Maxisno1 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2007, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 22948 times:
Was it really necessary to get an A340? A bit O.T.T. Looks like her majesty needs to travel in style. If P. Diddy can't afford to fly in a little private jet that cost two hundred grand for a return trip from JFK to LAX then I have to wonder what the price is to run this baby. Then again Is Jordan one of those oil-rich countries? Looks like it.
ExecJet From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 21431 times:
Ultimately, it's all about showing off, isn't it? "My one's bigger than yours". That and the King obviously needs a fair bit of room to stretch his legs - the A340-200 which he had just isn't quite big enough
Par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 8606 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 21233 times:
If this is a new build a/c why all the windows, if its for the Royal's I would think the windows would re configured to work with the interior, how many windows do you need in your bedroom, boardroom, excersize room, conference room, kitchens etc. Not saying it should be like a cargo a/c but that sure looks like a regular pax config on the outside including all the exits for the number of pax carried in a civil configuration.
Now for the fun part, based on the length of the a/c, how much time do you save on arrival if you are in the front of the a/c versus the back?
Skyfellow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 21211 times:
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14): Why does the president of the US need a 747? He can get anywhere he wants to go with a BBJ.
Sure he can get anywhere in a BBJ.
If the President traveled by himself and his immediate family only, he would not need a 747. But if I'm not mistaken, support staff/security/journalists tallying 200+ will often accompany the President on official visits. I believe he brings his own vehicle too.
In contrast I'm not sure how the President gets to his ranch in Crawfordsville, TX or to his summer home in Kennybunkport, ME. You would think he would chose something smaller and more economical to fly for those kinds of visits. Maybe some of our fellow a.netters can fill us in on their observations in these locations.
ExecJet From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 21167 times:
Quoting HECA (Reply 18): The A346 doesn't seem to have the special security features of the A342 though:
I would have thought these may well be fitted whilst the interior is being outfitted. This will probably take quite some time, presumably at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, but maybe Jet Aviation in Basel.
Any views expressed are my own, not those of my employer
EK345 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 20503 times:
Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 17): Why does Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud need a 747 and an A380 with a $58 milllion dollar gold leaf paint job? Makes me happy to see what $4/gal gas is paying for.
Do your homework before making assumptions. The truth is that he started by a $30,000 loan from his father and a $300,000 mortgage on his house. He initially brokered deals with foreign firms wishing to do business in Saudi Arabia, and made most of his wealth through the stock market and very wise investments. He did not acquire his wealth through your $4 contributions at the pump.
If someone works hard and makes a lot of money in return for their hard work, then they should be free to spend it as they wish. I don't mind that he is getting his own A380... good for him! He is more of a role model to me rather than someone I should hate and despise due to his success.
AirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 19927 times:
Quoting Maxisno1 (Reply 5): Was it really necessary to get an A340? A bit O.T.T. Looks like her majesty needs to travel in style. If P. Diddy can't afford to fly in a little private jet that cost two hundred grand for a return trip from JFK to LAX then I have to wonder what the price is to run this baby. Then again Is Jordan one of those oil-rich countries? Looks like it.
Slight correction....you mean the KING of Jordan.
However, strange post really as when criticising the need for what YOU think is OTT you apparently don't even know that Jordan is not an oil producing country at all. So why criticise when you don't even know basic facts
: I believe that the POTUS uses a Military Helicopter for short distances like that. There are also other a/c in the Air Force and Navy that the POTUS
: I suppose this aircraft won't be delivered in time for the upcoming UN General Assembly in New York? So with the A340-200 in active how will the deleg
: I expect quite possibly an A318/A319 will be used...
: That is one loooooooooooooooooong jet! I bet the livery has something to do with it appearing longer than usual!
: IIRC the A342 had the missile protection system fitted at LHT.
: That's his majesty, King Abdullah II. Nope. Jordan is very poor when it comes to minerals. It's Crawford, not Crawfordville. Yes, but the problem is,
: Sorry. Thanks for correcting me. But is it so that other aircraft used by the President are not equipped with similar communication and security devi
: Actually most places the president goes, there are usually 1 or 2 C-5 Galaxies that arrive beforehand with the presidential motorcade, support vehicl
: Thanks for the clarification. I realize it could be quite a circus when our President ventures out on an official visit. I never did know, however, t
: Impressive. We send our leaders off on old Boeing 707s or commercial flights.
: I presume that the aircraft chosen for AF1 that day would be able to get in...In fact, Air Force One will always be ready to go no matter what plane
: Maybe in Israel they do. But obviously in Jordan a new trend has emerged and a trend somewhat consistent with how we know it here in the US. From now
: so inflation is rising like there is no tom in Jordan, the very few rich get so much richer while the majority of the population will suffer horribly
: Well they do have the C-32A's and even a fleet of Marine Helicopters. It's not hard at all and everytime he travels, it doesn't mean he is using the
: Truly disgusting. What kind of person has a ego so huge that it requires such an aircraft to hold it?
: Wow I don't remember seeing so many ignorant posts in such a short thread. Please do some homework before spouting off ignorant remarks. Having said
: Regarding the VIP A340-200 JY-ABH, is this aircraft being readied now for the mainline Royal Jordanian Airlines fleet?
: Nope, currently stored in HAM, see also reply 23:
: Any chance that thing will be doing commercial flights? Was the former A342 ever used commercially, or was it stricly Royal family related VIP stuff?
: What?????? Pot and Kettle springs to mind. He is the head of State, and decides to travel using a large jetliner, rather than on Commercial flights.
: You know what they say about assumptions... It looks as though you wrongly assumed that just because one of these two ego maniacs came from my own co
: I certainly did make an assumption, and for that I apologise. I for one am proud of the way that our Prime Minster and Royal family tend to travel on
: Best reply i see in this topic Prince Alwaleed in amazing, he is always unique. Although he is not the richest man in the world but he in reality act
: The governments and importance of both nations is apples to oranges on a GLOBAL scale. Let's put things into perspective here my friend. This is boun
: I have said earlier, that II have absolutely no issue with the entourage that GWB carries with him, or with the fact that Jordan has a new State Tran
: I have said earlier, that I have absolutely no issue with the entourage that GWB carries with him (my taxes did not go to pay for it), or with the fa
: now iknow what a usairways a340-600 would look like in the old colors.
: There is nothing on the 747 that couldn't be put on a 737 as far as communications and security. The only reason the president of the US uses a 747 i
: I had the same thought. Was this aircraft originally ordered as a VIP aircraft or was it perhaps originally ordered by another airline and cancelled?
: That is totally, TOTALLY wrong. There are a number of things on AF1 that would take up too much space in a 737. You must have not seen the AF1 specia
: What good would a missile detection system do on a A340? Do they plan on doing barrel rolls? Whether or not they are an oil producing country is irre
: Actually, it isn't a good point because he has a very large number of things that HAS to travel with him. Press Corp, Security, Advisors, etc. Plus,
: So you are aware of all the communication & security provisions of Air Force One? Im certain the Secret Service would enjoy talking to you for a bit.
: I think we need to realize that the President of the United States travels with a lot of staff on just about any visit. So the 747 that he flies is n
: Partner, you haven't been paying attention to your cable tv channels have you? http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=145690
: Looks like an interesting feature. I am not big when it comes to TV, but should I come across this one, I would stop flipping and watch.
: Precisely. Both AF1's are able to carry no more than 80 people on board as well. It's not like a typical 747 carrying 300 people across the pacific.
: Please don't say soon Obama...it makes my head hurt just thinking about it
: http://www.history.com/minisites/air-force-one This is a great show! http://www.history.com/minisites/air-force-one
: The USAF quotes their capacity as 26 crew and 102 passengers. http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=131
: Well I stand corrected then. I don't know where I got the "80" from, but I thought I heard it on the AF1 special on Monday they had last week on tv.