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PA103, SR111 - Coincidence?  
User currently offlineDcy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1160 times:

Okay, first of all, this is not a conspiracy theory or anything else - I would just like to hear your opinion on the following ....

On December 21st, 1988 Pan Am 103 was brought down by a bomb over Lockerbie, Scotland.

On September 2nd, 1998 Swissair 111 crashed into the sea near Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada.

These are facts that we are all painfully aware. But did you know that if you convert December 21st, 1988 into the Islamic (Hijri) Calendar, this happened on the 11th day of the 5th month (Jumaada al-awal) of the year 1409. It gets more interesting if you convert the latter date (Sept 2nd, 1998) into the Hijri calendar - this day was the 11th day of the 5th month (Jumaada al-awal) of the year 1419 - thus making it the 10th anniversary of the PA103 crash. So - 12/21/1988 AD = 5/11/1409 AH and 9/2/1998 AD = 5/11/1419 AH. (AH = Anno Hegirae, years from the start of the Hijri calendar)

We now know that the SR-111 crashed because of a fire on the Kapton wiring on the flight deck, but - what are the odds of this happing exactly on the 10th anniversary of the PA103 crash ; even stranger, PA103 was flying to JFK, and SR111 originated in JFK. Can somebody calculate what are the odds of this happening? Can somebody say if it would be possible for somebody unauthorized to gain access to the Swissair MD-11 and somehow manipulate the wiring aboard it? I would not like to imply anything, I'm just trying to understand it myself.

Regarding the Hijri calendar - please note that the Muslim (yes, even Arabs) people follow this calendar and not the Gregorian one (the Gregorian), so it is not 'just a wild conversion'.

You can doublecheck the date conversions here:
http://bert.cs.pitt.edu/~tawfig/convert/convert.cgi
or
http://jade.webstar.co.uk/hijri/

Will you be on a flight either originating in JFK or flying to JFK on 5/11/1429 AH (11/3/2008)? I am sure I will not be ...

dcy.

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User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1056 times:

PA 103 was a bomb.

SR111 was kapton wiring.

Yep, it's a coincidence!!


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1045 times:

Don't forget TWA800 and MSR990.

I think Hmmmm... already tried this.  Insane



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User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1033 times:

SR111 and TWA800, took off at the same time, from the same airport in the same city, from the same runway going to the same destination which is Europe.
And I guess they had something else in common . Oh yes the number of pax and crew 230/230.


User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1015 times:

Threr hasn't been a crash originating or ging to JFK since 1999 so I think it's safe to say that the "badluck" has dissappeared. I hope that it never returns.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24909 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 993 times:

VirginA340, wasnt the Air France Concorde going to JFK? That happened last year so I guess you are wrong when you say that there hasn't been a crash originating or arriving at JFK airport since 1999.
PS The Concorde was going to JFK wasnt it?



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User currently offlineSvenvdM From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 988 times:

Hmmm, in addition the timer for the bomb that brought down Pan Am 103 was manufactured in Switzerland.

Seems awkward but I don't think there's a link.


Sven


User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 987 times:

Interesting, but probably a coincidence.


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User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 982 times:

G-kirk I can't belive that I had forgotten that one. Sorry. I hope that there are no more crases on flgiht originating to or from JFK. This is beginning to look very bad especially for passengers that soley rely on good luck.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineTWA_PHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 974 times:

Coincidence ? I think not

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8052 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 972 times:

Of course it's a coincidence. But I enjoy spotting patterns and finding them in statistics. There have been a lot of accidents in the airspace near Long Island / Eastern Seabord cos it's about the busiest airspace in the world. There was a huge number of ocean liners that came to grief there, such as the Andrea Doria.

There have been a lot of accidents in the Bermuda Triangle. But again, there is a lot of traffic. The shipping and aircraft loss rate there is a lot higher than other areas on the planet, but the loss rate is still exactly proportionate to the amount of traffic that enters the area.

PS TW800 had 230 pax and crew; SR111 had 229.



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User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 930 times:

How many planes do daily depart from / arrive to JFK? How many of them have about (or even exactly) 230 passengers and crew aboard? How many accidents happened in the same day of the year (by the Gregorian calendar, so don't even bother to look for the others)? And so on...

User currently offlineKMIA From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 903 times:

why don't you call one of the stupid 1-800 # for a free tarot reading,maybe Cleo has the answer  Yeah sure

User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 897 times:

So much for this being a serious forum.


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