Wjv04 From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 548 posts, RR: 5 Posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 28075 times:
Upon arrival in to YYC, the 767 was offloaded, then towed to a parking pad. Shortly after a police vehicle was seen covering up the registration on the aircraft. Rumors are flying around YYC that this aircraft has been repossesed.
It was destined for YVR, and ACA and WJA appear to be oversold on YYC-YVR.
Gmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2118 posts, RR: 30 Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 28072 times:
Why would the police be covering up the reg, if there was something wrong do you not thing think the airline would know or have it resolved before moving pax... oh wait Jetsgone screwed pax over the march break.... hmmmmm
ScrubbsYWG From France, joined Mar 2007, 1317 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 28055 times:
well, zoom's site shows that the flight from CDG/Calgary has not arrived in Vancouver, with no mention of a estimated arrival time. Scheduled arrival time would have been 1425, and it is now 1756 in VAN.
Fly2YYZ From Afghanistan, joined Jan 2006, 546 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 27583 times:
Quoting Pictues (Reply 7): True the plane was repossessed this from Zoom OPS, Mechanics and a pilot i talked to
So in otherwords you heard it from a friend of a friend who works in ops, who is a pilot?
Quoting Powercube (Reply 6): There's a Zoom plane here in YVR scheduled to go to CYYC before I depart, I shall try and update everyone with regards to what happens to it.
Apparently this has to do with financing, and with Zoom restructuring its financial investments to ensure future growth. Though if it weren't able to pay off ILFC and leasing aircraft, I'm not sure how positive this sounds.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3360 posts, RR: 19 Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 27527 times:
Were there pax in the terminal waiting for the outbound flight? That'd be an interesting explanation for the gate agent to give....
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
ScrubbsYWG From France, joined Mar 2007, 1317 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 27471 times:
there is a post on pprune, and i hate quoting other people's posts from another forum, but it also adds that their planes were 'almost denied access' to YYZ. Again, how true any of this is, who knows.
And if it is true that it was to do with finance restructuring, it seems a little extreme that restructuring would lead to repossessing a plane. Again, all speculation and rumors until something official comes out.
SafeFlyer From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 609 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 27172 times:
Ouch! Hopefully this ain't the end of operations from little Ottawa-based Zoom, our only "home" airline (even though they no longer operate most of their flights out of here), but reading the article, it doesn't look good at all!
ScrubbsYWG From France, joined Mar 2007, 1317 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 26978 times:
Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 15): I was @ YYC this afternoon, and watched a Zoom 767 take off sometime between 2:30 and 3:00PM... is it business as usual?
different plane. Sounds like it was only 1 plane that had its lease terminated. One can assume the rest of the fleet is operating normally, for now at least. However, with a fleet of only 5 planes, losing one is quite the problem.
Planenutz From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1198 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 26912 times:
There's still absolutely nothing posted on the Zoom website.
You would think that the company would wan't to immediately deter any concern about liquidiity or operations now that the repossession has hit the press. Since they're silent with regard to the whole episode, I fear the worst.
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 2772 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 26726 times:
Danny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3285 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 26569 times:
Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 16):
different plane. Sounds like it was only 1 plane that had its lease terminated. One can assume the rest of the fleet is operating normally, for now at least. However, with a fleet of only 5 planes, losing one is quite the problem.
It will be interesting to see if ILFC will follow Aercap and repossess their aircraft. That would mean the end of Zoom.
Quoting Planenutz (Reply 18): There's still absolutely nothing posted on the Zoom website.
You would think that the company would wan't to immediately deter any concern about liquidiity or operations now that the repossession has hit the press. Since they're silent with regard to the whole episode, I fear the worst.
Seems like Zoom might be zooming out of the sky sooner than later.
Alangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 1482 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 26411 times:
Is this likely to be bad for both Zoom and ZoomUK? Is ZoomUk a stand alone operation?
25 Babybus: Zoom have been getting a slating recently and they seem to have problems with their customer service care and staff attitude. It also didn't look good
26 Scouseflyer: I don't have any general load factor figures - I was just commenting on that specific flight.
27 Summa767: If Zoom Canada were to go under, would that automatically mean the end for Zoom UK, or could the latter survive motherless? It would be a great shame
28 Crosswind: The article was only referring to pax getting on at Calgary (69 people) Since the flight was a double pickup/double drop YVR-YYC-GLA-LGW, knowing how
29 Boeing74741R: I wouldn't have thought they would counteract an article made to the press about one of their aircraft being repossessed. Until they are well and tru
30 Fly2YYZ: The thing is the flight was not doing a double pick up, the flight that was coming into YYC was CDG-YYC-YVR, operated by Z4 with C-GZUM, and it would
31 Caaardiff: The CDG-YYC-YVR was apparently a charter according to this article: http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...533af8-bc2c-4cfa-8258-2f9696135003 Flight 3
32 Woodrow: If it was business as usual, I would think that Zoom would be scrambling to assist their valued customers in Calgary and Vancouver! If I was holding
33 ScrubbsYWG: i think this is the beginning of the end: http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news..._GlasgowCanada_flight_detained.php
34 AC888YOW: Another article from the Ottawa Business Journal: http://www.ottawabusinessjournal.com/292495764758571.php
35 ScrubbsYWG: another story: http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/...935936-3a4e-44f1-89fb-651a99921070
36 MattRB: A/C detained at GLA http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news..._GlasgowCanada_flight_detained.php
37 FCAFLYBOY: Oh dear, I really hope this won't be another causalty in the aviation business. If they do go, they will be missed for sure, a great little airline.
38 BA787: I second that. It would be a particular shame if the UK arm was dragged down too. The guy who heads it up over here seems really focused and committe
39 SeansasLCY: Zoom flights 'grounded over fees': http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7586083.stm "Flights between Glasgow and Canada have been disr
40 FCAFLYBOY: It seems that flights are still levaing as scheduled (although some are heavily delayed!) There are also "rumours" going around that they have filed f
41 ScrubbsYWG: Doesnt seem like rumor anymore: http://www.businesstravelworld.com/p...n=Archive/ArchiveID=7/EntryID=1085
42 Multimark: If you needed more proof that high oil prices will end the days of cheap air travel, here it is. Once this gets out to the wider public, Zoom will hav
43 Debonair: ...unbelievable! Another Canadian carrier gone! Air Club Intl, Canada 3000 Airlines, Canadian,HMY Airways, Jetsgo, Odyssey Intl, Roots Air, Royal Avia
44 Scouseflyer: Does anyone think that they're just going to dissapear or will someone take them over - mainly for their Gatwick slots I guess?
45 Thomsonfly: Missed this thread beforehand, but looks like it's the end afterall http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eral_aviation/read.main/4123959/#4
46 NEMA: Sorry if i missed it above but the Airline has now gone into administration. Here is a link to a BBC news article... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotla
47 BA787: Such a shame. Their employees were always so enthusiastic as well. Don't suppose there was enough room for both them and globespan, even if the latte
48 YVRLTN: My parents are on LGW - YVR tomorrow to see me. Nothing on their webiste yet, but their phone lines are permanetly engaged in both UK & Canada - that
49 NEMA: Yes this sort of aviation news is always a shame, not just for the punters but for the hard working and enthusiastic staff too. On looking at the Zoo
50 BWIA330: Some places such as Travel Industry Today are reporting that will go into bankruptcy proceedings today. Regards BWIA330
52 PlanebearYYZ: Hell O from Toronto Boy! by reading all the write ups it sure sounds like they are in financial trouble.... They only airline that seems to be fantast
53 Astral: The last message I received early this morning (6 am YVR time) from Ottawa, was that Zoom is seeking bankruptcy protection, and is under financial res
54 NEMA: Seems like the Zoom website has now been shut down. Ive just tried the UK site anyway and it has had all features and booking facilities removed but i
55 YWG747: RIP Zoom. I enjoyed watching your 767's landing over top of my baseball games!
56 Alasdair1982: Seems there is confusion at Glasgow as I write this. Reporter on the scene stated that he was surrounded by passengers who thought he might have infor
58 Multimark: Certainly the warning signs were there: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...&searchid=4032667&s=zoom#ID4032667 http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo
59 YVRLTN: Finally got through, but if you select the option to speak to someone, you get an automated reply saying their offices are closed, even though youre w
60 Sebring: According to some posts on another board, their Canadian website has stopped taking bookings.
61 CNZ3: "Teary-eyed employees seen leaving [Zoom's] Ottawa headquarters" http://www.canada.com/globaltv/national/story.html?id=c5935936-3a4e-44f1-89fb-651a999
62 Apollo13: Are they gone? I checked "wikipedia" (we all know how sourceful they are) and it said that the airline "was a scheduled airline" so im guessing they a
63 TheHangarCat: Zoom in Bankruptcy Protection... as reported by CBC News. http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/08/28/calgary-zoom.html
64 Thenoflyzone: Hey, maybe TS can buy off those 767s and 757s. They sure do need extra metal, considering they cooperate with Thomas Cook Airlines in summer for fligh
65 MAH4546: Unfortunate, but this is not a surprise at all. Zoom was destined to go bankrupt. It was only a matter of time in today's climate. Can we possibly get
66 ASMD11: Their website is now saying that Zoom has ceased operations and all their aircraft have been grounded as of 18:00 UTC.
67 Jamesontheroad: Sorry if I'm duplicating earlier posts; the British CAA (Civil Aviation Authority) has ordered the impounding of two planes currently at GLA and CWL f
68 YYZYYT: I have seen reports that employees are locked out; so much for the plan to keep flying while under protection... In fact the website now contains an a
69 BWIA330: The airline is officially gone. www.flyzoom.com for the article
70 VonRichtofen: It's official. And the UK Zoom is also affected. http://www.flyzoom.ca/
72 Manu: I flew Zoom when they first started. While being the underdog, it is sad to see them go. They really didn't display problems publicly until today. A
73 Multimark: Shameful how fast that happened. At least Harmony gave plenty of notice. I hope Air Canada recognizes the opportunity to garner some good PR (for once
74 RB211TriStar: I just got this automated message through iJet, a service we use at work for travel alerts: "Summary Zoom Airlines (Z4 and ZX) suspended all operation
75 SANFan: Very sad news, on many levels. We'll truly miss seeing Big Blue flying over Balboa Park, heading for Lindbergh. RIP, Zoom... bb
76 JAGflyer: The Big Blue 757s and 767s are going to the airport in the sky.
77 Irobertson: You know... I wonder if this recent expansion into the UK and USA was just a bit too much. They'd been hanging on fine in Canada for the last seven ye
78 VonRichtofen: I agree that Zoom was too quick to expand. Well, the "expensive" carriers are the ones that are still alive, and oversold. Maybe they're the ones "do
79 YVRLTN: Well, ex YVR for example, there are still Thomas Cook flying the Canadian Affair flights with TS, DE to FRA, LT to MUC, MP to AMS & Globespan. So you
80 Gofly: Hello chaps, Given the number of new threads popping up regarding Zoom suspending operations, I have changed the title of this thread to reflect the n
81 Virginblue4: I am very upset to see Zoom has gone. Thankfully i saw them at my last visit to LGW last week! Jordan
82 YULspotter: I saw a Zoom 763 depart YUL on 06R early this morning. Little did I know then that it will probably be the last time I would see a Zoom aircraft in op
83 Caaardiff: Anyone know if GoTravel has also ceased? This was the in house tour operator who used Zoom to the caribbean. Z4467 CWL-YVR was boarded ready to go for
84 Oneeleven111: G-CZNA left LGW this morning for BDA & FLL as UKZ17B, as planned. It took off from BDA, presumably for FLL about an hour ago - but looking at this on
85 Sebring: The trouble is, Air Canada doesn't fly several of the Zoom routes. From Glasgow, a stranded passenger would have to get to London before AC could hel
86 ScrubbsYWG: the notice on the website says BA and Virgin are going to be giving special fares to those affected.
87 Chinook747: Sunwing's primary operations are charter packages to Sun destinations and only offer seasonal domestic service in the summer to keep their aircraft m
88 ReidYYZ: HMY did not go bankrupt, they ceased ops, by choice. Dr. Ho (iirc) decided to just stop spending the money. He never screwed people (pax, airports, f
89 CFMTurboFan: http://www.flyzoom.com/ Here is the announcement on the Zoom site.
90 YWG747: And Winnipeg. They had two flights a week to LGW.
91 Spud757: BBC reporting ZOOM have suspended all ops and gone into administration: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7586654.stm Must be bad if a transatlantic
92 Multimark: Can a 7 year old business be classified as "fly-by-night"?
93 OA260: Sad day for Zoom. It was not totally un expected though. It had been hinted at a while back on here. I feel sorry for the stranded passengers. Especi
94 Manu: I agree, I think the airline was trying its best to survive and expand. Unfortunately the small business couldn't adapt to the rise in fuel costs. It
95 OA260: I think ''fly by night'' is a bit harsh . They were a decent airline from what I heard , just the fuel was not in their favor.
96 Irobertson: Not entirely true. You can board domestically out of Toronto to quite a few canadian cities during the winter months. They're definitely worth compar
97 GSPSPOT: Truly sad. I really like their business model, but apparently the market didn't. Hope all those affected get satisfactory accommodations, and to the e
98 YZFOO7F: Sad day for everyone involved. I worked for Zoom up until today at the Ottawa Airport. Prior to the articles in the paper a couple months ago hinting
99 ScrubbsYWG: I think he meant the names of the planes. They were named after cities in Canada, although there wasn't a plane named 'City of London' as far as i ca
100 Astral: I think I better tell those affected (I hate doing it again !) passengers that purchased Zoom tickets in Canada, about their 'Rights'. In Canada, the
101 Oneeleven111: The two UK aircraft are named after UK cities.. G-UKZM is City of London G-CZNA is City of Brighton & Hove (aircraft is ex-C-GZNA City of Toronto)
102 YZFOO7F: Actually, City of London was a UK registered 767 G-UKZM.
103 VonRichtofen: There's probably some benchmark figure that has to be reached before they take action. If it seemed obvious that Zoom wasn't going to pay, why let th
104 Ikramerica: No, not unless they were constantly changing their business product, destinations, etc.
105 Captain.MD-11: I saw a Zoom 767 in BFS today, departed in the early PM and looked very light as it rocketed off RWY 25. Did the Zoom flight to YVR depart BFS as norm
106 Astral: Thanks VonRichtofen. You do have good points, especially if PLH refuse to fuel the aircraft, then it was beyond help. Just bad luck for those passenge
107 Sandyb123: BBC news have just said that this is the forth trans-atlantic airline to be grounded this year. The only one I can think of is SilverJet? I saw a Zoo
108 Airlittoralguy: Both EOS and Maxjet have also been grounded this year.
109 BWIA330: Right now I can see the tour operatoar GG Tours having a really hard time trying to find aircraft to take over their charter flights to POS, GEO, KIN,
110 OA260: I hadnt thought of their charter ops. Will be very tough to replace those. No real info on the BIA website just this :: http://www.belfastairport.com
111 Jhooper: I pretty much just skimmed the thread, but isn't there a big difference between being impounded vs. being repossessed?
112 RamperYHZ: Apparently there is a Zoom aircraft at YHZ as well. Given that it was reported on the radio news at 15:30 local and it's Thursday, this would most lik
113 AwyrCymru: I think the flight operates YVR - BFS - CWL - BFS - YVR C-GZMM arrived at Cardiff , so you may have witnessed the BFS-CWL leg of OOM366
114 BFSBHD: Nope. Aircraft that was suppose to do this flight was grounded in Cardiff. Around 100 pax left stranded at BFS.
115 OA260: Where the loads really bad for Zoom ?. On the news tonight they gave figures for the amount of stranded passengers and they are not that high !!
116 ScrubbsYWG: i just read a couple stories that said AC and WJ will be giving reduced fares to stranded Zoom passengers.
117 A5XX: And don't forget Nationair... I still remember when they went belly up... I was stranded in ACA for 3 days, before Air Transat agreed to bring us hom
118 FlyKev: So long Zoom. Shame to see yet another (in my opinion) good airline collapse. Kev.
120 REALDEAL: does this mean there are likely to be some very low lease rates on some 752's & 763ER's ? Who would pick them up? Probably not a lot of airlines looki
121 Viscount724: or CP Air, Eastern Provincial, Transair, Ontario Worldair, Vistajet, Greyhound Air, Air Ontario, Air BC, Time Air, Air Atlantic, Inter-Canadien, Inta
122 Gmonney: Does this leave an opportunity for other Canadian airlines to pick up the gates left by Zoom? Or will the flights just be fuller on the other airlines
123 MileHighFlyer: What a sad story... Now the fuel crisis has claimed its first Canadian victim. 600 people out of a job and thousands of stranded passengers. Bottom li
124 REALDEAL: how old are Zoom's 767er's & what engines do they have ? There could be some limted demand for these at right price, in fact could be demand for the 7
125 Vasu: A poster earlier stated that Zoom had been around for seven years... is this really true?? I thought they'd only been around for a few years...
126 REALDEAL: think they started just after SEP11 or early 2002.
127 YVRLTN: All GE CF6, two 1993 & two 1995. AC might be interested to cover 787 delays... as for the 757's, FX would certainly be interested. If I hadnt checked
128 Kmh1956: According to the Dept. of Airport Operations website, Zoom flies IN to BDA today an dthen on to LGW...but it's been cancelled.
129 BA84: Average age is 14 years old. Two from Air France and two from KLM. BA84
130 DTWAGENT: Hi all. From what I have read and heard on the national news here in the US. Zoom Airlines is completely shut down. Nothing is moving or will be movin
131 YULspotter: A little tribute to Zoom using the photos I took while spotting over the past couple of years. Their aircraft had one of the best liveries around and
132 AAmd11: From what we were hearing in YOW with all the reporters around and the ground agents that were around briefly, the a/c had been boarded in YHZ for a
133 Rikkus67: glad I am out of the supply biz (Safety Cards)... jetsgo, Canjet & ZOOM were all former customers.
134 OA260: Apparantly 900 stranded and upto 40,000 affected.
136 Babybus: So where did it all go wrong? It seems unimaginable that an airline collapses during the summer while it has every possibility of earning enough to co
137 NEMA: Zoom is gone, all of it from both sides of the pond. Even full aircraft loads dont necessarily equal profits or at least substantial enough profits t
138 Kris: I'm always amazed as to how fast airlines and holiday firms go bang - other companies have 'closing down' sales, give their employees notice and gener
139 FraT: Not really surprising. They sold lots of those seats months ago and collected the money. And now people are booking and paying for the winter season
140 FlyKev: Indeed it was. My first bankrupt airline TR... Kev.
141 YYZYYT: Canjet also - advance notice and an offer of an immediate and complete refund. But to be fair, it seems that the brass had no idea that this was comi
142 Caaardiff: C-GZMM was impounded at CWL yesterday. -MM departed CWL for MIA this morning at 10.00Z
143 GCT64: My understanding is that: B767s C-GZMM, G-UKZM & G-CZNA are all at (or headed to) MIA. C-GZUM is at YYC C-GZNC is at YVR not sure where the 757s are.
144 AT: Their website asks them to refer to their credit card companies. May be that's the routine thing to do under such circumstances, but shouldn't the air
145 Andaman: A Zoom 767 was ment to carry Finnish tourists to Thailand next winter (HEL-HKT) for a Finnish tour operator, pity we won't see them at HEL
146 Ferengi80: A very sad day for aviation enthusiasts, Zoom was always a highlight for my spotting at MAN. Certainly one of the best liveries around, and made me pr
147 Manu: These days, it would be a challenge to buy a ticket on anything but a Credit Card. Any transaction on most of North America's credit cards can be dis
148 GCDEG: C-GTSN is still impounded at Glasgow with a snow plough parked behind it. Not sure where C-GTDX is. Does anyone know if the Air Finland 757 was affec
149 Manu: I guess it is that simple to "take" a Boeing away! Wow, never thought of it being so easy as to park something behind the plane. Sounds like one of t
150 MadChild: According to the information I have, TDX is in YYZ, TSN is in GLA, ZMM is in CWL, and ZUM is in YYC. Im not sure of the whereabouts of ZNC, ZNA, and Z
151 YVRLTN: My parents paid by debit, their bank will return their money.
152 Andaman: The 757 (OH-AFI) of Air Finland was planned to be still flying for Zoom and to be returned in September. I haven't heard if it returns home now or op
153 Boeingluvr: Does anyone think with the demise of Zoom that this will open up the market for another airline such as WS to start flying trans atlantic to the UK. I
154 YVRLTN: Theres certainly a market for routes ex CWL & BFS for example and load factors were good generally, but I think Canadian Affair (particularly TS) wil
155 DaBuzzard: There's probably some benchmark figure that has to be reached before they take action. If it seemed obvious that Zoom wasn't going to pay, why let th
156 BA84: Westjet considered buying Zoom to get into the Trans-Atlantic market, but declined. They'll stay out. Westjet have their niche, and are very good at i
157 Aad665: Hi, Very interesting development. if somebody is kind enough... 1. Do you have a break down of Lessors? 2. The name of company that did the repo? is i
158 Boeingluvr: No not small in one sense. But compared to WN or Easyjet they have quite a bit less capacity,fleet size, and routes, but that's for a reason I realiz
159 Robsawatsky: Once a company has filed for creditor protection their assets are essentially frozen until the legal process winds its way through the courts. Funds
160 KrisYYZ: Good news for AC, TS and BA, but tragic for all of Zooms former employees and customers. I've never flow on Zoom but I have had numerous friends who h
161 9252fly: I have a hard time understanding how Zoom could have been so poorly run financially? One of their downfalls was to sell so much of their capacity almo
162 GCT64: I believe the current disposition is: 767s ZMM - supposed to move to MIA - but didn't leave CWL ZUM - is in YYC ZNA - supposed to move to MIA - but d
163 REALDEAL: because there is no money !!! if there way they wouldn't have gone under. you make it sound so simple, but it's not. Since SEP11 when banks got burne
164 REALDEAL: many people buy their tickets 11 months ahead. We start selling fares for our busy Dec-Jan, in previous Jan as soon as flights are loaded in CRS. The
165 Burnsie28: thats a shame, I have a 1/400 scale model of this aircraft from Big Bird... shame.. wasn't this also their first aircraft.
166 LTBEWR: From a news article on MSNBC.COM, those that paid in cash or check are screwed. They gave an example of a youth (music?) group from Halifax that had a
167 Viscount724: I spotted the following dated August 27, their 2nd last day of operation, in the Transport Canada daily incident reports. (OOM is their ICAO code.) OO
168 Olympus69: Wrong, NZC 'City of Vancouver' is on the FedEx ramp at YYZ with a snow plough parked behind it to prevent it going anywhere, This happened yesterday
170 Babybus: Again showing, despite what's written here, that they were having serious problems trying to get loads. The owners of Zoom are good at selling their
171 Aad665: Hi, As a safety point of vue, it is not a great lost for the Canadian reputation. If you have access to the SAFA (Safety inspection) by EU (EASA) insp
172 HAWK21M: Are B757s part of their fleet too? regds MEL.
173 GCDEG: Yes they have (had) 2 757's C-GTDX and C-GTSN plus a leased one from Air Finland OH-AFI. GCDEG
174 REALDEAL: don't be so sure !!! When a big US major goes down & there are a few billion dollars in tickets out there that have bene paid for by credit card, do
175 YZFOO7F: Zoom employee. I happened to be out of town while this happened so thankfully I didn't have to deal with the turmoil at the airport. My colleagues te
176 RamperYHZ: This was the only reason the aircraft was even in Canada when Zoom went under. It arrived from at YHZ from LGW in the early afternoon on Wednesday. N
177 GCT64: If you look, I subsquently wrote: reflecting the fact that it had relocated from YVR to YYZ. To just write "Wrong" is incredibly rude, you should hav
178 AirNZ: Yes, I'm not surprised you have a hard time understanding as you certainly don't have much knowledge of the airline industry yet you choose to critic
179 VonRichtofen: If this had happened 2 years ago, most of the Zoom employee probably could have been hired by AC. Unfortunately times have changed. Not sure if WS is
180 LAXintl: You have no clue do you? Lets assume AA, DL or UA shut down tomorrow. Yes huge sums of money will be due back to consumers from the banks, however in
181 9252fly: I don't work in any airline's yield management units,what I can say though after speaking to a number of individuals in that role over the many years
183 Apollo13: Well another airline is gone. Its a shame really. How many has that been this year? I remember the period earlier when Aloha, ATA, Skybus, and others
185 HAWK21M: Where are the B757s headed. Which department? regds MEL
186 NEMA: Dont worry mate, your only adding a post to a forum of aviation enthusiasts who like a general chat about aviation. AirNZ constantly berate's members
187 LongHauler: Air Canada has publicly stated they will bring any Canadian home to Canada on an Air Canada flight that has room. Or, they will allow purchase at the
188 FCAFLYBOY: I won't link the source for obvious reasons, but I'd advise everyone to check the Zoom chat thread on pprune, makes VERY interesting reading. While t
189 SANMAN66: Hi SANFan. You said it true! I'm pretty disappointed about ZOOM as well. Mainly because I haven't been in town to see Big Blue period! I've been over
190 CanAvSpotter: I was on an Air Canada flight from YYC to YOW on Thursday Aug 28 and sitting next to me in Executive Class was a Zoom F/O. He managed to get a seat to
191 LAXintl: I dont think there was ever a doubt for that. Even BA proved that. Its simply a matter of if it could be done profitably. What Zoom again proved was
192 9252fly: AC and Zoom had a free reciprocal jumpseat policy (Longhauler could explain it better) for pilots only. AC has it in place with dozens of airlines,un
193 FCAFLYBOY: And what sort of a flight deck crew would even consider leaving their cabin crew behind, even if they are now "non-operational"?? I'm pretty sure if
194 9252fly: They are indeed,that's why I said it's unfortunate that the jumpseat policy has never included cabin crew. I have no way of knowing what,if anything
195 FCAFLYBOY: Fair point, I had hoped they would do too. My initial post regarding this, however, is that they had actually refused to accept the entire crew, even
196 9252fly: Now that hurts! Talk about adding insult to injury. I can definitely understand why you feel the way you do.
197 FCAFLYBOY: Thanks for your polite consideration. Although to be honest, whether Zoom go under or not is of very little impact to me, it's not ME that works for
198 OA260: Thats a bit bad if it happened. You would think that if there were plenty of seats they could have done something for them .
199 FCAFLYBOY: Just to add, I've had a PM from another a.netter who states they know for sure that all Z4/ZX crew were paid as normal, and on time. I wouldn't like t
200 SANFan: Before anything else is said SANMAN', I want to thank you for your service and wish you a speedy and safe return home! I'm glad to see someone else f
201 Robsawatsky: While it would be courteous, why should AC be expected to carry any Zoom flight crew, cabin crew or passengers for anything other than the lowest avai
202 LongHauler: Yes, you have to chuckle sometimes. Zoom strands its passengers and its crewmembers overseas ... yet somehow its Air Canada's fault they can't get ho
203 LongHauler: I know that there is nothing like fact to ruin a good urban legend, but I had to check the loads on both of AC's YVR-LHR daily flights, and since Aug
204 REALDEAL: majority of airfares sold by agents these days are nett fares not published. A nett fare is a fare available to agents, where they decide the markup.
205 FCAFLYBOY: If you had read my earlier post, I was certainly not AC bashing nor implying that AC is under any sort of obligation to bring them home, it's just us
206 Jamincan: I'm not quite clear what Air Canada has done wrong here. It certainly sounds like they are making an effort to accommodate Zoom crew. It sounds like m
207 9252fly: It's very unfortunate that Zoom was not an IATA carrier ( most low cost carriers choose not to be due to cost amongst other reasons ),as their employe
208 FCAFLYBOY: This is what I have been referring to all along, I couldn't really care less how full the flights are now, they weren't full when the help was needed
209 LAXintl: The insurance companies insure the banks and credit card issuers limiting their overall potential payout liability -- regardless if its an airline or
210 AC_B777: As Longhauler pointer out in a previous reply, there are no empty seats from LHR to YVR or YHZ, YOW, YUL, YYZ, YYC, YEG either on AC for at least the
211 Gofly: Given that this thread has now hit over 200 replies, I've decided to lock it; this is primarily to help people with slower internet connections. The f
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