Ecb747 From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6673 times:
So no new orders, but nice to get some of the UOs identified. They already have 5 772's so these new 77W's will fit nicely in their fleet.
Are the purchased aircrafts being delivered with the 4 in 2010, the 2 in 2011 or the 2 in 2012?
MSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6281 times:
That is in addition to The 6 firm GECAS B77W that will arrive in 2010 and 2011 plus 2 options earmarked for 2012 .
So that is a total of 8 firm B77W and 4 options .
In 2009 , the Airline will receive the 5 remaining B738 out of the 12 ordered plus 6 E-170 .
There is also a direct order to buy 5 A330 : 2 to arrive in 2011 and 3 in 2012 plus 3 options for 2013 . That is in addition to 3 A330 lease order for 2011 delivery .
I don't like the logotype or size of the airline's name, but the tail and the forward fuselage graphic look awesome.
Hopefully over time those graphics will come to define their brand identity as the tulip does for UA or the Condor for LH or the SilverKris logo for SQ and they can scale down the logotype. Then again, SQ actually made their logotype bigger for the 77W and A388.
MSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2814 times:
Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 7): Hopefully these new A/C will have next generation seats (PTV's in Y, flat seats in J and F), unlike their current longhaul fleet.
There will not be F class on the newer planes . And the article mentioned that EgyptAir's new business class seating planned for the 777-300ER includes 49 full lie-flat beds with a 78-inch seat pitch , but no mention of PTV's in Y .
BWilliams From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2653 times:
Quoting BA787 (Reply 9): any idea where these new a/c will be used?
JFK-CAI and LHR-CAI, definately. Possibly FRA-CIA if they're planning to take over the flights on their own metal, since MS only flies one daily flight to FRA, but has 2-3 more on codeshare with LH.
Would the market be there to expand JFK-CAI to 2x daily? When I flew this route back in March, the loads were 100% in both directions, so I'm wondering if there's demand enough to get another plane in the air.
HECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2497 times:
Quoting BWilliams (Reply 11): JFK-CAI and LHR-CAI, definately. Possibly FRA-CIA if they're planning to take over the flights on their own metal, since MS only flies one daily flight to FRA, but has 2-3 more on codeshare with LH.
The 77W is intended to replace the current 772ER aircraft so it will fly on the current 772ER flights as well as flights that need to be expanded. But who knows how the world will look like in 2010 when the first ones start to arrive..
KL, LH, LX, BA, AF, UX, TP, AZ, HV, SK, IB, WX, UA, AA, US, DL, AC, LA, MS, 4D, ZA, RJ, CX, JL, SQ, MH, MU, CA, KA, GA,
Qazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2032 times:
I believe Egyptair has stated that it will embark on a huge expansion plan of their current network. As a new member of the Star Alliance, it would be interesting to see what new destinations will be launched.
In my opinion, there are a number of cities that can be launched (presently not served by MS) that would justify the new aircraft order:
- Shanghai (codeshare with Air China andor Shanghai Airlines)
- Seoul (codeshare with Asiana)
- Hong Kong
- Singapore (re-introduction of services and codeshare with SQ)
Egyptair has also stated its intentions to open the following stations:
- Houston (assuming now with CO entering the Star Alliance)
The existing B772s can be dispatched on the newly launched routes as the B773s are used as an increase to existing services. JFK, NRT, LHR, DEL, BKK, YUL can all justify the B773 service. Allthough Egyptair only serves Montreal twice weekly during the flight is always full. Even new additions to the network such as HKG, Chicago, and Singapore would be abe to justify the B773 service.
CaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1923 times:
MS has been using their 772 up to the max. they operates the following cities:
JFK - LHR - BKK - NRT in regular bases and sometimes in shorter flights depends on the load.
As Sobhi mentioned, the B772 is favorable among the Flight Crew(pilots and FA) and among management due to high capacity of the aircraft in both PAX and Cargo.
Quoting BWilliams (Reply 11): Would the market be there to expand JFK-CAI to 2x daily? When I flew this route back in March, the loads were 100% in both directions, so I'm wondering if there's demand enough to get another plane in the air.
For the past year EgyptAir was trying to add a second flight, the negotiation was to start HBE - JFK but for some reason it didn't work, now they trying to start the second flight with the opening of the new terminal in CAI by the end of this year.
and to answer your question yes they load are extremely high on both flight inbound and outbound, you can hardly find a seat if you didn't book at least few weeks in advance.
Quoting HECA (Reply 12): The 77W is intended to replace the current 772ER aircraft so it will fly on the current 772ER flights as well as flights that need to be expanded. But who knows how the world will look like in 2010 when the first ones start to arrive..
Absolutely right statement, MS was in talk to either upgrade the existing 772 to have a new F,C class or to get rid of them and replace them with a new 77W with a new interiors. and they went with the second choice and the right one in my own thoughts.
Quoting HECA (Reply 16): Would love to see MS operate the 77W on the CAI-AMS route as KL is doing right now
one can only dream. but honestly i don't think that this route needs such a big aircraft since KL already using one.
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 5192 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1741 times:
I wont be surprised to see MS using their B 77Ws on nonstop flights to Japan and China as there is a huge influx of Chinese/Japanese investment on going in Africa as well as inbound tourism traffic to Egypt itself. Plus both PEK and NRT are major STAR hubs with Air China and ANA having their hubs there.
Other cities that can realistically see a MS B 77W are LHR, JFK, JNB and BKK only in my opinion. But I wonder if a business case can be made for MS to switch its NYC flights from JFK to EWR in order to serve CO's hub which will be now a major STAR hub where as JFK is now dominated by AA (OW) and DL (Sky Team).
Future service to ORD & IAH I feel will see B 772ERs being used and not B 77Ws as the latter will only be used on established routes that see high density + premium demand on a year round basis.