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SQ IAH July Numbers  
User currently offlineSt530 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 139 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5514 times:

They're in, and pretty much the same as June. 2,852 deplaned and 2,776 enplaned. Assuming 18 flights in July (my count based on the schedule), that's an average of 158 coming in (57%) and 154 going out (55%). Singapore continues to be a much bigger draw for both inbound and outbound passengers than Moscow. The re-timing did not begin until August 2, so these numbers obviously don't tell us anything about whether the re-timing has helped/will help.

Infer from these figures what you will.

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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5494 times:

Premium passengers numbers rougly equal to June 2008.


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5433 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 1):
Premium passengers numbers rougly equal to June 2008.

...which were?

Without figures, your statement has no worth.  Wink



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5407 times:



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
...which were?

of a quantitatively confidential nature  Wink I won't hold it against you if you disregard that certain post Big grin



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5378 times:

I would be interested to see how these numbers differ after CO joins STAR. The feed will undoubtedly improve and patronage of CO frequent flyers on the DME flight would also improve.


Retorne ao céu...
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5291 times:

I still CAN NOT believe Singapore flies to Houston. I hope I don't offend anyone from Houston, but WHY???? some kind of oil or energy thing seeing as the flight is from Moscow, maybe??

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7687 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5283 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 5):
I still CAN NOT believe Singapore flies to Houston. I hope I don't offend anyone from Houston, but WHY???? some kind of oil or energy thing seeing as the flight is from Moscow, maybe??

That was the idea. Alot of people on here seem to think that the oil and gas industry can justify an IAH-Anywhere flight. Its just not so. CO needs to throw its numbers on there fast or this flight will be history.



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5272 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 6):
That was the idea. Alot of people on here seem to think that the oil and gas industry can justify an IAH-Anywhere flight. Its just not so. CO needs to throw its numbers on there fast or this flight will be history.

Isn't that the reason Emirates started Houston?? After JFK, LAX and SFO should've been next on Emirates' US agenda, why IAH????


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7687 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5234 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 7):
Isn't that the reason Emirates started Houston?? After JFK, LAX and SFO should've been next on Emirates' US agenda, why IAH????

Its apples and oranges. DXB and DME are completely different destinations. Theres more traffic between IAH and DXB than IAH and DME.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5306 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5215 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 6):
CO needs to throw its numbers on there fast or this flight will be history.

The question, of course, is will they. Afterall, they've been in Star for several years now and have yet to set up a codeshare agreement with UA.



Hughes Airwest - Top Banana In The West
User currently offlineSafetyDemo From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5189 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 9):
The question, of course, is will they. Afterall, they've been in Star for several years now and have yet to set up a codeshare agreement with UA.

Continental is still a member of the SkyTeam Alliance...

-safetyDemo



Please direct your attention to the flight attendants in the cabin...
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7687 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5180 times:



Quoting SafetyDemo (Reply 10):
Continental is still a member of the SkyTeam Alliance...

I think hes talking about SQ and UA trying to get a codeshare agreement with them.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5306 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5128 times:



Quoting SafetyDemo (Reply 10):
Continental is still a member of the SkyTeam Alliance...



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):
I think hes talking about SQ and UA trying to get a codeshare agreement with them.

Correct! I guess I wasn't clear. I was talking about SQ having been in Star for several years now and the fact that they still have not set up a codeshare agreement with UA.



Hughes Airwest - Top Banana In The West
User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5113 times:

It just blows me away when they are dropping two services a week ex MAN at 80/90 LF, dropping LAX-TPE, but continue with this folly!!! Am I missing something?

User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5105 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 5):
I still CAN NOT believe Singapore flies to Houston. I hope I don't offend anyone from Houston, but WHY???? some kind of oil or energy thing seeing as the flight is from Moscow, maybe??

No offense taken. There are a lot of stereotypes about Houston and Texas as a whole. But I will try to reverse your ignorance.
In a nut shell Houston is America’s cradle of growth, prosperity and opportunity. Airlines like EK and SQ are very wise to invest in Houston. They’ve done their homework and they know what they are doing. But if you need more proof that investing in Houston is worth it, take a look at some the links below:

US Bureau of Labor Statistics: Houston Metro #1 Metro for Job Growth

Fortune: Houston #2 in F500 Companies

Kiplinger: Houston # 1 City to Live, Work and Play

Forbes: Houston Best City to Buy a Home

Forbes: Houston Best city for Recent College Grads

Forbes: Houston Top 5 City for Young Professionals

HBJ: Houston Top City for Manufacturing Jobs

Washington Post: Houston’s Pipeline’s of Prosperity

etc, etc..


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7687 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5084 times:



Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 14):
Airlines like EK and SQ are very wise to invest in Houston.

Yes and no. EK was wise, SQ choose poorly.



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3999 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5074 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 7):
After JFK, LAX and SFO should've been next on Emirates' US agenda, why IAH????

Why and Why not?

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5024 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 3):
of a quantitatively confidential nature

Well, what do your numbers say about how the flight is doing financially?! How does the break even load factor vary with %premium pax. If you dont put any numbers out there, what do we really have to go by?!


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3999 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4946 times:

From the IAH Spotters Club......

Singapore Airlines flew a total of 5628 passengers in July. The load
factor to IAH was 57% or 2852 pax while the load factor from IAH was
55% or 2776 passengers. As with the other months, about two-thirds
of the passengers continued their journey to SIN from IAH while one-
third got off at DME. Of the 2852 pax that flew to IAH, 1807 started
in SIN while 1045 got on at DME. Of the 2776 pax that flew from IAH,
904 got off at DME while 1872 went to SIN.


And the entire thread.....

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iahspottersclub/message/30075

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4921 times:



Quoting Col (Reply 13):
Am I missing something?

Yes, it's called yield! The LAX-TPE market is over saturated and the fares are rock bottom. You can fly with a full aircraft and still lose money. MAN is in the same boat, the yields are not that great and the aircraft can be re-deployed in other markets.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4911 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
Yes and no. EK was wise, SQ choose poorly

I don't know if I agree just yet. SQ may be making a profit on this flight with high yields + cargo. Why would they fly a 77W on the run?



Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4789 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 1):
Premium passengers numbers rougly equal to June 2008.



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 3):
of a quantitatively confidential nature Wink I won't hold it against you if you disregard that certain post Big grin

Viewing this and your other posts, it seems like you are an official SQ monitor on this site. No harm but we all like objectivity and verifiable facts in the forum.



Civil Aviation has a "Need for Speed"!
User currently offlineDocPepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4697 times:



Quoting Olympic472 (Reply 21):
Viewing this and your other posts, it seems like you are an official SQ monitor on this site. No harm but we all like objectivity and verifiable facts in the forum.

To Singapore_Air's credit, I also have access to the premium loads on this route and I am unable to divulge them - but he is right in saying that premium demand in July and June were the same.

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 19):
Yes, it's called yield! The LAX-TPE market is over saturated and the fares are rock bottom. You can fly with a full aircraft and still lose money. MAN is in the same boat, the yields are not that great and the aircraft can be re-deployed in other markets.

That's what I know as well. MAN yields are not the greatest and is possibly the worst European station in the SQ network as far as yields are concerned (Again, I am unable to quote the source as it would mean giving the name, designation and department of the person in SQ who shared this information with me)


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4520 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 19):
Yes, it's called yield! The LAX-TPE market is over saturated and the fares are rock bottom. You can fly with a full aircraft and still lose money. MAN is in the same boat, the yields are not that great and the aircraft can be re-deployed in other markets.



Quoting DocPepz (Reply 22):
That's what I know as well. MAN yields are not the greatest and is possibly the worst European station in the SQ network as far as yields are concerned (Again, I am unable to quote the source as it would mean giving the name, designation and department of the person in SQ who shared this information with me)

Looks like SQ days at MAN are numbered, unless someone in Sing can come up with a way to increase yield - Couple of pounds on a ticket may help.


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4422 times:



Quoting Col (Reply 23):
Looks like SQ days at MAN are numbered, unless someone in Sing can come up with a way to increase yield - Couple of pounds on a ticket may help.

I disagree. I think MAN will stay for the foreseeable future. However, it makes no sense to put a 77W on the route only to flood the market with more seats and drive the yield down even further. I think by not going daily, they will be able to hold or improve the yields.

Certainly the equipment will remain the same as the 77W can be put on other routes with higher yields.


25 Ssides : The IAH-DXB flight has been going downright gangbusters since it's inception -- it was a big hit (even bigger than EK expected) almost right from the
26 Gsosbee : Houston is a sewer. Save energy, the cradle of growth is North Texas.
27 Drerx7 : Who told you that lie? Houston is THE international city of Texas.
28 Post contains links 102IAHexpress : Let me guess, you must be from Dallas? Sorry that the facts hurt. But here's another one for you, if you can handle it. US Census: Houston Fastest Gro
29 LAXdude1023 : Before this turns into a Dallas vs. Houston piss fest, both cities have a lot going for them right now. Houston is the international city and has a b
30 Boeing747_600 : If you and Singapore_Air continue to insist that your data on premium pax are confidential, then my default assumption would be that the flight is do
31 Singapore_Air : I think we would both rather acknowledge your concern and lose all credibility than give quantifiable information. I can't speak for Docpepz but I am
32 Post contains links LAXdude1023 : You have to look at it from a Metro Area or CSA standpoint. Looking at an issue like this from who lives in an invisible defined line in innaccurate
33 PhilSquares : Load factor alone does not make a specific route successful or unsuccessful. You need to look at yield. I know several routes where SQ flies where th
34 Post contains links Boeing747_600 : Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 33): Load factor alone does not make a specific route successful or unsuccessful. You need to look at yield. I know several
35 PhilSquares : After working for SQ for 5 years, I am more than willing to do that. The pull down of TPE-LAX was directly related to yield on the route. It was down
36 Gsosbee : While it is obvious that Houston isn't a place I would prefer to live in, those who doubt the value of the flight just do not understand the energy wo
37 Col : PhilSquares, this would not be dumping as the 77W seats less than the 772ER, but I think I get what you are meaning. Problem they have is that there
38 PhilSquares : It does in the premium cabins! Why take the 77W and add the seats to the market. Right now EK is the pricing leader in the MAN-OZ market. That's the
39 Col : I did not mean that they should add a 77W. My comments are based on loosing two 772ER rotations per week. MAN-OZ maybe price sensitive, but I have tw
40 Olympic472 : I understand that SIN-NRT is not performing. IF this is so why are there no pull down of SIN-NRT?
41 PhilSquares : Again, MAN is primarily a leisure market. SQ will compete on price to a degree, but at the end they will price their product to cover costs rather th
42 Olympic472 : OK, so can they reduce one daily. On a related note, why fly the A380 on SIN-NRT? Is the NRT-LAX demand greater than the HKG-SFO?
43 Yellowtail : 77W...because it has more premium seats...which is where it is doing well...SQ's problem on the route is Y.... If you look at the HAS website you can
44 LAXdude1023 : Thats not really a way to tell if yeilds are good. My dad has also flown this route twice (once two weeks ago). He told me the plane was virtually em
45 Yellowtail : Still 55% is not that bad. Especially if the a fares are high, good premium load and good cargo. I know the stage length is not the same....but for ex
46 Addd : 55% average loads on a transatlantic route in July (JULY, for God's sake!) are pathetic no matter how you look at them. For example, much discussed A
47 LAXdude1023 : 55% on a transatlantic flight in the Summer time is horrible. Especially since those pax are split between SIN and DME.
48 Post contains links David_itl : Nice comment from Marvin Tan, gen mgr for the UK: "Mr Tan said Singapore is planning increased investment in the Manchester service, with a new produ
49 Singapore_Air : Manchester is a f**ked station. Trip costs are high. Yields may be comparatively poor compared to other routes. They didn't order enough B77Es and st
50 Atmx2000 : One thing to consider is that historically there have been far more ties with the US oil industry and the Middle East. Obviously, there were few ties
51 LAXdude1023 : This is true too. I think this flight will be history. AA is having a hard enough time keeping ORD-DME afloat. And the market from Chicago to Russia
52 Yellowtail : BUT this is not a "summer flock to europe tourist route" ..thsi is not aimed at tourists. ORD is a completely different dest that IAH......last I che
53 102IAHexpress : My ONLY concern for this route is the current state of US Russian tensions. Today Russia started a ban on most poultry imported from the US. Russia st
54 LAXdude1023 : If you read the intial posters response, he mentioned that: So this flight probably isnt drawing a whole bunch of oil execs as it is. Theres only two
55 PhilSquares : You do realise this article you quote is almost 2 years old? Not too relevant in the current discussion. Demand is great if you can raise the fare, i
56 Atmx2000 : I've had Russian connections in both cities, but there are far more Russians in Chicago for sure. I don't think the VFR market is that big, and I'm n
57 Gsosbee : I would say Russia will attempt to disrupt not only this flight, but all flights over their territory. That will mess up several routings and flights
58 Yellowtail : In fact IAH-DXB-SIN would actually be brilliant...market is clearly there..and can clearly sustain lots of F&j and cargo....EK would not be happy thou
59 Post contains links Thomasphoto60 : Actually, if I recall correctly someone mentioning that this was being discussed by SQ officials, as well as a IAH-SIN nonstop, before the IAH servic
60 Singapore_Air : Not so fast. One presumes and stereotypes that Emirates has a strong sales team. They probably have a substantial chunk of the market wrapped up in n
61 Addd : I would say - enough to sustain a 5-6/week direct ORD-DME service with a B767.
62 LAXdude1023 : It has yet to be seen. Its preformed so poorly with the 777, I dont know how much the 763 will help.
63 Yellowtail : What about IAH-KWI-SIN
64 Addd : Well, we don't really know, do we? All we may know so far is ORD-DME loads (not yields) as well as anecdotal evidence on how well/bad the flight os d
65 LAXdude1023 : And they suck. Its not an indication of the yields, but the loads are horrible (albeit not as bad as SQ's IAH-DME flight).
66 Coal : What about New York and San Francisco? The company I work for (mining, oil, and gas) has a large office in Houston and I hear from colleagues it's pr
67 Drerx7 : Your coworkers must not know how to have a good time then...I love Houston.
68 Addd : Last time I heard loads on ORD-DME were well into 80%s or even 90%s overall - hardly a disaster.
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