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DL Upgrades CMH-ATL In Nov  
User currently offlineMiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 590 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4696 times:

Delta is back to mostly mainline on CMH-ATL come November.

1- 757
5- MD-88
1 - E-75 Shuttle America

Also to note Airtran is starting service from CMH-ATL with 2 flights in Nov along with a nonstop CMH-MCO and CMH-RSW as well

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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2455 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Finally... Last month I was supposed to fly CMH-ATL-PBI on the first flight of the day which was oversold. I volunteered and got my flights changed to CMH-ATL-MIA leaving CMH on the 12pm flight. There were two more flights to ATL between 8am and 12pm which also were oversold. The agent told me that each and every day they have at least 4 oversold flights. So it was about time DL realizes that CMH needs more capacity...

User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3784 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 4576 times:

With fuel prices the way they are, I thought we'd be stuck with RJs (albeit 70 seaters) for the forseeable future & the days of mostly mainline (and the 757) were done. Then FL came in & I wondered if this would happen, but I figured they were done upgrading when they went to 3 MD-88s & a combination of E-175s, E-170s & CR7s.

1 757, 5 M88s...that's like a pre-9/11-mid 2000s CMH schedule!

[Edited 2008-08-31 06:52:50]


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User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 993 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

More good news for CMH in regards to increased capacity. Airport is suffering double digit declines in numbers from last year due to the Skybus disaster.

Should have better upgrade chances as well.



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

Anyone remember taking the 75's to CVG? Wow, those were the days...


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6618 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4385 times:



Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 3):
More good news for CMH in regards to increased capacity. Airport is suffering double digit declines in numbers from last year due to the Skybus disaster.

Until DL floods FL out and FL leaves and then all the capacity goes away again.


User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3784 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4360 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 4):
Anyone remember taking the 75's to CVG? Wow, those were the days...

That was the first thing I checked after reading this thread, to see if maybe it came in from CVG. The last time I got to do CMH-CVG on a 757 was summer 2004, right before the 75s were pulled from CMH. Even today, you can still take a 738 CMH-CVG.

I'm just glad we'll see the 75 in CMH again. Now let's hope it lasts.



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

We may as well just call this the 'Airtran Effect'

User currently offlineJoePatroni From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4257 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 4):
Anyone remember taking the 75's to CVG? Wow, those were the days...

YES!!! That was such a great flight!

Well, good news to CMH. I got really caught my aviation bug at CMH while living in Columbus so I'm really happy to see some decent service back to that airport. Although it's been a long time since I've been there, I'm happy to know that the 757 will return!

JP



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User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3784 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4226 times:



Quoting JoePatroni (Reply 8):
I'm happy to know that the 757 will return!

Is UA still running a 757 DEN-CMH-ORD? That would make two airlines all of a sudden with DL's addition.



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User currently offlinePeachair From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4140 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
Until DL floods FL out and FL leaves and then all the capacity goes away again.



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 7):
We may as well just call this the 'Airtran Effect'

DL did the same thing when Jetblue tried LGB-ATL.

They flooded the ATL-LAX market with15 flights a day - until Jetblue pulled out...


User currently offlineDavid21487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3732 times:



Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 9):
Is UA still running a 757 DEN-CMH-ORD?

I believe that the UA 757-200 service has been seasonal for quite some time now. You see them occasionally, but not everyday.

Also, on 9/14, there will be a DL 757-200 commig through CMH.

-----DL9690 departs LAX at 8:00am and arrives CMH at 3:30pm
-----DL1695 departs CMH at 4:20pm and arrives ATL at 5:59pm

DL9690 is an extra section for some reason. The scheduled LAX-CMH service has ended for the season. DL1695 is usually MD-88 equipment.



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User currently offline44k From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

UA 371 CMH-ORD is a 757 on 5 days of the week if i'm not mistaken. I believe its a seasonal upgrade, though.

Good for DL (Although the move has to be FL oriented). It seems like just about every airline is expanding at CMH, except AA. It's sad to see AA cut CMH so drastically in November, while others are expanding...


User currently offlineWESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

Good news for CMH it'll be nice to have all the MDs and a 757 going in there.


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User currently offlineAirOne From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

Hi,

The extra DL segment from LAX to CMH on Sunday might be a charter related to the Ohio State vs. USC football game that weekend.

AirOne


User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3671 times:

CMH needs air service badly. I hope Airtran and DL keeps these flights and not leave CMH without any service.

Chuck


User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3784 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting 44k (Reply 12):
It seems like just about every airline is expanding at CMH, except AA. It's sad to see AA cut CMH so drastically in November, while others are expanding...

Unfortunately, DL has axed a good chunk of their other CMH service. It's down to ATL, CVG, LGA, JFK & BOS at this point. SLC service ends today.

Also, US (East) hasn't brought mainline into CMH in at least a year.

[Edited 2008-09-01 15:17:51]


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User currently offlinePortcolumbus From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1614 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3587 times:



Quoting David21487 (Reply 11):
Also, on 9/14, there will be a DL 757-200 commig through CMH.

-----DL9690 departs LAX at 8:00am and arrives CMH at 3:30pm
-----DL1695 departs CMH at 4:20pm and arrives ATL at 5:59pm

DL9690 is an extra section for some reason.

OSU-USC game is that Saturday 9/13, wonder if that's what it is.


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 3373 times:



Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 16):
Unfortunately, DL has axed a good chunk of their other CMH service. It's down to ATL, CVG, LGA, JFK & BOS at this point. SLC service ends today.

Actually, SLC service remains; it just doesn't run on Tuesdays and Saturdays. Equipment will still be a CR9.

In addition to the AirTran-induced aircraft upgrades, Delta's November schedule does include upgrades to other routes from CMH, most of which were published before AirTran's announcement of planned service into Columbus:

CMH-ATL

MONDAY 15 SEP:

3x M88
3x E70
1x CR2

MONDAY 17 NOV:

1x 752
5x M88
1x E70

CMH-CVG

MONDAY 15 SEP:

1x 738
2x CR2
3x ER4

MONDAY 17 NOV:

1x 738
1x CR7
2x CR2
2x ER4

CMH-BOS

MONDAY 15 SEP:

3x ER4

MONDAY 17 NOV:

3x ER4 (unchanged)

CMH-LGA

MONDAY 15 SEP:

4x ER4
1x CR2

MONDAY 17 NOV:

4x ER4
1x CR2 (unchanged)

CMH-JFK

MONDAY 15 SEP:

3x ER4
1x CR2

MONDAY 17 NOV:

3x ER4
1x CR9

CMH-SLC

MONDAY 15 SEP:

1x CR9

MONDAY 17 NOV:

1x CR9 (unchanged)

So overall, while CMH has lost a lot of point-to-point service from Delta, they seem to be at least somewhat making up for the loss in seats on the routes that remain.


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 3365 times:



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 7):
We may as well just call this the 'Airtran Effect'

Which, being interpreted, is:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
Until DL floods FL out and FL leaves and then all the capacity goes away again.

..."thanks" to the legalization of what are plainly predatory business tactics by U.S. legacy airlines, aimed squarely at eliminating competition and creating market monopolies, or at least oligopolies, in which "competition" exists only in theory.

Inasmuch as FlyPNS1 has it said it spot-on ...enjoy the party in Buckeyeland while it lasts, Deltoids ...it will be over as soon as Air Transient leaves town and your airline who is firmly ensconced on the "capacity must be reduced" bandwagon ends their hypocrisy in the CMH market.



Quoting Rojo (Reply 1):
The agent told me that each and every day they have at least 4 oversold flights. So it was about time DL realizes that CMH needs more capacity...

The "sheer coincidence" of DL's timing in announcing the return of (mostly) mainline service to CMH leaves no doubt that their decision has nothing to do with "at least 4 oversold flights" every day CMH-ATL.

On the other hand, it has everything to do with...



Quoting Miaami (Thread starter):
Airtran is starting service from CMH-ATL with 2 flights in Nov along with a nonstop CMH-MCO and CMH-RSW as well



User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23080 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 3363 times:



Quoting Peachair (Reply 10):

They flooded the ATL-LAX market with15 flights a day - until Jetblue pulled out...

You might make an argument that B6 itself and FL hurt B6 far more at ATL than did DL.

Of course, it's not surprising that DL would want to protect its turf, and for an outstation, CMH is a strong DL city. I imagine the two will coexist just fine, just like we see in most other cities outside the southeast.



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User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 3316 times:



Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 19):
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
Until DL floods FL out and FL leaves and then all the capacity goes away again.

..."thanks" to the legalization of what are plainly predatory business tactics by U.S. legacy airlines, aimed squarely at eliminating competition and creating market monopolies, or at least oligopolies, in which "competition" exists only in theory.

Inasmuch as FlyPNS1 has it said it spot-on ...enjoy the party in Buckeyeland while it lasts, Deltoids ...it will be over as soon as Air Transient leaves town and your airline who is firmly ensconced on the "capacity must be reduced" bandwagon ends their hypocrisy in the CMH market.

Ordinarily I would agree, however this scenario has already played out multiple times in the region with different results.

AirTran introduced service into Dayton several years ago. Delta, in response, dumped capacity, flying 4 757s into DAY at one time, as well as matching AirTran's fares. The market responded favorably to both carriers, and both remain. The same scenario has played out in Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, and to some extent, Detroit, where AirTran has infultrated a route monopolized by Delta (ATL), only to have Delta dump capacity and match fares in an effort to flood out the competition, but only to have more or less a stalemate ensue. It remains to be seen whether the same scenario will play out in Columbus, since the station lies geographically in the middle of several other AirTran cities: DAY, IND, FNT/DTW, CAK, and PIT, all of which also have service to more than just Atlanta.


User currently offlinePapatango From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 3302 times:



Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 18):

Actually from Atl ro CMH starts NOV 1


User currently offlineMichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 3268 times:



Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 21):
The same scenario has played out in Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, and to some extent, Detroit, where AirTran has infultrated a route monopolized by Delta (ATL), only to have Delta dump capacity and match fares in an effort to flood out the competition, but only to have more or less a stalemate ensue.

How did DL "monopolize" the DTW-ATL route?? I think you are forgetting about a certain large carrier at DTW.


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 3247 times:



Quoting Michman (Reply 23):
How did DL "monopolize" the DTW-ATL route?? I think you are forgetting about a certain large carrier at DTW.

That's why I said "to some extent." Yes, Northwest and Delta were competitors on the DTW-ATL route long before AirTran's arrival, however fares did not see much of an effect until AirTran's arrival in FNT and, later, in DTW.


25 FLFlyer : It appears DL chopped their service from CMH-MCO and FL is doing that one N/S.
26 Tango-Bravo : FlyCMH is not "forgetting about a certain large carrier at DTW" at all. DL and NW having DTW-ATL to themselves is one among many examples of... As Fl
27 SANFan : Here's the way the DL/FL contest played out in SAN. DL had a monopoly in the SAN-ATL market forever and did well in the city-pair -- usually running
28 DeltaRules : Anybody know how ValuJet did at CMH vs. Delta? ValuJet flew to CMH for several years during the '90s & from what I've read on here, did fairly well.
29 FlyCMH : Supposedly they did indeed do quite well from CMH. After Atlanta, Washington D.C. (IAD) was added and rumor was that Orlando and Boston would soon be
30 727forever : Turn about is fair play.
31 JohnClipper : I did CVG-CMH once in a 757...no more than 20,000 ft (I think the pilot said 16,000) and about 30 min. max. Flew over an ABX 767 coming into ILN.
32 Reltney : I still don't understand this(my) airline.. Delta owned CMH.. Even before America West pulled out we had the pax loads and good planes there and the b
33 FlyASAGuy2005 : Should have done the same with Leo M.
34 September11 : You flew Delta 762 to CMH! When was that? I flew on TWA 762 CMH-STL and STL-CMH. Did US ever flew a 752 to CMH? I was thinking CMH-PIT during early 1
35 FlyCMH : Delta's 762's visited CMH several times as aircraft substitution and during diversions due to weather in CVG. However, I don't think they were ever r
36 Post contains links FlyCMH : It looks like The Dispatch has caught wind of Delta's planned upguage in aircraft in Columbus as well as their matching of AirTran's fares: AIRTRAN CO
37 DeltaRules : I don't ever remember seeing 752s for US at CMH. Just a mix of about the rest of their fleet, with a mix of 737s, MD-80s, DC-9s, F28s/F100s, A319s &
38 DeltaRules : The mainline jets were always mostly full when I flew them, the lone exception I can remember being a 757 ATL-CMH flight I took that was maybe 1/3 fu
39 DeltaL1011man : And the rest was Leo. Man I hate that guy. hello Atlanta mega hub. DFW,LAX and PDX all got told the same thing.
40 Amwest2United : EA had the scheduled for a couple of months and US did as well from PIT. Will get the dates for US as soon as I get home. EA also had 2X daily A300 s
41 DeltaRules : According to departedflights.com's OAG listings, CMH saw a daily TWA L-1011 in the early '80s as well.
42 FLYjoe : Indeed, US did run 757s from PIT on occasion in the late 90s. IIRC, it would go on the schedule for a few months and the next schedule change, it was
43 DeltaRules : Wow, didn't know about US & the 757s into CMH. We flew US fairly often in the mid- to late-90s, too, so I don't know how I missed that.[Edited 2008-09
44 Miaami : At one time TWA had 3 daily L1011 flights out of CMH. ORD, LGA and MCI I believe. They also flew L1011's to LAX with a stop in IND and also to STL at
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