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Will AS Ever Start ATL Service?  
User currently offlineSwissair4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 130 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3740 times:

Hi guys!

Just was wondering if we will ever see Alaska Airlines starting a SEA-ATL-SEA service.

The market is dominated by DL, and ALL of their flights are always full. Plus AS and DL offer code-sharing service.

I could easily see twice daily ATL-SEA-ATL service succeeding on a 737-700.

Flights could be:

SEA-ATL
1230a-815a
1005a-555p

ATL-SEA
900a-1120a
700p-915p


or some algorithm of the above?

45 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3716 times:



Quoting Swissair4ever (Thread starter):
The market is dominated by DL

For that reason alone, it's doubtful IMO. If they can codeshare, then why fly it?



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User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

It's been talked about for years and years. ATL has been a market A.netters have been predicting for as long as I can remember. However, with current fuel prices and the length of SEA-ATL, it could certainly be more beneficial for AS to just continue code-sharing with DL on the route and allow DL to funnel pax into the system (somewhat). I do however, believe that one day we will see AS serving ATL. Their recent announcement of MSP service shows that AS is definitely not afraid of starting service to someone else's fortress hub.


Good goes around!
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3701 times:



Quoting Swissair4ever (Thread starter):

I could easily see twice daily ATL-SEA-ATL service succeeding on a 737-700.

I could easily see ATL-SEA-ATL service on an ex-AS 737-700...  stirthepot 


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

DL and NW also don't fly SEA to Alaska among other routes because it sometimes makes sense to cooperate instead of compete.

AS' 737-900s will fly to ATL when AS is acquired by DL.


User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3701 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 1):
For that reason alone, it's doubtful IMO. If they can codeshare, then why fly it?

The same could be said for SEA-MSP with NW and SEA-ORD or SEA-DFW with AA. Apparently there is a point where AS determines it to be beneficial to them to go ahead and fly it with their own metal. However, I agree that ATL is not going to be something that happens soon.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3642 times:



Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 5):
The same could be said for SEA-MSP with NW and SEA-ORD or SEA-DFW with AA.

SEA-MSP is a stronger case for arguing AS should not be serving the market but relying on the codeshare. However, AS doesn't revenue share with any of its US codeshare partners so it does have financial bnefits from serving markets on their own. MSP is alot closer to AS' SEA base. ATL is alot further from SEA and thus more expensive to serve.


User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3642 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 4):
AS' 737-900s will fly to ATL when AS is acquired by DL.

Did I miss something??

~Brandon



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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2092 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3603 times:



Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 2):
I do however, believe that one day we will see AS serving ATL. Their recent announcement of MSP service shows that AS is definitely not afraid of starting service to someone else's fortress hub.

Not afraid indeed. It's more of a predictable move with more similar moves forthcoming as they relate to DL/NW.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3591 times:



Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 7):
Did I miss something??

~Brandon

No you didn't miss anything yet....



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3580 times:



Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 5):
The same could be said for SEA-MSP with NW

I was just going to say that.

8 Daily flights. 7 of them are on 753's and an Airbus.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3419 times:

Pardon me for returning the thread to the topic...

Quoting Swissair4ever (Thread starter):
Just was wondering if we will ever see Alaska Airlines starting a SEA-ATL-SEA service.
The market is dominated by DL, and ALL of their flights are always full.

Dominated by DL but don't forget, FL also flies 4x daily (at least seasonally, at least for now...) I realize that 2 competitors doesn't necessarily keep AS out of a market, but I think in this case, it would.

bb


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3413 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
Pardon me for returning the thread to the topic...

It was never off topic to begin with.


User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3322 times:



Quoting Swissair4ever (Thread starter):

Flights could be:

SEA-ATL
1230a-815a
1005a-555p

As much as I want a new city to be announced- the times you listed above would not be the case.

Alaska announced recently that all previous red-eye transcons will now be operated during the day time hours. MCO/BOS/MIA are now going to be daytime flights (MCO/BOS in addition to the morning departures). Because of this- if Atlanta is announced- except a daytime trip. No allnighters to the east coast for the time being....


User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3299 times:
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I doubt it very much due to the fact that, like others have said, DL dominates ATL and AirTran already flys to SEA. (Although this is seasonal.) The only time that I can think of AS flying there would maybe be 2011 for the completion of the South Gate Complex project.

-HSII



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5902 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3214 times:
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I think you'll find AS opening up another Texas city before ATL.

User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3133 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 15):
I think you'll find AS opening up another Texas city before ATL.

I agree. Once CO joins Star I can see AS cutting ties with them and picking up Houston. However, ATL has always been near the top of the list for new destinations so you just never know. MSP caught some people off guard for sure.


User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 647 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

I could be wrong, but I think I heard here that AS was just about ready to start SEA-ATL service when FL jumped on the route (some even say FL moved SEA up their priority list to discourage AS). They may just keep the codeshare for now, though, especially with the cost of fuel being what it has been.


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User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 926 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

I think that you are correct EMB170. I have heard that as well that they were going to start ATL but then FL announced service. I do not see it happening but I would love to see the Eskimo tails in ATL... we do not have that much variety here! I do wonder with the DL/NW merger if NWA will have to give up their three gates on D Concourse to the ATL airport? They had 4 gates but DL is now in charge of one of them. Wonder if they would go common use?


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User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3004 times:



Quoting Swissair4ever (Thread starter):
The market is dominated by DL, and ALL of their flights are always full.



Quoting Swissair4ever (Thread starter):
I could easily see twice daily ATL-SEA-ATL service succeeding on a 737-700.

Full loads are independent of good yields.


User currently offlineExaauadl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2920 times:



Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 2):
However, with current fuel prices and the length of SEA-ATL

exactly, too long and fuel too high.


User currently offlineCa2ohhp From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2874 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 6):
ATL is alot further from SEA and thus more expensive to serve.

You could say the same about HNL from SEA as well. AS will be launching another city this year, but it won't be ATL.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 4):
AS' 737-900s will fly to ATL when AS is acquired by DL.

Yeah right. DL has more than enough on their plate now.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3016 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

It sure would be nice, though. For me, ATL-SEA is about the only route I could see using AS on. Sure would like to try their FC on a route like that!


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User currently offlineCa2ohhp From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2841 times:



Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 22):
Sure would like to try their FC on a route like that!

I would say their FC product is comparable to AA domestic narrowbody FC, nothing too extraordinary.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 45
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2839 times:



Quoting Ca2ohhp (Reply 21):
Yeah right. DL has more than enough on their plate now.

Yes they do have more than enough on their plate right now.



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
25 AirframeAS : Not a chance. Nothing to see here... Move along.... It would be great to see a mix of -790's and -890's in MSP. Thankfully, no. Just some AS haters o
26 Flynavy : Your upper management executives would disagree.
27 Flynavy : I don't hate AS, nor has anyone here said anything of the sort. Stop jumping to conclusions.
28 Alitalia744 : Nobody is posting in hatred of AS. At least I'm not. Flew them twice, great airline, great bunch of people!
29 AirframeAS : With you, yes. AS is a codeshare whore. Everyone here knows that, so do the shareholders. Again, nothing to see here... Move along... None done... Ma
30 DeltaL1011man : 2011? funny its 2011 for the new terminal the SGC doesn't have an open date yet everything is all backed up now. Just think the new terminal should b
31 HowSwedeitis : The "Complex" is rather complex for the city planners eh? -HSII
32 AirframeAS : Not necessarily.... You realize codeshare agreements make much more money that mergers do.....right?? It works very well for AS.... Think about it...
33 DeltaL1011man : Sorry but if some came up and wanted to give 30B for AS then AS would be so far gone it wouldn't be funny. Everyone has a price.
34 AirframeAS : Not always. Let's just agree to disagree. AS shareholders always have the final say...and this isn't the first time the shareholders were asked about
35 DeltaL1011man : AFAIK AS hasn't been asked to merger.....yet. AS and DL will do nothing but get closer.
36 AirframeAS : I'm not talking about the so-called A.net DL/NW/AS merger. Im talking about the past....historically...this will not be the first time AS shareholder
37 EA CO AS : I believe they'll get closer, yes - providing feed to and from one another in an expansion of the existing codeshare agreements between both the curr
38 Hatbutton : I don't see why AS always has to be the talk of the take-over mania. Yeah everyone's got their price but the price for AS would have to be huge consid
39 EA CO AS : It is worth noting that AS codeshares more extensively than any other carrier in the world.
40 AirframeAS : I was just about ready to point that out. Hence why it makes so much money more than mergers. I knew I could rely on you, EA CO AS! Thanks!
41 Hatbutton : Compared to anyone in an alliance? What would the difference be?
42 EA CO AS : Yes, particularly when you consider codeshares also apply to a far higher percentage of their mainline flights than any other carrier.
43 Gunsontheroof : AS codeshares with many of the largest carriers in both OneWorld and Sky Team. Not hard to see that there are a lot more options available to you as
44 AirframeAS : Also adding to that...it brings in a huge, huge revenue stream to AS. And shareholders LOVE That! As for the topic at hand....seeing AS metal in ATL
45 RwSEA : I really don't see the need for SEA-ATL. Yes DL's flights are packed, but mostly with connections. Between F9 and DL, the market is covered. Besides,
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