the currently 10-strong fleet. Expansion in the medium haul sectors th
58 Hardiwv : I agree with you and do hope that KL introduces a bigger C cabin next year in the B77Ws. The first rows of Y cabin on the B77W are removable and ther
59 HB-IWC : There is of course the issue of the Premium Economy that AF/KL is planning to introduce somewhere in 2009. I hear it is more likely that the first co
60 Kappel : That sucks!! KL has always been my carrier of choice for long-haul travel (I am FB Gold), but if all 777's convert to 10 abreast, I will be flying ot
61 LJ : The AMS-JRO-DAR route is primarily a cargo route for roses (and other flowers) ex-JRO. This high yield cargo and makes it worthwhile even thought pax
62 SCL767 : This flight makes a stop in BON, not CUR.
63 HB-IWC : As stated just above, the Ecuador flights route through Bonaire (BON). Furthermore, the largest chunk of the passenger traffic on this route is going
64 LJ : Correct, my mistake
65 SCL767 : No worries, I believe the AMS-LIM flight used to stop over at CUR when it was operated with the MD11. However, it is now daily nonstop with a 777.
66 Hardiwv : Any chance for KL flying GYE-UIO nonstop from AMS or the routes has a compulsory stop-over in BON because of landing restrictions due to altitude? Co
67 SCL767 : That's great! Thanks Hardi for clarifying. I have to say KLM is one of my favorite airlines ever created, I mean its KLM, the world's oldest airline.
68 RedChili : Do you know whether the premium economy will be eight or nine abreast on the 777 and 747, and what the pitch will be like?
69 HB-IWC : There are plans for making the Ecuador flights nonstop, but as far as I know they are not on top of the priority list for now. The flight is likely t
70 HAMAD : KLM 767's were very basic, but yet unique, especially with their exit configuration, unlike many airlines 767's were they only have 4 main exits and o
71 JRadier : I've been hearing the same from Ecuador sources, with the exception of the holidays in the Netherlands, when UIO/GYE traffic combined can go down to
72 Hardiwv : It would make sense for UIO/GYE to receive the same upgrade as LIM. We could expect in future for Ecuador to be operated nonstop with the B772 once m
73 UPPERDECKFAN : What would happen with BON as it can not sustain a non stop flight? would be linked again with one of the other antilles as SXM or AUA? Only UIO is r
74 A388 : As I have said for a long time I see the role of BON as a so-called "hub" disappear in the coming years. BON can do with 3 (maybe 4) weekly flights f
75 Viscount724 : The 6-door 763s arent that unique. BA was a much larger 763 customer than KL with 28 purchased and theirs are also the 6-door model. And there are ot
76 HB-IWC : The last I have read about this topic is that BON would be linked to the rest of the Caribbean network a couple of times weekly if and when the Ecuad
77 SCL767 : Which aircraft will KLM use on the AMS-PBM-AMS route this winter?
78 HB-IWC : A full passenger B744, as usual, although KLM continues to investigate the deployment of the MD11 on the route, albeit with a higher frequency for at
79 SCL767 : Thanks for clarifying.
80 A388 : I just read that PTY will go to 5 x weekly as per December 1 (MD11). So my assumption might have some truth to it after all. I think BON can do with
81 LarSPL : increase for PTY is already announced
82 Kappel : Interesting for such a new route, must be doing very well...
83 A388 : Indeed it does. CM is based there who is also a Skyteam member airline which makes PTY an attractive Latin American hub for all other Skyteam members
84 CityofAthens : Thanks for the replies to my question above ... good luck to KLM, great to see a European airline fly to somewhere different for a change ..... I did
85 Hardiwv : This is excellent news for PTY and KL presence in the region. PTY has become very efficient hub to connect KL pax to Central American destinations an
86 UPPERDECKFAN : At least in the Americas, besides the netherland antilles and surinam where KL is the sole "major/legacy" european airline for obvious reasons, every
87 CityofAthens : Yes that's true, but I wasn't just referring to the Americas. IB indeed has a very impressive operation in Latin America, but then again, I don't thi
88 Viscount724 : You must be excluding North America from your definition of "the Americas". IB certainly doesn't serve all of KL's U.S. destinations and none of thei
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