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NYtimes Article About Qantas' A380 Interior  
User currently offlineGQ From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15261 times:

Good read... despite the abysmal color scheme in economy this is still going to be one sleek plane based on what is seen and described!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/garden/28plane.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


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User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2059 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14865 times:

Thanks for the link! The article is far more informative about the Qantas A380 interior than any I have read in the mainstream press in Australia and gives out a number of details not mentioned in the Qantas presentation.


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User currently offlineQantasistheway From Australia, joined May 2008, 309 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14856 times:

It is a good article, and finally some form of media that is actually going in depth, rather than just looking at the colours and complaining. Can't wait for it to do SYD/MEL-LHR, certainly will be on that one.

User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14826 times:

"Qantas spurned such showstopping features in favor of a sprucely futuristic style."

"Mr. Newson chose a sober version of the retro-futurist style he developed in the early 1990s, which has since become the default for fashionable bars. The shapes in the A380 are gentler, and the colors calmer: beige for first class and earthy shades of red, orange and green for the rest, accented by a honeycomb mesh pattern on the carpets and seat backs."

"Mr. Newson has tried to distinguish Qantas’s superjumbo with intelligent detailing derived from the old-fashioned design process"

Source: New York Times


Despite the harsh and overwhelmingly one-sided reaction here on Airliners.net and various other airline and non-airline fourms on the internet, I for one am actually looking forward to the Qantas A380.

I am confident that I will be "bowled over" by products in all four classes which are the "best in the sky".



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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5085 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14708 times:

I'm surprise Qantas decided to keep the appalling colours of the new A380 cabins!


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8344 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14685 times:
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The new Qantas A380 hasn't generated the excitement Singapore & Emirates have. Qantas had a great opportunity to do something they haven't done since the 747 entered service in 1971. The difference between the QF 744 and QF A380 is just teh whale jet is a bigger version of similar seats.

User currently offlineFlyboysp From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14631 times:

Good catch on the article. Thanks for the link.. I must admit that i was harsh in criticising QF when the interiors were unveiled., but i'm quite liking the green in economy. The stairway to the upper deck looks fairly stylish.


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User currently offlineQantasistheway From Australia, joined May 2008, 309 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14334 times:

I will be flying the SQ A380 from LHR to SIN and then on to SYD. I'm looking forward to it but i dont understand how everyone can hate the Qantas A380 so much.

Quoting JAL (Reply 4):
I'm surprise Qantas decided to keep the appalling colours of the new A380 cabins!

Then don't fly them if you don't like the colour scheme, however I would find it a bit idssapointing if you didnt fly QF because they have a single section of economy with a colour that you don't like.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
The new Qantas A380 hasn't generated the excitement Singapore & Emirates have. Qantas had a great opportunity to do something they haven't done since the 747 entered service in 1971. The difference between the QF 744 and QF A380 is just teh whale jet is a bigger version of similar seats.

Not neccesarily, SQ had released their new J product in the 777-300 ER, only widening the seats. Economy was the same as 77-300 ER also. Sutes were brand new and distinguished the two planes. Emirates have basically introduced new features or steas in all classes, the wow factor being the shower suite. QF will have improved their J seats, introduced new Y seats, with the snack galleybeing a nice touch. F is actually well set out, yes it's no suite but I like it a lot. From a design perspective and form the photos I have seen so far, I prefer the QF A380 to all other. It may not have the same features such as suites however the increased legroom for the majority of the plane is certainly nice. EK has a style which I do not like at all - get rid of the wooden panelling, its like trying to make evrything look like the interior of a Bentley. SQ is fine in my opinin and I feel gives the most comfort to passengers in its premium classes.

Quoting Flyboysp (Reply 6):
The stairway to the upper deck looks fairly stylish.

I love it too!

Cheers


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30921 posts, RR: 87
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14298 times:
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Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Reply 3):
Despite the harsh and overwhelmingly one-sided reaction here on Airliners.net and various other airline and non-airline forums on the internet, I for one am actually looking forward to the Qantas A380.

I am confident that I will be "bowled over" by products in all four classes which are the "best in the sky".

If I flew QF in a premium cabin on a regular basis, I admit I too would be happy since it is better then what QF offers now in their premium cabins. Just as I am looking forward to the new UA First Suite on my SEA-NRT-SEA slogs, even though I prefer NH's product on the LAX-NRT-LAX run.

But for me, we were constantly told by Airbus, Airbus supporters and the airlines that the A380-800 was really going to wow us with what was possible because there was so much extra space. Instead, the airlines just used that extra space for extra seats.  Sad

SQ came closest to the hype with the Suites Class, but I don't recall seeing that bar shown in the Times article last time I was aboard 9V-SKBBig grin

To EK's credit, they did add the bar.  Silly And a shower (which I can only spend a few minutes in). Yet they kept the same suite I can find on their A345, 77L or 77W.


User currently offlineBochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14286 times:

This looks much nicer!
A very retro interior.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14205 times:

I don´t know why so many people think the QF A380 interior is ugly while many praise Emirates. The toilets look nice, you can see there is a lot more designers thought in its visual appearance than I´ve ever seen in a "normal" airplane. The only aspect I dislike at QF is the somewhat unhealthy looking green colour in eco. The basic design of the seats is nice though. They look better than the Emirates Eco seats. I am disappointed by the Emirates A380 interior in general, the 1st looks tacky with all those brass fittings, and the biz seats appear as if you´re locked in a capsule hotel.

Btw I just bought a QF A380 model today. I think the Qantas scheme looks much better on an A380 than the somewhat dated design of SQ.

[Edited 2008-08-28 11:50:19]

[Edited 2008-08-28 11:51:26]

User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13413 times:

Nice article for the "Lawn and Garden" section of the times.  checkeredflag 


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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3030 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13415 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
But for me, we were constantly told by Airbus, Airbus supporters and the airlines that the A380-800 was really going to wow us with what was possible because there was so much extra space. Instead, the airlines just used that extra space for extra seats.

If you look at the article they are saying that the A380 has 49% more cabin space than the 747 but QF has only fitted it with an additional 38 seats. So the extra space has been essentially used to give F pax 6.5 inches more width in their seats and Business pax an additional 20 inches in their seats. In other words those who are willing to pay more now get even more.

At least the economy pax have their own self service bar on the main deck so they can grab a bite whenever they want to. That'll certainly make UAL's service redundant over the Pacific if they introduce buy on board.

I think QF have done a decent job with fitting out their A380. Sure it doesn't have suites for First Pax and it doesn't have a shower but it will be alot more comfortable than their current 744's and will be a stepping stone forward. Now bring on the 787's and lets see what they have in store for us there.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8344 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13230 times:
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Quoting Qantasistheway (Reply 7):
Not neccesarily, SQ had released their new J product in the 777-300 ER, only widening the seats. Economy was the same as 77-300 ER also. Sutes were brand new and distinguished the two planes. Emirates have basically introduced new features or steas in all classes, the wow factor being the shower suite. QF will have improved their J seats, introduced new Y seats, with the snack galleybeing a nice touch. F is actually well set out, yes it's no suite but I like it a lot. From a design perspective and form the photos I have seen so far, I prefer the QF A380 to all other. It may not have the same features such as suites however the increased legroom for the majority of the plane is certainly nice. EK has a style which I do not like at all - get rid of the wooden panelling, its like trying to make evrything look like the interior of a Bentley. SQ is fine in my opinin and I feel gives the most comfort to passengers in its premium classes.

Showers are a statement an oil rich emirate can make. Suites area great use of space for the ulitmate airplane. Singapore's Biz seats were revealed on the 777-300ER because the A380 was late but it makes a bigger statement on the A380'super deck. Given Qantas's Sydney base is invaded by Singapore and Cathay many times daily, Qantas needs to make a big splash, it should have Virgin, Air Canada, Delta style Business seats.


User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2455 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13211 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
the A380-800 was really going to wow us with what was possible because there was so much extra space. Instead, the airlines just used that extra space for extra seats

Well, the linked article mentioned a whopping 9% extra seats over the 744 [450 vs 412], while having 49 percent more space according to the same article. That is a lot of extra real estate per "average" seat. Most off course will be spent in premium classes, but there should be at least some wow for extra space raher than extra seats . . . me thinks.

Not sure though how acurate those numbers are, perhaps Qantas operates more than one configuration on the 744?

Regards,
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User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13164 times:

I think the key to the "green" is seeing it in small doses. Like your seat and seat row. When you see an entire "sea of green" it looks dull and overwhelming. Looking at the pic in the article the seat row looks fairly nice. Normally you will experience it with people in their seats and it won't (I hope) look bad. I do agree that when I saw the first pics of their interior here I thought it looked terrible.

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User currently offlineQantasistheway From Australia, joined May 2008, 309 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13165 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 13):
Showers are a statement an oil rich emirate can make. Suites area great use of space for the ulitmate airplane. Singapore's Biz seats were revealed on the 777-300ER because the A380 was late but it makes a bigger statement on the A380'super deck. Given Qantas's Sydney base is invaded by Singapore and Cathay many times daily, Qantas needs to make a big splash, it should have Virgin, Air Canada, Delta style Business seats.

Yes showers may appeal to the oil rich emirate, however a lot may find it too over the top or decadent and may not appeal to all, especially the controlled time. Also I think it was good idea to keep the original Skybed design and improving as it is a trademark Qantas product and is at least consisent in all aspects rather than having different measurements of legroom as is on the EK A380. Hopefully QF doesn't start to become anything like DL- that would be horrible. A lot of epople prefer a windown view that doesn't mean having to turn your head to an uncomfortable position, not that the seats aren't good or anything.


User currently offlineJupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 894 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12888 times:

QF have several configs for the 744 fleet, however the best to compare to the 380 with is the current 4 class aircraft which have a total of 353 seats compared to the 440 on the 380.

That is an increase of 87 seats, or approx 24 %, mostly in Businees and economy.

RL


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26954 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 days ago) and read 12727 times:

Very interesting article and the most in depth I have seen so far. I like the ideas and thought but I still hate the green. It just does not look right let alone sitting in that cabin for hours on end. I would have to request non green seating LOL...

The bathrooms look sleek and the Kangaroo logo at the top of the stairs is cool. Is it me or does the photo make the staircase smaller than it really is ??

I have to say the Qantas Livery looks fab on the A380.


User currently offlineJkj777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 days ago) and read 12708 times:

It still sucks.......I just hate the coloring and design. Regardless of how good the seats feel, the aesthetic appearance of the cabin is poor. What is that line.......image is everything.....

User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12300 times:

Simple, stylish, elegant.

The green seats looks much more muted in the article photo as opposed to the way over exposed one we had originally we made it look like the cabin was lit with a thousand lightbulbs.

None of the airlines should go with any features that will get old fast, ie fads. The Emirates shower is nice, but it is just another thing that can go wrong, or cause an unpleasant trip (no water, run out of water) plus it adds weight and use more fuel with potentially fewer pax on board to pay for it.

The SQ suite is nice and all. But QF may just have the edge. Basically their F & J class product on the A380 will be in effect the same as offered on the 744s. The article states that QF will charge the same price for the flight regardless of which aircraft you are on, so if you are scheduled on an A380 and need to go on a 744 due to a tech issue you get the same product. Fly on SQ and have a suite booked on an A380 and end up on a 744 or 777 and get a regular first class setup and SQ needs to look at partial refunds, extra FF rewards and all that to compensate.

Just because you can offer something doesn't mean you should offer it. A consistant experience on all aircraft makes things better all around.


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3900 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12280 times:

For me, reading this article makes me warm to the interior a bit more...

Love the sound of those F seats with a regular IFE screen AND an Airshow one!


User currently offlineGQ From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12146 times:

This quote from the article sums it up best:

"Yet the design language of the Qantas A380 is defined less by what the passengers see than by how they feel"

I can appreciate this alternative approach to their design because at the end of the day you can't please everyone all of the time



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User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12066 times:



Quoting Qantasistheway (Reply 7):
Not neccesarily, SQ had released their new J product in the 777-300 ER, only widening the seats. Economy was the same as 77-300 ER also. Sutes were brand new and distinguished the two planes. Emirates have basically introduced new features or steas in all classes, the wow factor being the shower suite. QF will have improved their J seats, introduced new Y seats, with the snack galleybeing a nice touch. F is actually well set out, yes it's no suite but I like it a lot. From a design perspective and form the photos I have seen so far, I prefer the QF A380 to all other. It may not have the same features such as suites however the increased legroom for the majority of the plane is certainly nice. EK has a style which I do not like at all - get rid of the wooden panelling, its like trying to make evrything look like the interior of a Bentley. SQ is fine in my opinin and I feel gives the most comfort to passengers in its premium classes.

The A380 was originally due to EIS with SQ in Q4 2006 which was the same time the 77W joined SQ's ranks. The new R/F/J/Y seats were all meant to be unveiled at the same time but the A380's EIS got delayed to Q4 2007.

Quoting PW100 (Reply 14):
Well, the linked article mentioned a whopping 9% extra seats over the 744 [450 vs 412], while having 49 percent more space according to the same article. That is a lot of extra real estate per "average" seat. Most off course will be spent in premium classes, but there should be at least some wow for extra space raher than extra seats . . . me thinks.

Not sure though how acurate those numbers are, perhaps Qantas operates more than one configuration on the 744?

The 412 config 744s are 2-Class aircraft 56J/356Y.

A more accurate number will be 353 in a 4-Class config. So that makes it 87 more seats.


User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8887 times:
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Now thats the way to fly! I'm gonna save up so I can go back to Sydney just to fly on the A380 in Business!
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25 Post contains images AlanUK : WOW! That's cool. Why can't airlines do this with the current 747 stairs? :P
26 PW100 : Thanks! That makes more sense. However 49% more space vs 25% more seats. Still a little wow there . . . at least in premium cabins. Regards, PW100
27 Bjwonline : Great! I'm glad to hear about the extra legroom in econ. I booked my ticket today SYD-LAX return for next year and I'm so excited to fly this bird!!!!
28 Stitch : That is true now, but within a half-decade or so there will be no more 744s in SQ's fleet so you're pretty much going to be guaranteed an A380 on an
29 Airnewzealand : Again, it is actually more than an inch legroom (in Economy) due to the curves at the bottom of the chair, this becomes apparent more when the chair i
30 Jariarkko : Now, I understand the suites and showers, but a lawn and garden is a bit over the top
31 Intermodal64 : I like it. It feels more like a Starbucks or something. Sure beats "follow-the-crowd" blue that most airlines have been using for the past 15 or 20 y
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