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User currently offlineZWZWUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 197 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1318 times:

Well, there are many region-specific threads floating around out there, so I thought I might as well start one in a region that may soon be experiencing some dynamic changes.

The two airlines of particular interest in this region seem to be Northwest Airlines and Midwest Airlines.

Northwest:

When the merger is complete between Delta Air Lines and NW, the headquarters will be heading south to Atlanta. What effect will this have on the MSP and DTW hubs? Will they be scaled back at all? What is to come of NW's "focus city" in MKE? It seems that their presence there is not quite as strong as it was a year or two ago, but they still seem to have a market there. Will Midwestern cities be affected by this merger? Will smaller cities such as MSN and TVC be scaled back from mainline to just Airlink (or I guess soon "Connection")? MSN has several mainline flights a day, will they still be here in a few months? I have heard they may move more towards Compass flights.

Midwest Airlines:

With the exception of the thread a few weeks ago on NW's write-off of YX, the news front has been pretty quiet concerning YX's financial situation. Even the people at MSN who work for YX-Connect say that the channels of communication have been pretty quiet. What is YX's situation? Is it getting better? Are they on the brink of collapse? What will become of MKE if they were to fold completely? Would it just be downsized and become more or less a regional-jet ghost town like STL did after the AA-TW merger?

Also, any news about aviation in the Midwestern region is appreciated! What is new?

~Tim

[Edited 2008-08-29 06:55:55]


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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

Does this cover Chicago?


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineZWZWUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1254 times:



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 1):

Sure, that is pretty Midwestern!  bigthumbsup 

~Tim  Smile



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1249 times:

Ok I'll get the ball rolling then.

Looks like more cuts are in store now that sumer is coming to a close, American Airlines, United Airlines, Delta Air Lines, Northwest Airlines, Continental Airlines, US Airways, JetBlue Airways, AirTran and Alaska Airlines plan to cut domestic capacity during the third and fourth quarters:
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/consumer&id=6358974



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7350 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1195 times:



Quoting ZWZWUnited (Thread starter):
Northwest:

When the merger is complete between Delta Air Lines and NW, the headquarters will be heading south to Atlanta. What effect will this have on the MSP and DTW hubs? Will they be scaled back at all? What is to come of NW's "focus city" in MKE? It seems that their presence there is not quite as strong as it was a year or two ago, but they still seem to have a market there. Will Midwestern cities be affected by this merger? Will smaller cities such as MSN and TVC be scaled back from mainline to just Airlink (or I guess soon "Connection")? MSN has several mainline flights a day, will they still be here in a few months? I have heard they may move more towards Compass flights.


I wouldn't expect to see significant changes to the route structure of NW in the Midwest. NW is arguably the strongest airline in the region - particularly in MI, MN, WI, IN, ND, & SD and Canada (from the US). The region has some very unique traffic flows & geography (thanks to the Great Lakes causing some out-of-the-way driving routes). DL today is generally very weak in the region.

DTW & MSP aren't going to see any reductions in the combined airline. DTW is actually poised to grow, dependent on how much capacity is moved from CVG.

2nd tier markets like MSN, TVC, GRB are going to continue to see a mix of anything from 50 seat RJs up to DC-9/A319 aircraft. The balance of the 76 seaters are to arrive by year end (E75's & CR9') so there is going to minimal adjustments after the end of 2008.

DL knows they are getting a good thing with the market share, loyalty, and lack of cut-throat competition in the Upper Midwest that they are getting with NW. Remember, with Anderson at the helm of DL and many other NW exec's staying onboard -> they will continue to go with what they have going in the Midwest.


User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1195 times:

Ahem.

Minnesota Aviation.

Thankyou.



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User currently offlineAllegiantAir From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1733 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1188 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 5):

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4078632/

Haha yeah, I was gonna mention that, but I didn't wanna be rude.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7350 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1182 times:

I'm not from Minnesota...I never bothered to read your threads.

Born & raised in Michigan here....with a few years spent on the East Coast & Mid-Atlantic


User currently offlineZWZWUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1162 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 5):



Quoting AllegiantAir (Reply 6):

Yeah, but the point is there is a HUGE difference between just Minnesota and all of the Midwest. This gives a chance to discuss YX, UA, AA, and NW.

~Tim  Smile

P.S. Anyways, what is so great about just Minnesota? I mean, come on! At least WI has beer and cheese!!! lol Big grin



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User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

Personally I think MSN should be taking their airport to the next step. From regional to international. Madison is a magnet for Bio Tech and IT. Not to mention a top notch university and state capitol. That area has the fastest growing population in the State of Wisconsin.

User currently offlineAllegiantAir From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1733 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1109 times:

If anyone is from the MBS area, do you know of an Airbus A319 with a white fuselage and blue tail that has been based there for the last month or so? It's owned by "Blue Moon Aviation" from MSP, and I usually see it around MSP (I haven't lately) but I've heard a company around Saginaw has been chartering it recently.

So if there have been any sightings, please share!!  Smile



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User currently offlineZWZWUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1087 times:



Quoting MKENut (Reply 9):

I know!!! I am shocked that we haven't AT LEAST gotten flights to Canada yet. I have heard from some people that the airport was designed so that it would be easy to put a customs area in there if the demand warranted it, but I guess it hasn't yet! I hope it does eventually.

Also, I would like to see American Eagle and United try to step up their presence there. A lot of the businesses around the Madison area have travel contracts with United and a lot of the UW-Madison students fly United. A return of United mainline, or a beginning (have they been here before?) of American mainline would be very refreshing!

Also, hello?!?! AC Jazz? Where you guys at? I would have thought they would have been a no-brainer at MSN!

~Tim  Smile



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User currently offlineHighguy76 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1015 times:

Has anyone heard anything new about SGF?
I heard Delta is cutting all flights to CVG from there come October.
Sure wish someone (preferably CO) would come in with a non-stop to EWR.
HG76


User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 999 times:



Quoting ZWZWUnited (Reply 8):
P.S. Anyways, what is so great about just Minnesota? I mean, come on! At least WI has beer and cheese!!! lol

Minnesota has some great things that they are definitely proud of:

Spam (the canned meat product). You can even go through the Spam museum if you would like. Anyone for a free sample?

Other characteristics are at least "interesting"; one of which is that a sizable portion of the population - if you are to believe the T-shirts and their comments - believe a small insect, the mosquito, is a bird (despite having a series of very highly respected colleges and generally high level of education in the US).

The other item along this line is that Minnesota is officially known as "The Land of 10,000 Lakes", but the official count of lakes more than ten acres (40,000 m²) in size is actually 11,842., and if you count everything that geologist call a lake there are over 15,000 of them.

So a mosquito is a bird, and I'm not sure if they cannot do math well or that they just forget about 1/3 of their lakes.

Another great thing about Minnesota: Water-skiing was invented their. Where would the world be without water-skiing and all that sports that have derived from it.

"Post-it" notes as well. That is "Minnesota Yellow" if you are wondering what the name of the color is.

Another thing - more money has been made by mining iron ore in northern Minnesota than has been made by all the gold and silver mines in the US combined. If you want to see one really big hole in the ground (the worlds largest) - go to northern Minnesota and look. Impressive

In the Aero-Space industry Minnesota was also a leader. NASA almost build an operations center their in the 60's due to the expertise in the area (and I think Minnesota is still the leader in producing aviation/aerospace gyroscopes of various kinds - currently electronic).

So overall, perhaps a bit flaky on a few things - but very industrious people and one of the backbones of the US.

On top of that, there are some really great people who live there.


User currently offlineZWZWUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 966 times:



Quoting Highguy76 (Reply 12):
I heard Delta is cutting all flights to CVG from there come October.

Mainline, or completely?!

Quoting 2175301 (Reply 13):

Miss the sarcasm I am guessing?  Wink

~Tim  Smile



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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 938 times:



Quoting 2175301 (Reply 13):

America's largest twine ball is in Minnesota. Not really exciting but its something.

Wasn't the indoor mall first born in Minnesota?



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User currently offlineHighguy76 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 855 times:

ZWZWUnited,
I believe DL only have regional (Chataqua) flights from CVG to SGF, but the local news says all flight service ending in Oct.
HG 76


User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 855 times:

MKE is going to suffer a 20% reduction in flights after 9/8/08. I've read in the paper this is one of the biggest reductions of any airport. Any other airport going to experience larger cuts than 20%?

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