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EU Commission Launches Investigation BA/AA/IB Link  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26863 posts, RR: 58
Posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

According to Sky News the EU Commission has launched an investigation into the BA/AA/IB tie up.

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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

I hope this gets approved in a timely fashion. It's long overdue!

AA1818



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2488 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2477 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 1):
I hope this gets approved in a timely fashion. It's long overdue!

and without conditions as well  Wink



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User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Hope it gets approved as well. They have approved Air France / KLM and also the Northwest tie up they have so hopefully it won't be a problem.

User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

If it gets blocked or imposed with heavy conditions, BA/AA/IB should take the European Union Commission to the World Trade Organization for allowing UA/LH and KL/AF/NW partnerships.

Simple.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2488 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2350 times:



Quoting AlanUK (Reply 4):
If it gets blocked or imposed with heavy conditions, BA/AA/IB should take the European Union Commission to the World Trade Organization for allowing UA/LH and KL/AF/NW partnerships.

Simple.

True and I actually was a bit astonished that UA/LH/BD/SK/LX and AF/KL/NW/DL/AZ/OK deals were not subject to some restrictions.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26863 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2242 times:



Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 5):
True and I actually was a bit astonished that UA/LH/BD/SK/LX and AF/KL/NW/DL/AZ/OK deals were not subject to some restrictions.

Very true , I guess fairs fair. SRB is not happy though.


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3589 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

The bureaucrats will stick some small conditions on approval just to flex their muscles and feel important, but I doubt the conditions will be significant.

It will be nice to be able to use BA on TATL and still get AA miles.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26863 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2105 times:



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 7):
The bureaucrats will stick some small conditions on approval just to flex their muscles and feel important, but I doubt the conditions will be significant.

Maybe they will surprise us all it give it the Green light with no conditions.


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1974 times:



Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 5):
True and I actually was a bit astonished that UA/LH/BD/SK/LX and AF/KL/NW/DL/AZ/OK deals were not subject to some restrictions.

Where the alliances above also investigated by the EU?.

SRB keeps going on about it would make for a non competitive market. AF/DL, KL/NW and
UA/BD already codeshare ex LHR and have all been approved for ATI in the past . He has
never lodged a complaint about that !!.
Infact does VS not still codeshares with CO, with CO's code apearing on VS's service from LHR to JFK, EWR, ORD, MIA, SFO and LAX. Thats more than BA and AA have ever been allowed to do.........
Since open skies took effect there is now more choice than ever before from LHR across
the Atlantic. In the past it only used to be BA/VS/AA and UA out of LHR. Now you have
BA/VS/AA/UA/CO/NW/US and AF with KL rumoured to be looking to operate it's own aircraft from LHR to the US

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 7):
The bureaucrats will stick some small conditions on approval just to flex their muscles and feel important, but I doubt the conditions will be significant.

mmmmm. I don't know why but I have this nasty feeling the EU and US are going to tell AA
and BA that they have to give up a ridiculous number of slots. I so hope I am wrong. As both airlines have said they will not continue with ATI if this is asked of them... One piece
of good news the Spanish government have said they would approve a IB/BA merger.

If BA was asked to give up slots at JFK could they in theory give them to Openskies to
use? or would this not be allowed?.

Also would BA/AA have the right to contest or appeal the desicion?? If so who would they
appeal to?? Surely with DL/AF, KL/NW and UA/BD all operating ex LHR to the USA on
codeshare basis and already having ATI BA could argue this leaves AA/BA at a
competetive disadvantage!!.

I so hope it is approved and quickly !!!  pray 


User currently offlineR2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2589 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

I want to think that this is simply a routine investigation that they always have to do in these cases. The EU authorities currently have a positive view towards airline mergers and it would be a contradiction if they created obstacles for this deal after having happily approved equivalent agreements within Star and SkyTeam.

How many competitors does SkyTeam have on CDG-JFK? I don't think very many.


User currently offlineGatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1866 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 9):
Where the alliances above also investigated by the EU?.

Any merger / alliance has to be authorised by the EU. All the alliances were approved by the EU and also the US authorities.

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 9):
One piece
of good news the Spanish government have said they would approve a IB/BA merger.

From the competition point of view, the BA-IB deal doesn't change "anything", as it was the case of the IB-Spanair acquisition or the Vueling-Clickair merger. BA and IB cooperate and are part of the same alliance since many years ago. I don't see why the competition authorities would not approve this, when other airlines are growing and growing.

Competition aside, regarding the political side, the government has nothing to say on Iberia. Moreover, the government of Spain was never against concentration of European firms. As I said in this forum, Spain is avery open economy, not protectionist at all. Most of the privatized firms are now in foreign hands.

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 9):
I so hope it is approved and quickly !!!

The AA-BA-IB ATI will take at least one year. AA and IB signed an identical agreement 15 months before (now BA joined the agreement due to the new Open Skies scenario) and the US DOT never decided if the ATI was aproved or not. Now the process has to begin again, so expect at least one year.


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