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Might AC Want Zoom 763s?  
User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

With the unfortunate end of ZOOM operations there will be a few 763s available. I remember a few weeks ago there was some speculation that AC might want some more 763s. Any chance they could use some of the ZOOM 763s or are they not compatible with AC 763 fleet types and engines etc?

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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4122 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2181 times:



Quoting CayMan (Thread starter):
Any chance they could use some of the ZOOM 763s or are they not compatible with AC 763 fleet types and engines etc?

If not AC, how about DL?



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User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Is DL also looking for 763s?

I don't know anything about the former ZOOM a/c, how old they are or how suitable to other carriers.


User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

I would assume if AC is ditching the 762 ER's they are not in the market for some newer aircraft. I am sure that these older but still good aircraft could have held on until the 787's are ready if there was a demand for capacity. I think the only thing AC would want to get into these days is that "power by the hour" aircrafts.

Just my $.02

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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1851 times:



Quoting CayMan (Thread starter):
With the unfortunate end of ZOOM operations there will be a few 763s available. I remember a few weeks ago there was some speculation that AC might want some more 763s. Any chance they could use some of the ZOOM 763s or are they not compatible with AC 763 fleet types and engines etc?

Whether AC would want the ZOOM aircraft is the same as any other airline in the world wanting them. Why single out AC as a good candidate?


User currently offlineManu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

Most airlines are reducing capacity right now due to the slowing economy, so my guess would be NO.

User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

It depends if AC needs the extra lift or not. Zooms 763's have GE engines and the majority of AC's 763's are GE powered, so that's not much of an issue.
As for the interiors, they would have to be XM modified and retrofitted to AC standards, so depending on the amount of work required, it might or might not be fessable. Galley layouts should be standard to the -300.
Zoom 763's have a different door layout, but AC flies a couple of -3Y0ER's with the same config.
Another thing to look at is the lease rates that AC could secure. I'm sure they would not lease them if the terms are'nt good.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5945 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1811 times:
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HA might want a couple more 763's as a stop-gap measure until they start receiving their A330's.

User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1688 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 4):
Whether AC would want the ZOOM aircraft is the same as any other airline in the world wanting them. Why single out AC as a good candidate?

Because I read that AC might be in market for 763s. "Any other airline in the world" might not happen to be in market for 763s.


User currently offlineYWG747 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1603 times:



Quoting CayMan (Reply 8):
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 4):
Whether AC would want the ZOOM aircraft is the same as any other airline in the world wanting them. Why single out AC as a good candidate?

Because I read that AC might be in market for 763s. "Any other airline in the world" might not happen to be in market for 763s.

Also with some of the planes being grounded in Canada, it is just a quick tow to get repainted in AC colors.


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1488 times:



Quoting CayMan (Reply 8):
Because I read that AC might be in market for 763s. "Any other airline in the world" might not happen to be in market for 763s.

Its possible. AC have a motley selection of 763's, including some leased from ILFC who own 3/4 of Z4's 763's. More than half are GE CF6 powered, so no issue integrating these aircraft into their fleet. AC are also a large 787 customer, so will be affected by the delays. The final 762ER's will be gone by year end and A32X's are going back to lessors (E Jets have come in) but I feel more 763's will be used for transcons to replace these. If the A330's also leave as speculated before any 787's can arrive in decent numbers, its possible they may need a couple more of anything they can get and 763ER's are the best choice as they already have a relatively large fleet of them. However, this is also a valid point:

Quoting AC_B777 (Reply 6):
As for the interiors, they would have to be XM modified and retrofitted to AC standards, so depending on the amount of work required, it might or might not be fessable

For a short term lease it could well not be worth it.

However, just because Zoom are Canadian doesnt mean AC have any special first choice - the choice where they go is the lessors. BTW, it seems three aircraft have been ferried to MIA, any reason for this??

As for the 757's, I would love to see them stay in pax service, but FX have to be a good bet



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User currently offlineFrmrCAPCADET From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1732 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Isn't Boeing (and Airbus for that matter) in the market for any and all used extended range wide bodies to provide lift for the delayed 787s?


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