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Lufthansa To Quit Pakistan Again  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11957 times:

Lufthansa are said to be pulling out of Lahore from October 25th, security reasons are said to be the issue. LH stopped Karachi earlier this year which had been relaunched after a decade long suspension.

LH also operate cargo freighters MD11 to Lahore, service to KHI was ended some years back.

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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9029 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11949 times:
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Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
LH also operate cargo freighters MD11 to Lahore

Not anymore. We don't serve it anymore.

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
service to KHI was ended some years back.

From time to time we have a flight to KWI, but not too many. Just a few per month.

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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11898 times:

Freighter still fly to Karachi? or did you confuse it with Kuwait because you used the code KWI.

User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11865 times:

Well there you go, I didn't even know LH operated flights to Pakistan. Lahore seems a strange choice for pax ops - I don't doubt LH's ability to plan a good network but surely KHI or even ISB would be more lucrative?

User currently offlineIluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11840 times:



Quoting CityofAthens (Reply 3):
Lahore seems a strange choice for pax ops - I don't doubt LH's ability to plan a good network but surely KHI or even ISB would be more lucrative?

Lahore was a smart choice. Karachi is a more competitive market because of the frequency of flights to Gulf hubs. Islamabad has 6x weekly flights from British Airways but Lahore's only service to Europe is on PIA, which many people prefer not to avoid. Lahore is also a much bigger city than Islamabad (even with 'Pindi included) and is the capital of Pakistan's largest province (~80 million people).


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9029 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11616 times:
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Quoting 777way (Reply 2):
Freighter still fly to Karachi? or did you confuse it with Kuwait because you used the code KWI.

Yes, it happened to me too. My apologize here. We don't fly to Karachi anymore as you said corrctly.  thumbsup 

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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11607 times:



Quoting CityofAthens (Reply 3):
but surely KHI or even ISB would be more lucrative?

wrong...LHE is higher yielding than KHI.

This is sad...really sad...hopefully someone else will fill in the void...hopefully BA  Wink


User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11116 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 6):
hopefully someone else will fill in the void...hopefully BA

I dont think there will be void that needs to be filled,as LH wouldnt have quit in the event there was a market.

I was surprised that LH started Pakistan to begin with specially the KHI leg,i am on record on this site expressing my concerns over the viability of this flight when it was announced.

LHE may or may not be higher yielding then KHI,but never the less overall Pakistan is an extremely low yielding destination.This explains why every single European airline has quit Pakistan with the exception of BA, which has stayed back and done well because it has successfully captured the niche of diplomats and foreign businesses based in the Pakistan capital of Islamabad.

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
Lufthansa are said to be pulling out of Lahore from October 25th, security reasons are said to be the issue.

And no mate,they didnt quit because of security.With the inherint low yielding nature,coupled with the bad economic state of the country and unprecedented devaluation of Pak Rupee,LH left for commercial reasons alone.

Please review the email i received from Lufthansa Pakistan today.

Quote:
Pakistan operation of Lufthansa goes offline

Dear Lufthansa Friend,

From October 25th, beginning of winter schedule 2008/ 2009, Lufthansa German Airlines will no longer continue its flights between Lahore and Frankfurt due to commercial reasons.

If you have already been booked with Lufthansa, you will be rebooked via the gulf and informed accordingly.

We would like to express our sincere thanks to you for your support over the last year.


Sincerely yours,
Lufthansa German Airlines

Unfortunately i think more airlines will leave Pakistan in near future.My guess is one of the 4 major far-east carriers to KHI (SQ,MH,TG,CX) will go next......Probably MH


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26971 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11092 times:



Quoting KHI747 (Reply 7):
I dont think there will be void that needs to be filled,as LH wouldnt have quit in the event there was a market.

I think your right. Who is getting the chunk of the business there? EY / EK ?


User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10944 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):
Who is getting the chunk of the business there? EY / EK ?

Spot on.But add QR and to a lesser extent SV and GF to that list also.


User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10708 times:

some how related to the topic
i see LH operates B744 to DXB, since when is that ? and how is the load....
and why they operates MD11 from SHJ couple of times a day, B744F should be enough ?


User currently offlineAcjazzame From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 47 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9909 times:

I just flew on LH DXB to FRA and the loads were quite good, only 3 or 4 seats open.

User currently offlineSQ773 From Spain, joined Apr 2005, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9699 times:

I wonder where the AB6 will be deployed again..back to intraeuropean routes ?

User currently offlineCaspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9651 times:



Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 10):
and why they operates MD11 from SHJ couple of times a day, B744F should be enough ?

Because Lufthansa Cargo doesn't have the B744F. They just operate MD11. The next reason is that SHJ was always a hub for Lufthansa Cargo. I don't know how this changed when the new hub in Astana was opened but I can imagine that LH Cargo still has an operation in SHJ.


User currently offlineADRIANGALT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8759 times:



Quoting KHI747 (Reply 7):
And no mate,they didnt quit because of security.With the inherint low yielding nature,coupled with the bad economic state of the country and unprecedented devaluation of Pak Rupee,LH left for commercial reasons alone.

The term "Commercial Reasons" reasons is used when a company does not want to offend anyone. Clearly the reason is the Political Instability of Pakistan at the moment.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9029 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8751 times:
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Quoting Caspritz78 (Reply 13):
I don't know how this changed when the new hub in Astana was opened but I can imagine that LH Cargo still has an operation in SHJ.

I am currently in SHJ so we do have an operation here. Actually it is pretty big, loads of flights out of SHJ.
But this is getting off topic now. Topic is: LH and Pakistan.

I am sure LH will return to Pakistan, but I don't know when.

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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8633 times:

I feel its the suspension by LH is due to a combination of many factors:

1. Cabin crew backlash for having to work on these flights.

2. Deteriorating security/law and order situation in the country and the fact that doesnt help is that when the 2 police station bombs went off in LHE few months ago, there were LH cabin crew staying in the city at the time which really frightened them. Hence they then rerouted LHE via DXB for a while and then MCT.

3. High operational costs of flying a gas guzzling AB6 on a long haul route with today's fuel prices sky rocketing.

4. Pending retirement and then sale of a few of the AB6 frames...one of which could have been used for LHE hence the suspension. It also isnt easy for an AB6R to fly with a full payload of pax + cargo on the LHE-FRA sector nonstop. I remember more than once reading of instances where a refuelling landing needed to be made somewhere in Turkey or in that region.

I do not think for a second that LH suspended LHE due to financial reasons only as the yield it gets especially after the flight went nonstop was pretty ok.


User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8390 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 16):
I feel its the suspension by LH is due to a combination of many factors:

1. Cabin crew backlash for having to work on these flights.

2. Deteriorating security/law and order situation in the country and the fact that doesnt help is that when the 2 police station bombs went off in LHE few months ago, there were LH cabin crew staying in the city at the time which really frightened them. Hence they then rerouted LHE via DXB for a while and then MCT.

3. High operational costs of flying a gas guzzling AB6 on a long haul route with today's fuel prices sky rocketing.

4. Pending retirement and then sale of a few of the AB6 frames...one of which could have been used for LHE hence the suspension. It also isnt easy for an AB6R to fly with a full payload of pax + cargo on the LHE-FRA sector nonstop. I remember more than once reading of instances where a refuelling landing needed to be made somewhere in Turkey or in that region.

I do not think for a second that LH suspended LHE due to financial reasons only as the yield it gets especially after the flight went nonstop was pretty ok.

As far as the operating economics of the AB6 are concerned,a world class professional outfit like LH knew exactly what they were like.Its not like they realised after introducing this route that oopps somehow this AB6 is consuming more fuel per passenger then the A332! And if the fuel consumption was the only problem and LHE had potential,LH surely would have tried to upgrade the route to A330 or A340.Why would they want to quit a market after working on it for a year or more?

No denying the law and order situation is there but THAT is precisely the reason why the route became unfeasible.The entire economy of Pakistan is in dire straits right now due to it so dont think for a second that somehow it was just the political uncertainty which caused this closure and financially the route was still doing well.

The airtravel to and from any country is directly linked to its economy which is turn is deeply linked to the law/order and political stability-none of which is going right for Pakistan so how can you expect yields and loads to remain healthy?

The trend is clear right now,and as you are well aware all major operators have trimmed capacity to Pakistan right now.Emirates and Etihad,two of the biggest operators have all downgraded KHI,LHE,ISB. Similary TG has downgraded KHI from 4 x weekly A333 service to a 2 x week AB6 route recently.Not sure but maybe TG has even downgraded LHE recently as well from its DAILY service.

If the present trend continues,which unfortunately it looks like.As i mentioned before,expect more cuts to Pakistan.I dont think SQ,MH,TG and CX will all remain in KHI for too much longer.Between them,i expect MH to follow LH next.


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8215 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 16):
1. Cabin crew backlash for having to work on these flights.

It is interesting that this could be one of the reasons LH pulled out of Pakistan . I remember when Air Canada pulled out of India , a very similar comments were made here on A.Net .
It makes me wonder why , is that due to Passengers attitude or something else ?



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8127 times:



Quoting KHI747 (Reply 17):
Emirates and Etihad,two of the biggest operators have all downgraded KHI,LHE,ISB.

 redflag ..EK hasn't downgraded KHI in either frequency nor aircraft type. EK isn't going to cut LHE nor ISB as they don't even have a daily frequency to those cities. EK would like to have the bi-laterals with Pakistan redone as they would like to increase frequency.

EY has stated their Pakistan revenues have done very well. No reason why they would cut (but I haven't ascertained that fact yet).

Quoting KHI747 (Reply 17):
Similary TG has downgraded KHI from 4 x weekly A333 service to a 2 x week AB6 route recently

 redflag ..you fail to mention its only for the Ramadan period and it will go back up to 4x/weekly A333 post-Ramadan.

Quoting KHI747 (Reply 17):
.I dont think SQ,MH,TG and CX will all remain in KHI for too much longer

While I can't speak for SQ nor TG, CX and MH do quite well. Many pax from the West Coast love to fly on MH to India/Pakistan. CX has been flying to KHI for many, many years...even when the economy was worse than it is right now. Of course, Jet-A is quite expensive and all carriers have to continuously update/change their flight schedules. One could possibly see Pakistani routes get cut.

That beings said, KHI (and LHE/ISB to a certain extent) has traditionally done poorly with European carriers.

LX (old Swiss Air), AF, KL, LH have all pulled out from Pakistan for some reason or the other.



Apropos, what ever happened to your claim of PK becoming a "regional carrier" with a few long ops? Last I recalled, they are going to start ICN, BCN (amongst a few other cities) as well as possibly start nonstop flights to ORD (and IAH)?

With LH pulling out, FRA could be route served by PK as well.



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User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7813 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):
EK hasn't downgraded KHI in either frequency nor aircraft type. EK isn't going to cut LHE nor ISB as they don't even have a daily frequency to those cities

Please check your facts before posting.The 28 weekly services remain to KHI but nearly all flights have been downgraded to the A332 from a majority B772/3 service.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):
EY has stated their Pakistan revenues have done very well. No reason why they would cut (but I haven't ascertained that fact yet).

EY has downgraded both LHE and ISB in aircraft type from all A330 service to half the flights being done with the A320.

Do a search on this forum and you will get all this information,but try to do it before posting next time.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):
Apropos, what ever happened to your claim of PK becoming a "regional carrier" with a few long ops? Last I recalled, they are going to start ICN, BCN (amongst a few other cities) as well as possibly start nonstop flights to ORD (and IAH)?

PIA's financial situation is infront of you.Everytime there is a new management you claim oh now that there is a new management,things will change for the better.But they never do unfortunately.

Interestingly i met the latest of PIA's MDs socially last night and had a long discussion.The guy seems to be sorrounded by all the wrong people who thinks its OK to continue flying 2 x week to the vast majority of international routes and at the same time wondr why all pax have gone to other airlines.They seem to have a huge focus on lobbying the government to impose restrictions on Gulf carriers so that PK can operate in a competition free environment.Absolutely great things to focus on for this troubled airline  banghead 

As for the claim that PK is "going" to start ICN,BCN,ORD and IAH when most of the current N.America and Euro routes are losing money,i would like to think you know the aviation industry and the history of PIA a bit better to fall for that.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7761 times:

PIA also revived some failed domestic routes Nawabshah home town of Zardari, so not surprising, then Hyderabad and plans for Dera Ismail Khan, also operated three flights to Sehwan Sharif.

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 1):
Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
LH also operate cargo freighters MD11 to Lahore

Not anymore. We don't serve it anymore.

According to another board they are flying 744F to LHE, which airline operates this since LH dont have 744F, is it World Airways Cargo?

QUOTE

"current schedule directly from LH cargo website.
FRA LHE 2 LH8054 01:55 13:00 02-SEP-08 21-OCT-08
Aircraft: Boeing747-400Freighter
FRA LHE 4 LH8054 01:55 12:00 04-SEP-08 18-SEP-08
Aircraft: Boeing747-400Freighter
FRA LHE 4 LH8054 01:55 13:00 25-SEP-08 25-SEP-08
Aircraft: Boeing747-400Freighter''

UNQUOTE

[Edited 2008-08-31 09:36:22]

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7744 times:



Quoting KHI747 (Reply 20):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):
EK hasn't downgraded KHI in either frequency nor aircraft type. EK isn't going to cut LHE nor ISB as they don't even have a daily frequency to those cities

Please check your facts before posting.The 28 weekly services remain to KHI but nearly all flights have been downgraded to the A332 from a majority B772/3 service.

 redflag ...incorrect once again. Check their scheduling. KHI has been for a while a combination of A330 and B777's and will remain that way in the future.

I've flown EK 15-20 times the past 10 years to/from Pakistan. Have you? I think I know a thing or two as to the planes and schedules they've had the past 10 years (and what they will have in the future). Their scheduling has always depended on the season/time of week.

Here is a random sampling day of EK...in 2009


Karachi PK (KHI)
Dubai AE (DXB)
18 January 2009

EK605 KHI 0540 DXB 0645 332 2h05m
EK601 KHI 1210 DXB 1315 773 2h05m
EK607 KHI 1410 DXB 1515 772 2h05m
EK603 KHI 2225 DXB 2335 332 2h10m


Before one accuses someone of checking their facts, one should do the same.  yes 

Quoting KHI747 (Reply 20):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):
EY has stated their Pakistan revenues have done very well. No reason why they would cut (but I haven't ascertained that fact yet).

EY has downgraded both LHE and ISB in aircraft type from all A330 service to half the flights being done with the A320.

Do a search on this forum and you will get all this information,but try to do it before posting next time.

 redflag ...now that's funny, according to EY's own timetable, LHE-AUH is going A320 only on Sundays with the rest being A332's..maybe you know something we don't... scratchchin 

To Abu Dhabi (AUH)
Tu Th Sa 1455 1710 EY242 332 02SEP08- 12JUN09
Su 2145 0000 EY248 320 14SEP08- 12JUN09
Mo We Fr 2145 0000 EY248 332 15SEP08- 12JUN09


ISB-AUH as well sees a mix of both with the majority being A330's...

We Fr Su 1440 1700 EY232 332 31AUG08- 12JUN09
Tu 2100 2320 EY238 332 28OCT08- 12JUN09

Once again, your facts are incorrect... yes 

 point  Apropos, I like the fact you have simply decided to gloss over my comments of TG..how about admitting you were wrong?  white 

Quoting KHI747 (Reply 20):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):
Apropos, what ever happened to your claim of PK becoming a "regional carrier" with a few long ops? Last I recalled, they are going to start ICN, BCN (amongst a few other cities) as well as possibly start nonstop flights to ORD (and IAH)?

PIA's financial situation is infront of you.Everytime there is a new management you claim oh now that there is a new management,things will change for the better.But they never do unfortunately.

Yes, they lost money....it was less than the previous year however. Many carriers lost money for years before turning their future around.

By the way, they are starting AMS as well..I guess that fits into your definition of "regional".. rotfl .

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):

As for the claim that PK is "going" to start ICN,BCN,ORD and IAH when most of the current N.America and Euro routes are losing money,i would like to think you know the aviation industry and the history of PIA a bit better to fall for that.

Non-sequitur. What my views are rather irrelevant. Fact of the matter is you stated PK would become a "regional carrier with a few long-haul routes" and that is contrary to the direction PK is heading at this point in time.

PK's losing money thanks in part to a high-cost base, which is hopefully being addressed.

While I certainly believe PK needs to do something rather than whine to the govt., your predictions certainly haven't stood scrutiny at this point in time.  no 



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7697 times:



Quoting Iluv747400 (Reply 4):
Lahore's only service to Europe is on PIA, which many people prefer not to avoid.

Why? Even on the new 777's? Have the cabins degraded quickly due to lack of maintenance/cleaning? Or are service standards low or OTP poor?

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 6):
This is sad...really sad...hopefully someone else will fill in the void...hopefully BA

Hopefully not, actually. The security and stability threats (aviation and otherwise) from Pakistan suggest that the West is better off isolating Pakistan, rather than building more commercial/aviation links. I really see no benefits to any Western nation by maintaining commercial/aviation links with Pakistan in its current instability and insecurity. Pakistani nationals (particularly those living in the West) would disagree out of loyalty to their homeland no doubt, but few others would, I suspect.

Quoting ADRIANGALT (Reply 14):
The term "Commercial Reasons" reasons is used when a company does not want to offend anyone. Clearly the reason is the Political Instability of Pakistan at the moment.

Agreed. But what's offensive about stating the truth?

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 16):
I do not think for a second that LH suspended LHE due to financial reasons only as the yield it gets especially after the flight went nonstop was pretty ok.

Unless you have inside LH knowledge about route profitability, your comment is based on nothing more than wishful thinking.

Quoting KHI747 (Reply 17):
The entire economy of Pakistan is in dire straits right now due to it so dont think for a second that somehow it was just the political uncertainty which caused this closure and financially the route was still doing well.

The economy has actually grown strongly in the past few years. The lawlessness, security and stability issues though make Pakistan undesirable for investment or commerce by the ROW.



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User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7617 times:
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Quoting 777way (Reply 21):
PIA also revived some failed domestic routes Nawabshah home town of Zardari, so not surprising, then Hyderabad and plans for Dera Ismail Khan, also operated three flights to Sehwan Sharif.

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 1):
Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
LH also operate cargo freighters MD11 to Lahore

Not anymore. We don't serve it anymore.

According to another board they are flying 744F to LHE, which airline operates this since LH dont have 744F, is it World Airways Cargo?

QUOTE

"current schedule directly from LH cargo website.
FRA LHE 2 LH8054 01:55 13:00 02-SEP-08 21-OCT-08
Aircraft: Boeing747-400Freighter
FRA LHE 4 LH8054 01:55 12:00 04-SEP-08 18-SEP-08
Aircraft: Boeing747-400Freighter
FRA LHE 4 LH8054 01:55 13:00 25-SEP-08 25-SEP-08
Aircraft: Boeing747-400Freighter''

LH8054 is operated by JI with a routing of FRA-LHE-SZX, operated as a LH flight but with JI equipment and flight crew



Zanair flight, please hold on finals as we have to clear rhino's off the runway. Next flight KUL-FRA-AMS Flown in A319,A
25 Jacobin777 : Nopes...PK's B777's are kept in very good condition..that being said, I'll find out first hand as well.. 1-other carriers such as BA, EK, CX haven't
26 Ek-a380 : EK have for a very long time wanted to increase flights to LHE / ISB / PEW and even look at new destinations. The current bilateral agreement does not
27 Post contains links KHI747 : No i have only flown them 12-15 times to/from Pakistan in the time period,surely no match to your record,but i do know their equipment varies from se
28 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Lets use Behramjee's two threads you cited..... 1-Even with the "reductions" EK has stayed consistent with its flights. A small miscellaneous change
29 KHI747 : Very conveniently you have ignored the following points from the same threads. ISB - capacity reduced to 5 weekly A 320s + 2 weekly A 332s. LHE - capa
30 Babybus : Where is there a link to the CASM of the AB6? It would be interesting to see in comparison to other jets used on that route.
31 Post contains images Jacobin777 : -content edited (repost) ----------- ..So tell me....EK serves 28 weekly flights to KHI (4x/daily x 7)...Did they serve almost every DXB-KHI with B772
32 Abrelosojos : Aaw ... a thread (again) where Jacobin puts that silly graph showing things are peachy in Pakistan. Anyways, I am going to limit the politics of the c
33 Jacobin777 : Then don't start with a "cheap" shot and then saying "I'm not going to participate".. What a massive reduction of 284 seats (2.5% of total seats)....
34 Abrelosojos : = In my posting, was there any use of adjectives such as "massive reduction"? It was posting with numbers, and that is pretty much it. Cheers, A.
35 Jacobin777 : I should have been more clear...I should have stated it wasn't addressed to you...
36 Abrelosojos : Since the topic was Lufthansa, it got me thinking on overall international capacity cuts into Pakistan. Here are the numbers for all non-Indian sub-co
37 MilesDependent : Pakistan is really in a lot of turmoil at the minute. Inflation is out of control, the government is a shambles with the break-up of the coalition and
38 Jacobin777 : ...
39 KHI747 : EK has been gradually reducing capacity to KHI,if i recall correctly up until 2005-2006,3 of the 4 daily flights were B777.Only the early morning ser
40 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Like I said, come up with some proof rather than "IIRC" comments...which are incorrect. A small reduction, countered by an increase by ED (possibly P
41 Abrelosojos : = Come on. Don't you think you defeat your credibility when you say stuff like that? 15% reduction in capacity is actually pretty big. It is consider
42 Jacobin777 : Actually not, given the current crisis in aviation, 15% cannot be considered large...that leaves 85% of capacity. Now if we see capacity increase in
43 Abrelosojos : = In most developing nations, international capacity has NOT dropped 15% year-on-year in November. I was looking at it from a relative basis. What is
44 Abrelosojos : = You really should stop mocking people and looking at the data. Assuming you meant, EY, you're right ... it has had a very small increase between 20
45 Post contains links Jacobin777 : That's right..and lets see what happens in 2009 and compare it to other parts of the world, countries, etc. Take a look at the decrease in capacity i
46 Abrelosojos : = It seems that you are completely out of touch with reality and fail to recognize the actual facts. I did not include India because most would not f
47 Jacobin777 : Say what? If anything, I was making different comparisons but to say I'm out of touch with reality simply laughable.. It was a comparison on a relati
48 Post contains links and images Abrelosojos : = That data is from September 1 release ... but as always, a great attempt to spin. = Aaw. I agree. I was quite looking forward to your next graph sh
49 KHI747 : Its interesting to get all this absurd and faulty "first hand information" about Pakistan from you when im the one living here.I dont even want to ge
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