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Ryanair Flight Forced To Divert After Soup Spill.  
User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 10333 times:

Is this now just going just a little bit too far by the Media???

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7585234.stm


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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 10316 times:



Quoting Cumulus (Thread starter):
Is this now just going just a little bit too far by the Media???

Slow news day maybe.

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 10283 times:
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Quoting Cumulus (Thread starter):
Is this now just going just a little bit too far by the Media???

Why? It's a pretty unusual event. When did you last hear of a plane having to divert because some kind of mushroom juice dripped on someone?



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 10226 times:

Yes, but ultimately it is only a medical diversion - hardly uncommon, and not usually note-worthy.


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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 10157 times:



Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 3):
Yes, but ultimately it is only a medical diversion - hardly uncommon, and not usually note-worthy.

Exactly, the whole industry is struggling as it is. Doesn't need this kind of reporting to make it even tighter. Let alone some soup falling on some bloke and he reacts to it.

In The Sun yesterday re the decompression on the FR 738 the other day headlined with "Jet Plummets 20,000ft". What a load rubbish.

The crew would have a initiated a decent to bring the aircraft under 10,000ft fairly quickly to enable sustainability without Cabin Pressure, yet they imply the thing went into a 90 degree nosedive with bodies being thrown all over the place.



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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10113 times:



Quoting Cumulus (Reply 4):
In The Sun yesterday re the decompression on the FR 738 the other day headlined with "Jet Plummets 20,000ft". What a load rubbish.

The media don't understand that one is that it didn't decent any quicker (ft/minute) than it climbed.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10107 times:
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Quoting Cumulus (Reply 4):
Exactly, the whole industry is struggling as it is. Doesn't need this kind of reporting to make it even tighter. Let alone some soup falling on some bloke and he reacts to it.

Sorry, but I really don't see the problem. The article is not really negative and nobody gets slated for what happened. Yes it was just a medical diversion, but it was reported because of the quirky and unusual reason for it. How exactly does this add to the 'struggle' airlines are facing?



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10075 times:

What I find awkward by a respectable news feed like BBC is that their focus is on a soup spill (come on, it's soup!) instead of "On the same day, another Ryanair flight had to make an unscheduled landing in France after losing cabin pressure.", something that could be more dangerous or more newsworthy at least than the soup terrorist.

regards  Smile



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10038 times:
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Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 7):
something that could be more dangerous or more newsworthy at least than the soup terrorist.

They reported that story fully when it happened.



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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10038 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
Sorry, but I really don't see the problem.

The problem is it's scaremongering. The majority of pax have minimal knowledge of aviation and all they would understand is there was a problem be it Soup, Engine Failure anything. This unerves people, especially since the advent of the terrible incident with Spanair.

It is not newsworthy, how many Medical Diversions happen in the course of a week? Loads, and none get reported.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9159 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10029 times:

One could say that accidents and incidents reported by the media are mushrooming recently.

That guy must have a bad mushroom alergy, otherwise the probloem could have been solved by asking the passengers sitting behind him to hold a cup over the guys head.

 Smile

On the more serious side . IIRC aren't liquids over 100ml verboten to take inside the carry on?

looks like we have a serious security problem with Ryanair here and the media is snoozing over a simple flight diversion message.



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10000 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 8):
They reported that story fully when it happened

Did not know that, thanks  Smile

but still, the fact that they relate the soup diversion with a real incident is an attempt to mislead the reader IMO.

regards  Smile



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9969 times:

The media need to Interview Experts in the field & then publish their views.
the problem is then the news won't be so sensational anymore  Smile
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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9950 times:

Quoting Cumulus (Reply 9):
It is not newsworthy, how many Medical Diversions happen in the course of a week? Loads, and none get reported.

With all due respect, what is newsworthy is in the eye of the media and not what you may consider it either to be or not to be. Yes, medical diversions happen frequently but yet, interestingly enough, as soon as it happens on a couple of A380's certain factions of a.net here perpurtrate lengthy threads and various implications......the same ones who think themselves experts in aviation.
We may not always like, or accept, what's reported but they are a fact of life.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 7):
What I find awkward by a respectable news feed like BBC is that their focus is on a soup spill (come on, it's soup!) instead of "On the same day, another Ryanair flight had to make an unscheduled landing in France after losing cabin pressure.", something that could be more dangerous or more newsworthy at least than the soup terrorist.

Can you explain to me how you find the BBC "awkward" yet introduce the word terrorist into an incident where a person had a severe allergic reaction to mushroom soup.
And people talk on this thread about scaremongering and over-reaction by the media!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited 2008-08-28 04:09:11]

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9879 times:
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Quoting Cumulus (Reply 9):
The problem is it's scaremongering. The majority of pax have minimal knowledge of aviation and all they would understand is there was a problem be it Soup, Engine Failure anything

Sorry, that is nonsense and I do not buy it for one second. I'm the last one to defend the media when they write ill-informed, scaremongering aviation-related articles as they so often do, but the whole point of this article was the fact that mushroom soup was the apparent cause. The article opens thus:

"A Ryanair plane was forced to land in Germany after a passenger had an allergic reaction to mushroom soup.

The soup leaked onto the man from a jar in an overhead locker on a flight from Budapest to Dublin on Monday, the airline said."

Unless you happen to have a severe phobia of mushrooms, there is no way that this could reasonably be described as scaremongering. Banal? Probably. Unnecessary? Probably. Silly? Definitely. Scaremongering? No way.



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9621 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 13):
Can you explain to me how you find the BBC "awkward" yet introduce the word terrorist into an incident where a person had a severe allergic reaction to mushroom soup.

Sorry but people have severe allergies and suffer domestic incidents/accidents every day everywhere around the globe, yet I don't see every day on BBC or any other media talking about every single incident. So why was this reported at all? It is a minor incident hardly even aviation related. And the fact that they mention a rather more important incident like loss of cabin pressure in the same article proves to me that the only purpose of the report is to blow out of proportion a non-event for everyone but the poor guy who suffered this. This is just a medicalk diversion, one of the many that happen constantly.

regards  Smile



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9509 times:

I thought the guy had been burnt by the soup or something from buy on board, putting Ryanair's liability at risk. This is also serious as it seems it is somebody else's soup that spilled and forced the aircraft to land, wonder if Ryanair will seek compensation from the culprit. And if that soup caused such reaction due to the composition (what mushrooms are we talking about?), the victim could also seek justice.

I'm even wondering how come the liquid was allowed on the plane with all the bans in place!



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9441 times:
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Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 15):
Sorry but people have severe allergies and suffer domestic incidents/accidents every day everywhere around the globe, yet I don't see every day on BBC or any other media talking about every single incident. So why was this reported at all?

Indeed they do, but when do you suppose the last time a plane had to divert because mushroom soup dripped on someone was?

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 15):
It is a minor incident hardly even aviation related.

Yes, it is a minor incident. However, it is also a piece of light relief amongst more serious news items. News sites don't just have to carry stories about who happens to be killing who, and just because they do carry other stories does not mean they are not reporting the important stuff. Doom and gloom stories and lighter, less important news items are not mutualy exclusive; it's not a choice between one or the other. The fact that it doesn't have much bearing on aviation as such is not really relevant, as the article doesn't really try and play that up other than making short reference to other recent aviation incidents.

What exactly is the problem? If the item carried the headline "allergy incident sparks new fears over air safety" then it would be a different matter, but it doesn't do anything of the sort.



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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1844 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9042 times:
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As stupid as it sounds, it is still an medical emergency. However I wonder what mushroom soup does in a FR plane in the first place. And for the media... it's either sensation, or as we Dutch call it; Komkommertijd, which means there's nothing interesting to report.


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User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8762 times:
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The sub-title alone sounds hilarious:

Quote:
A Ryanair plane was forced to land in Germany after a passenger had an allergic reaction to mushroom soup.

 rotfl 

Now, no offense to the man or woman nor their family... but come on. So the guy broke out, and the flight had to make a PAX-Medical related emergency. Not the most "Need To Know Right Now" kind of news. Further more, I find it silly that they talk about other incidents as if flying is some death wish from hell. Please.

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User currently offlineSashA From Russia, joined May 1999, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

Whatta coincedence - a jar of soup leaks from overhead locker (not the sort of thing to happen everyday itself) and it happens to be above a person who is allergic to it! I say it's a hell of a coincedence and alone probably worth a mention in the news to stir the soup of the overall negative stuff that is being reported with all this military conflicts, natural disasters etc.... the news editor probably signed to release this just for the purpose of filling the content.

However, what caused the jar to leak? Was it severe turbulence shake? Why would you commute with a jar of smth that surely is effortlessly available anywhere Ryanair flies anyway? Was it soup or smth else more contaminous disguised as soup? These are the questions that spring up when reading such news.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7390 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6275 times:



Quoting Cumulus (Reply 9):
It is not newsworthy, how many Medical Diversions happen in the course of a week?



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 15):
Sorry but people have severe allergies and suffer domestic incidents/accidents every day everywhere around the globe, yet I don't see every day on BBC or any other media talking about every single incident.

Please note:

1. It is the silly season. The Georges (Bush and Brown) are on holiday. So if it moves, report it. And if it doesn't move, call it dead and report it.

2. It was not like most Medical Emergencies involving the likes of a life threatening heart attack. It was a guy who had a severe allergic reaction to mushroom soup that dripped onto him. If this had happened anywhere else apart from the guy's kitchen it would (in the silly season) still have been newsworthy.

3. The combination of dripping mushroom soup at a height of around 30,000 feet onto a guy with an allergic reaction to mushroom soup . . . Well I feel sorry for the guy but I still cannot quite suppress my smile. And its a lot better than having to read about, in alphabetical order, Afghanistan, Credit Crunch, Darfur, Georgia, House Prices, Inflation, Iraq, Recession and Zimbabwe all the time with no light relief in between them.

Well done the BBC!


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7390 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6254 times:

Sorry. I forgot one more thing:

4. Congratulations to FR for not charging the passenger for the soup. Some may think they are slipping and missed an opportunity but . . .


User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6256 times:

Sounds like RyanAir is taking over from Qantas in the bad media coverage dept. So anything that happens will be reported until someone/thing else becomes more interesting.

User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2003 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5525 times:

I hope they gave the passenger plenty of anti-fungal cream after the mushroom incident. Pretty certain they never worked where I do or they would have died of anaphylactic shock long ago. Every soup in the canteen used to have mushrooms in it and they never warned us - chicken and corn (and mushroom), potato and leek (and mushroom), thai chicken (and mushroom).

Mushrooms, tinea, what's the difference?  Smile



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25 RussianJet : Please explain how exactly this piece portays Ryanair in a bad light. And I do mean specifically this piece, not just the fact that they are in the n
26 Tappan : I see nothing improper here. The media did it's job. Mark Garfinkel p.s It's a good thing it wasn't El Al airlines, because maybe it would have been m
27 Cumulus : Because it is not newsworthy for the second time, and more's the point not necessary in a delicate market place and not conducive to the welfare of t
28 RussianJet : Whatever, it is still not 'scaremongering' as you earlier labelled it - it is reporting a diversion for what was perceived to be for a strange reason
29 PanHAM : Whjy does nobody realize that someone managed to get a jar with liquids with obviously more than 100 ml on board of an aircraft. This may not be FR's
30 BrightCedars : You're welcome!
31 Pihero : I can't believe I have to defend RyanAir twice in a single week ! I understand that for the majority of you, this is quite funny, soup. allergy and al
32 EZEIZA : A fair point. Obviously a hdramatic headline would have been much, much worse. Here the thing that bothers me is the fact that out of nowhere they re
33 RussianJet : I don't think anyone questioned the necessity to divert or the seriousness of the medical condition. Please correct me if I'm wrong by quoting the of
34 Pihero : Really ? Some posters make fun of the allergy and its origin. Some go after the journos I am the first to even suggest that the diversion was a matte
35 EZEIZA : I agree, it's not funny, but since it turned out ok, I think a little bit of humour is not too bad I still think the report was misleading though! re
36 HowSwedeitis : Pihero, we all understand that this was serious. My major complaint is that instead of simple reporting, alot (if not the majority) of media report o
37 Pihero : Hello, I have travelled enough in Europe to know that the fluid ban is not a general application. Far from it, apart from UK and Israel. Which I've n
38 ADRIANGALT : No Frills all Spills Airline!!!
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