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User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 4 days ago) and read 20276 times:

I received an email from Virgin America stating, "...the good news is [Elevate Members] will be able to use their Elevate Points in time for free travel on Virgin America by early October. According to a g/a last night at SFO, the redemption amounts will be released in a couple weeks, and points will be able to be used toward free travel, first class upgrades, onboard food and beverage as well as premium tv services. I am hoping they don't forget to include the Virgin Atlantic lounge at SFO.

In addition, Virgin America Elevate members will soon have a new way to earn points...the Virgin America Visa Card. New partners Banana Republic and Kimpton Hotel/Restaurants will offer discounts and promotional bonus points on purchases made with the VX Visa.

Also VX flyers, look in the seatback for the Banana Republic publication, in the back of it is a coupon code for 20% your next Virgin America flight.

And keep your eyes peeled from N628VA, now entourage air:
http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp11/boeing787900/DSC04715.jpg

On September 7, an all-new season of Entourage premieres on HBO. To celebrate, HBO and Virgin America welcome you aboard "Entourage Air". During the month of September, book your travel between NYC (JFK) and Las Vegas on Entourage Air and enjoy free episodes of Entourage on RED fleetwide on Virgin America. First class guests on Entourage Air will experience "Entourage Class". Fly like Vince and the boys with your very own pair of Bose noise-canceling headphones, a glass of signature champagne, Godiva truffles, Kiehl's Since 1851 Perennial Favorites Travel Set, Altoids and a signature Entourage Air blanket and eye mask.

Cheers VX fliers!


those who don't get carried away should be.
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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5902 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 20030 times:
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What about new cities?

User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 20027 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 1):

I keep hearing the VX birds chirping ORD by Thanksgiving...

Have not heard what will be after that...BOS? MIA? DEN? ATL?



those who don't get carried away should be.
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 19762 times:



Quoting SAN787 (Reply 2):
I keep hearing the VX birds chirping ORD by Thanksgiving...

Hey M. Time is getting a bit short for a T-day start-up; both SAN and SEA service announcements were made by Virgin about 3 months and a week prior to flight-inauguration. Of course they might not hold to that time frame but if they do, a pre-Christmas start date is possible IF the announcement is made soon.

I see they still have the Station Mgr and Sprvsr positions for ORD listed on the Careers page but that doesn't mean they aren't filled already. No other new city postings are listed yet; however, it looks like they are again trying to hire a LAS Station Mgr.

bb


User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 19746 times:

It may not matter but VA just got a gift from Jet Blue. Word on the street is that Blue will cut San Fran-New York down to just a single flight per day (eff Oct 18).

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25193 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19711 times:

Well VX is getting close to moving into its new T-3 digs at LAX after the facility gets a 30 day 'virginized' remodel which will give VX 6 gates of its own (up from current 2)

From what I understand they have promised the city quite a bit of growth, including opening a LAX crew base. I suspect some sort of expansion could be announcement in conjunction with the terminal move.



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19629 times:

Well I mentioned it to my friends and one friend put in resume for VX manager for LAS Big grin


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19614 times:



Quoting SuperDash (Reply 5):
Word on the street is that Blue will cut San Fran-New York down to just a single flight per day (eff Oct 18).

That's already reflected in the on-line timetables; an evening w/b and red-eye e/b flight...

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
...will give VX 6 gates of its own (up from current 2.)

Wow. BTW, how many gates does VX have at SFO?

The expansion at LA is certainly not surprising since, with the exception of LAS and SAN service from SFO only, service to JFK, IAD and SEA is fairly equal from both SF and LA; I'm sure ORD service will be pretty much the same situation. (I wouldn't be surprised that once they have the gate space at LAX, Virgin will start flying to LAS from there as well.)

bb


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13560 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19409 times:
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Quoting SAN787 (Reply 2):
I keep hearing the VX birds chirping ORD by Thanksgiving...

Interesting.

I keep hearing VX is on the ropes and may not be around by Thanksgiving - not in their current form, anyway.


Per a friend of mine whose girlfriend works there, they've stopped all hiring and have already told flight attendants to expect furloughs.



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User currently offlineEK345 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 19293 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 8):
Interesting.

I keep hearing VX is on the ropes and may not be around by Thanksgiving - not in their current form, anyway.


Per a friend of mine whose girlfriend works there, they've stopped all hiring and have already told flight attendants to expect furloughs.

Interesting indeed. Especially since i've been hearing quite the opposite, and that is that they have been doing fairly well, given the industry climate. They have positions posted on their website, which indicates that they are still hiring, although not as aggresively as they were before. And as far as furloughs go, a friend of a friend who works there told me that this is currently not on the books.

The passengers who fly on it love this airline (myself included), and I don't think it is about to go under anytime soon.

EK345



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 19280 times:
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Quoting SAN787 (Reply 2):
Have not heard what will be after that...BOS? MIA?

Hopefully VX will fly to BOS and MIA after ORD. They will be welcomed at MIA, especially since AA has the monopoly on the MIA-LAX and MIA-SFO routes.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32737 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 19292 times:

The next five cities are supposed to be ORD, MIA, BOS, DEN, and EWR; all connected to both SFO and LAX; plus MIA-DEN.


a.
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 19250 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
The next five cities are supposed to be ORD, MIA,

Nice, I've never flown on VX and can't wait to try their product.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32737 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 19254 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 8):

Per a friend of mine whose girlfriend works there, they've stopped all hiring and have already told flight attendants to expect furloughs.

Oh please.

A quick check to Virgin America's career website would quickly prove that to be false.



a.
User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5902 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 19128 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Well VX is getting close to moving into its new T-3 digs at LAX after the facility gets a 30 day 'virginized' remodel which will give VX 6 gates of its own (up from current 2)

Isn't T3 where AS is doing their hub thing as well? I guess that means that AS won't any more gate space.

Although, it's good to see an airline doing some expansion through LAX.


User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 19117 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 8):
Interesting.

I keep hearing VX is on the ropes and may not be around by Thanksgiving - not in their current form, anyway.

Per a friend of mine whose girlfriend works there, they've stopped all hiring and have already told flight attendants to expect furloughs.

Typical "I know someone who knows someone who knows someone who overheard someone say..." statement. In case you haven't noticed, ALL airlines sans WN are hurting, but VX seems to be carving a niche for itself. They are growing slowly, which is smart. I had the opportunity to fly them once, and they beat anything ANY U.S. based carrier puts in the sky, so I think they will catch on.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 18956 times:

Aren't they still taking delivery of four more buses by the end of the year?

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 18595 times:



Quoting SAN787 (Reply 2):
Have not heard what will be after that...BOS? MIA? DEN? ATL?

I definitely wouldn't mind them coming to ATL, as I've been wanting to try them out but that would involve having to fly DL or FL to another city in order to get to fly them and that really would be a roll of the dice, especially if the flight from ATL to the city where I was catching the VX flight out of were to be canceled. Why take the risk? With FL doing some cutbacks at ATL and NK down to a few ATL-FLL flights a day, there may be some opportunities to grab some unused gate space to come in and offer a few flights a day to SFO, LAS, and LAX and do some cherry picking of FL and DL customers. Throw in the possibilities of what could happen to NW's gates post-merger and there definitely could be gate space for them to launch service.


User currently offlineFreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 898 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 18340 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Oh please.

A quick check to Virgin America's career website would quickly prove that to be false.

Having jobs posted on the website doesn't indicate they are hiring for those jobs. They'd had several of them posted for many months now.

On that note, isn't it kind of pathetic that they are STILL offering $139 transcon fares even a year after they've been in existence? That doesn't even cover the cost of fuel anymore let alone their other costs.

That they are STILL hiding behind the DOT to block any public access to information they have from all other carriers doesn't exactly scream confidence either.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 18247 times:
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Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 18):
On that note, isn't it kind of pathetic that they are STILL offering $139 transcon fares even a year after they've been in existence? That doesn't even cover the cost of fuel anymore let alone their other costs.

And NK still offers $ 9 fares from FLL to many cities; isn't that pathetic too.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5939 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 18165 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
Wow. BTW, how many gates does VX have at SFO?

Technically none, they use the International terminals common use gates.

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 18):
That they are STILL hiding behind the DOT to block any public access to information they have from all other carriers doesn't exactly scream confidence either.

Thats what I was wondering, does anyone have any updates on to when DOT will make a final ruling on that?



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13560 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 17542 times:
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Quoting EK345 (Reply 9):
Interesting indeed. Especially since i've been hearing quite the opposite, and that is that they have been doing fairly well, given the industry climate.

I also know VX has gone to their lessor asking for payment amnesty. Not exactly something you do when you're doing well.



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User currently offlineDukeofDashes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 17522 times:



Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
On September 7, an all-new season of Entourage premieres on HBO. To celebrate, HBO and Virgin America welcome you aboard "Entourage Air". During the month of September, book your travel between NYC (JFK) and Las Vegas on Entourage Air and enjoy free episodes of Entourage on RED fleetwide on Virgin America. First class guests on Entourage Air will experience "Entourage Class".

Do you know if that plane will be featured in an episode of "Entourage," or if this is just a purely marketing scheme?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25193 posts, RR: 48
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 17493 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 14):
Isn't T3 where AS is doing their hub thing as well? I guess that means that AS won't any more gate space.

Well AS is on the West side of T-3, that will not change. What VX is doing is taking over the entire Eastern portion of the satellite. as F9, FL, NK, SY, YX all vacate.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13560 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 17481 times:
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Quoting DukeofDashes (Reply 23):
Do you know if that plane will be featured in an episode of "Entourage," or if this is just a purely marketing scheme?

It's all about marketing, from what I understand. Why would it be featured on "Entourage" anyway? The show doesn't "exist" within the world of the show...



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
25 Wedgetail737 : Where are they placing the vacating airlines from T-3?
26 LAXintl : YX joins AA in T-4 while F9, FL, NK, SY into the vacated VX facilities in T-6.
27 EK345 : Apparently your sources are much more informative than mine. All I know is that VX are in a league of their own as far as US domestic airlines go, an
28 Wedgetail737 : I'm a little surprised that they're moving YX to AA's terminal. I would have thought they would be sharing terminal facilities with NW in T-2. Isn't
29 Luv2fly : People use to say the same about Midwest as well, and they are now hanging on by a wing and a prayer. And a "league of their own" does not pay the bi
30 Post contains images EK345 : Your statement is correct, in that being rated the best domestic airline will not pay the bills unless it translates into sales. As long as VX is aro
31 LAXintl : Was planned for T-6, however YX then changed its mind and will apparently have AA do its handling now instead. Its one of the 3 terminals UA uses, bu
32 Live2fly83 : doubt it, the O&D traffic out of there is way too competitive- UA,AA,DL,US,WN on such a sort flight its about price- VX would have to drop fares belo
33 SAN787 : I, on the other hand, could see VX entering this market. These are two major cities that are inhabited by VX's ideal passenger (target market). On to
34 Aviators99 : I agree that both cities are full of their target market, but most of the things that make VX such a compelling offering would be lost on a 42 minute
35 SAN787 : It's ok to offer great service on a 42 minute flights too.
36 SFO777200LR : Darn it...no word on PDX?
37 Nzrich : Yes but the difference is for a 42 min flight i dont care about the service as your hardly on board .. Now a 5 hour service i want much more !! For 4
38 SAN787 : I thought WN was looking like a good match...till you mentioned great price. jk, i enjoy WN...but if it's a route VX operates too, VX has my business
39 Nzrich : yes but say VX is on the route and they are $50 more than the others for 42 mins are you willing to pay $50 extra just to have a screen in front of y
40 LACA773 : I'm surprised about this as well. Doesn't AA have near 100% utilization of all their gates most of the day? It would seem T5 or T2 would have been a
41 BigGSFO : I think they are planning 4 round trips daily both SFO-ORD and LAX-ORD.
42 LAXintl : Well YX put out an RFP for handling, and AA won. If AA did not want them, YX would not be there. Whats too hard to understand?
43 Post contains links Aviators99 : That was their announced plan, here: http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...em.aspx?type=blog&ak=49727760.blog
44 Wjcandee : It's too bad that these long hauls are so deadly for carriers with fuel prices so high, because it's where B6 really shines. Sorry, VX, my B6 ticket
45 EIPremier : Yes, but AS is not just on the west side of T3, they also use gates on the east side at peak hours. AS uses gates 35 and 36 at peak hours and sometim
46 LAXintl : I guess they will have to double park more planes (esp the Q400s) as they have done prior around their gates. Gate 35 is planned to be V Australia's
47 SAN787 : On VX it's not necessary to get on your knees and beg for a drink. Just a couple taps on the touchscreen and the drink arrives at your seat.
48 Wjcandee : Gotta say that's a lovely thought. But what does it say about service these days if we're reduced to having to input our orders into a POS system bec
49 Live2fly83 : right- in this economy everyone spends their penny wisely If they did enter the market It would be an up hill battle against other carriers( that hav
50 EA CO AS : For every VX fanboy who is impressed by this, there are an equal (if not greater) number of passengers who are unimpressed by the fact that VX's crew
51 LACA773 : There's nothing hard to understand about that at all Laxintl!! I didn't know how this was done. My apologies to you man . I didn't mean to upset you.
52 TN757Flyer : Just curious, but have you actually flown VX? If so, you experienced something far different from me. The cabin crew was attentive the entire flights
53 SAN787 : I am very curious too. Each of the 11 flights I've taken on VX, the flight attendants have been authentically friendly and up and down the aisle the
54 Luv2fly : That is all well and good though let's be honest all things when new usually run that way. Once they get old, complacent, tired and or bitter then th
55 TN757Flyer : Which is precisely what is wrong with every airline in this country today, with very, very few exceptions. If VX management does it's job, they will
56 BigGSFO : In the eye of the beholder- OAK is a mess IMO. I'll take SFO any day of the week. Even with the so-called technology barrier as you suggest, the atte
57 Luv2fly : Lets see what the crews are like after a couple of years if VX even makes it that far. That like all business's will be the real test. Even UA got go
58 Aviators99 : I have not flown VS, but have flown VX quite a bit (possibly more than any rev passenger). What I've heard about VS (even today) seems to match the l
59 Malaysia : I have flown VS and not VX, but on VS everything is free in coach including the IFE and the food and drinks.
60 STT757 : Speaking from living in the NYC market, if I were not an aviation enthusiast I would not even know Virgin America existed. There's zero marketing, def
61 Aviators99 : Very true. I have been in all of their cities since their launch except SAN, and the *only* place where there seems to be substantial marketing is LA
62 LAXintl : B6 and VX very much market themselves to their respective Coast. For instance, I agree with you cant drive around parts of NY without seeing a Jetblu
63 AS739X : Virgin is at a hiring Freeze-per Virgin Human Resources in Burlingame,Ca ASSFO
64 Malaysia : That is a bad sign.... I remember US Airways went into hiring freezes with the PIT closing, then.... the furloughs came
65 AS739X : It's not a great sign for sure, but they will know more in November if they will be allowed to start hiring then or continue the freeze. But any posi
66 Live2fly83 : that is true- they are only 'accepting' applications for positions at ORD- if they ever open it or apps for vacated positions (accountants,maintenanc
67 TN757Flyer : Not everyone. I'd still qualify Southwest as one of the best carriers around. Why? They have excellent management and they know how to treat their em
68 LACA773 : The Entourage promo is news to me. I haven't seen anything about it here in Santa Monica/West LA/Beverly Hills or West Hollywood. It seems like a gre
69 Luv2fly : No never flown them, not really on my list of things to do. I like things that are tried and true, not hip and flashy. would rather have substance ov
70 EA CO AS : While I've not flown VX, I'm referring to the experiences of friends of mine who have flown VX as both customers AND one who is a VX flight attendant.
71 InTheSky74 : As we have seen with their recent city additions of SAN and SEA - they are starting to focus more on short-haul for the time being. I would expect the
72 Malaysia : Independence Air once put out openings for Supervisors for the West Coast Operations then pulled them off after deciding to out-source and the only e
73 SANFan : This would certainly make sense but would take a major turn in Virgin's strategy. The rumors seem to continue with more-or-less the same list of citi
74 TN757Flyer : Then may I suggest before you trash other airlines, you give the courtesy of trying them out before making judgment? If you consider mood lighting an
75 Srbmod : With ExpressJet out as a Delta Connection carrier, LAX-LAS is no longer being offered. That's really an apples and oranges comparison, as one airline
76 SAN787 : I feel like I owe you lunch. Thank you for doing this favor.
77 SevenHeavy : I'll second that - some people's relentless slating of VX borders on sad. Instead of sitting on the edge of your seat waiting for them to fold, why n
78 TN757Flyer : LOL. Thanks, but I don't come cheap. Seriously, I don't get how people can come off as they do when they haven't even sampled the product. Nor do I p
79 Luv2fly : OK lets talk facts they are fighting the release of data which is REQUIRED by law, why is that! Because they are bleeding money left and right, who kn
80 SAN787 : Richard Branson — Net Worth: £4 billion (US$7.8 billion)
81 Luv2fly : Well thats all well and good, he is unable by law to invest all of that into VX.
82 Live2fly83 : UK investment is limited to 25%- remember all the delays for the carrier, they had to restructure anyway, they are only leasing the Virgin brand- tha
83 Live2fly83 : agreed, I try to stay objective also, they have a great product but their finances are not ready to play with the big boys
84 Aviators99 : They are the best-financed startup US airline in history.[Edited 2008-09-01 12:52:39]
85 Aviators99 : I believe they lost that fight 2 months ago, so I don't think they are spending any money on that. I'll bet they are not "bleeding money left and rig
86 Live2fly83 : right, 400m secured of which near 100m burned(est) - 40m their first quarter or reported ops alone anyway my point being they are *finacned* but not
87 Luv2fly : Yes they might have lost thouh they still are fighting to release the data.
88 Aviators99 : Okay, I understand what you are saying, and you seem to understand the facts of their financing. But now you've stated an opinion that they are not s
89 Aviators99 : Please cite a source for this news that I have not seen anywhere.
90 Luv2fly : Have you seen the data released, that should answer your question.
91 Post contains links EA CO AS : http://industry.bnet.com/travel/1000...form-41-until-virgin-america-does/ http://industry.bnet.com/travel/1000...n-america-confidentiality-request/
92 EK345 : I agree. Fly them first, then then i'm willing to listen to your "review" of their product and service. Until then, the arguments you make regarding
93 EA CO AS : That's easy. THEY'RE FLYING. Defying logic, they went ahead with their startup plans, adding capacity to an industry that is plagued with overcapacit
94 TN757Flyer : Lets face it folks, certain people on here are going to hate VX regardless, just like some people hate AA, DL, WN, et. al. on other threads. Why? Who
95 LAXintl : In the midst of all this bickering, wanting to highlight something that seems to be working well for VX. The VX F class fares have continually been on
96 Live2fly83 : VX is was denied but they are still fighting (spending $) the release they are now riding the appeals process enjoying further defacto status protect
97 Live2fly83 : to begin they have a high bottmline next, they have no fuel hedges continuing, they have great prices but its not helping their BELF I can go on and
98 Wedgetail737 : The worst-case scenario is that VX either cuts back significantly or discontinues flights completely. Who do you think will fill in the voids? Don't g
99 Live2fly83 : Sir, while I agree their are some members the only offer subjective statements to threads please do confuse that with those that seek to have an open
100 Aviators99 : You put a winky face after your initial response: "They're flying", but essentially that's what you're saying with the rest of your response. There i
101 LAXintl : Oh they appealed, not only did they appeal however they logged a new argument calling into question the entire reporting system the DOT requires of a
102 Aviators99 : You have quoted me out of context. I was clearly referring to the two articles quoted in the posting above.
103 Wjcandee : But they only have 8 such seats. At $499 per coach seat (which B6 gets close to flight time and/or on full-ish flights, plus another $30 transcon for
104 LACA773 : It would be great to see them add some additional short haul service like: LAX-PHX, PDX, SJC etc.. It would be great to have some more mainline servi
105 Aviators99 : I flew F on AS one round trip SEA-SFO per week until the day VX started flying that route. Because of their first class, I am perfectly willing to pa
106 EA CO AS : Not at all. They're simply trashing yields, which poses a threat to every airline - particularly with fuel as high as it is right now. You know as we
107 SevenHeavy : I can't argue with the maths, but are B6 really getting 18 people per flight paying $500 per flight? I doubt it. Especially now that VX will sell a w
108 TN757Flyer : err...isn't that the objective in the airline industry? To run your opponent out of a market? At least to become the market leader? People flamed me
109 Aviators99 : I believe the airline being hurt by VX the most is AS, due to their focus on the west coast N-S routes. I find it a bit silly that AS has attempted to
110 BigGSFO : This is the nature of all business- capitalizing on opportunities to drive market share and revenue. VX has stated they are not out to be the biggest
111 MaverickM11 : What voids? VX isn't filling any voids to begin with.
112 SAN787 : Step up on stage and make a case why I should fly your airline over VX...
113 TN757Flyer : Exactly. How many people have stated the same thing in this thread? Obviously there are a few are not going to get it because they feel their own com
114 GSPSPOT : I like this system - it still gives folks the opportunity of having things to eat & drink inflight, which seems to be disappearing these days. I don'
115 757drvr : Not any different than carriers opperating in bankruptcy???? How many carriers are left that haven't done that a time or two????
116 757drvr : How is this any different from carriers operating under bankruptcy protection? I'm guessing that you work for one of those carriers. Isn't it the sam
117 Post contains links and images Luv2cattlecall : That's not really that worrisome. What's really, really unnerving is the fact that the government rate for IAD-SFO is only $159/$169Y! The current co
118 SFOnative : San Francisco is a very Eco-Friendly city with a public transit system that is highly utalized by all. Check most MUNI Bus and Street cars during any
119 SFOnative : Are you looking for it? How about the bus stop ads mentioned above, banner ads on SFGate, advertisements and logos at AT&T park etc..... they are out
120 Ikramerica : Which is why there was/is such concern with where VX's unlimited funds to run a loss are coming from. It's one reason we have foreign ownership restr
121 Aviators99 : I loved your post, until you quoted me out of context! My line was in response to another post that said they weren't well-financed. I wasn't saying
122 Aviators99 : I'm assuming you work for AS, as they stand to lose the most from VX. I have several AS pilot friends who referenced memos that indicate they are alr
123 Hatbutton : We pulled back our SEA-LAX/SFO flying only a bit. Still hourly flights to LAX and twice as many flights to SFO as VX. Even VX cut capacity a tad. But
124 LAXintl : One of the silliest restrictions we have in our globalized economy. Foreign investors can buy our banks, ports, media, distilleries, insurance, minin
125 Aviators99 : This country has a long history of protectionist policy. Even before you had any hair
126 EA CO AS : You're exactly right, in that it's no different than bankrupt carriers trashing yields at the expense of viable carriers, and I've had issue with tha
127 SAN787 : EA CO AS, I think it's a fair question: why we should consider your airline over VX on these competitive routes?
128 757drvr : It's hard to tell from EA CO AS. Only one of those carriers has not filed. Our bankruptcy laws are not fair to the carriers who do pay their bills! B
129 Surfdog75 : That's got Song written all over it. The whole product looks like a red version of the green experiment most of which transitioned to mother Delta.[E
130 Hatbutton : I flew VX finally to see how it was. I get the whole customer service thing. But I've non-reved on my airline AS since I was able to walk (my dad wor
131 LAXintl : Be glad to. Foreign ownership, and access to foreign capital would likely in my opinion very much have aided US airlines by being able to more closel
132 TN757Flyer : Having flown both airlines, I think they both excel at what they do although AS has slipped a little in recent years. I do agree that AS finally has
133 Hatbutton : I agree. This year has been better. We've posted the highest customer satisfaction numbers we've seen consecutively in a while and our on-time perfor
134 SAN787 : That's the right attitude! Kudos for getting your point across in a positive manner.
135 Aviators99 : Hatbutton, let me start out by saying that both of your posts in this thread are great. I hope the EA CO AS learns something from your attitude, as hi
136 BOStonsox : I wonder if they are going to give BOS a try. B6 pulled out of BOS-SJC and BOS-SFO and delayed their BOS-LAX flights. Do they think they can make it w
137 Hatbutton : Point taken. I didn't get to sit in first when I flew VX so I can't really comment on how it was. But our first class cabin is one thing I always hop
138 TN757Flyer : Ditto that. It's much easier to respect someone personally and their employer indirectly when they display this type of attitude as opposed to that o
139 Aviators99 : I agree, but don't forget the early adopter/techie factor. These people fly/flew AS more often than UA because of AS's flights to SJC as opposed to S
140 DIA77 : MIA-DEN would be great news. Seems fairly underserved right now.....
141 Live2fly83 : ? anyway, you quoted me out of context- thats all MARKETING not financing
142 Hrvhow1 : Hello All, Just a note. I was advised that VX Chicago start up may have been put on hold. The reason may be the lack of available gates at ORD. Its be
143 Par13del : I watched a documentary on the Discovery Channel on the sea port of Los Angeles, it showed huge container ships coming in from China and other Asian
144 TN757Flyer : It would not be surprising if true. Better pay rent on an unused gate than lose customers to a potential rival. B6 does not seem to be doing as well
145 United1 : Well there was only one unused gate in the entire airport....
146 MAH4546 : There is no competition on MIA-LAX (or MIA-SFO). AA is the only airline, with seven daily non-stops. B6 also tried BOS-SJC and BOS-SFO and failed. Do
147 SAN787 : Ahhh, nice to see this rumor turn into reality. Can't wait to see the VX experience in a terminal. Champagne bar and snacks for everyone in the gate a
148 EIPremier : I'm in the same situation as you...SFO is 25-35 minutes away (depending on traffic) and SJC is 20-30 minutes away. The ONLY reason I have been flying
149 DTWAGENT : Would be nice to see them here in DTW. I did a pricing the other day for a client going from LAX to JFK and in first class. And the price was lower th
150 FWAERJ : Are there any gates at ORD that DL or NW are willing to give up after the merger (or did UA and/or AA gobble up those, too)? Right now, DL operates o
151 WesternA318 : Thaats the best news Ive heard in a VERY long time..
152 BOStonsox : I thought UA flew that route, but after checking, I see that they don't. Interesting. I also noticed that I erred a bit. I meant to say from the Miam
153 MAH4546 : It's not all the same people. It's the same leisure travelers, but business travelers are taking MIA-SFO, not FLL-OAK. Miami is the perfect market fo
154 SWASFLA : I don't see VX coming to MIA anytime soon. They need to get everything in order before they add anymore cities. They will add cities but not MIA not a
155 Post contains links MAH4546 : Do you know something Virgin America doesn't? Virgin America hasn't even kept it a secret that Miami is on top of their list, with Boston and Chicago
156 LAxintl : I agree with MAH4546 that Miami in many ways is a near perfect market for Virgin America's branding and marketing personality. The carrier very much f
157 Ikramerica : They cut that route a while ago.
158 SWASFLA : YeahBush has made it no secret that he wants to drill for oil in Alaska, and the Cubs have made it no secret that they want to win the world series b
159 Phatfarmlines : It's Independence Air-itis all over again at the spoke cities. I guess marketing must not be valued at the spoke cities.
160 Aviators99 : You are really out on a limb, here. I believe that all three of these things are very possible in the near future.
161 Philly65 : What is the latest with VX? They have been relatively quiet for a while. No new cities, etc... What is going on? Inquiring minds want to know!!
162 MAH4546 : Well, unlike those two things, Virgin America at MIA will be happening in 2009. One out of three isn't bad.
163 InTheSky74 : I just hope VX makes it to open MIA, BOS and ORD... I'm sure they are bleeding money (like most airlines now), and they can't keep that going on forev
164 MAH4546 : I personally think they will make it, but I'm probably not in the majority.
165 Aviators99 : Well, there is pretty much widespread support for domestic drilling right now, and the Cubs have clinched a playoff spot by a wide margin...
166 Post contains links LAXintl : They just racked up another award. http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/080924/150956.html
167 Luv2fly : Awards are great and congratulations on winning.
168 SWASFLA : I didn't know they flew on enough routes to get the award?
169 Ikramerica : They don't. But Conde Nast gives a lot of awards to airlines that "don't fly there."
170 Lono : Back in the 70's AS almost went bankrupt and out of business.... they were able to persuade the CAB to make WA leave SE Alaska ... and then they were
171 Malaysia : But Wien Air Alaska vanished
172 LACA773 : At ORD,maybe they can negoiate with DL to move NW down the concourse (if that's logical to do), so they can sublease a gate or two to VX from the curr
173 Lono : Ummm no Wien was bigger than AS at that point... Wien did not go away until 84... This was in the 70's
174 Malaysia : I mean in current existence not the time frame. AS is here, Wien is not here. VX needs to see HNL sometime, might be nice
175 BOStonsox : Okay, I can see that. But I think it may depend on the location in the metro area where the business passengers are coming from and going to. For ins
176 Lambert747 : Where is "there"? Alaska, Hawaiian, and Aloha won awards and continue to win awards (bar aside AQ), so were they not flying "there" enough to recieve
177 Aviators99 : From my VX FAQ on flyertalk: As of October 1, 2008, Virgin America's frequent flyer program (called elevate) allows earning of points and redemption o
178 BigGSFO : I hope to PDX in their system in 2009.
179 Ikramerica : You are making my point. A lot of these magazines reward airlines with limited route structures and penalize the airlines that fly to the "less glamo
180 Viasa : Virgin America has sold three delivery items to other carriers. 3780 A320-214 N639VA NTU --> now for Bulgaria Air 3786 A320-214 N640VA NTU --> now for
181 SAN787 : They were right on the ball. From what I taken from it, elevate members receive 9.3% back toward future flights. $456 gets you 2280 points (at 5 poin
182 SWASFLA : I am suprised they made it public and didn't try to keep it a secret...LOL
183 HapppyLandings : When are(were) they due to be delivered?
184 Aviators99 : Yes, and in fact, the exchange rate is *not published*, so they can really control it. It just happens that the 0.0215 rate is what it is right now i
185 LACA773 : Is VX scheduled to received any new a/c this year? Next year?
186 Viasa : It wasn't an public information. Airbus report that MSN 3780, 3786, 3823 where destinated to FB and SU. In older reports this three planes were order
187 Post contains links Aviators99 : http://www.pbs.org/nbr/site/onair/gharib/081010_gharib/
188 SAN787 : Branson started and executed Virgin Atlantic scraping for cash, fighting head to head with BA's leadership during a challenging economic time. Sounds
189 Aviators99 : In 10 years there may *be* only 3 domestic airlines
190 TN757Flyer : They've been saying this since deregulation. While I certainly agree there will be fewer players in the long run, between legacies (I hate this word)
191 Aviators99 : I agree. I was just using a bit of hyperbole (note the winky).
192 Olympic472 : He may have to. Isn't there a 25% limit on Branson's investment in the airline? Anything more will be in violation of US laws. Bank loans or a US bas
193 Aviators99 : Shouldn't he be able to give his own loan if it's not for equity?
194 Olympic472 : This is a possibility that the lawyers in this forum may share some insight into. For me to invest without any equity I will have to consider very se
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