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Boeing 737-200 Crashes In Ecuador.  
User currently offlineRleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 498 posts, RR: 7
Posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 23759 times:

According to Organizacion de Rescate Humboldt a Boeing 737-200 registered as YV102T (ex Conviasa) crashed 30 Km from Lacatunga Airport. The airplane departed from CCS and it was operating a ferry flight in which only the crew (pilot and copilot) were onboard. Conviasa dropped the use of 737-200s, and this one was being delivered to its new operator.

Saludos,

Roberto.


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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 23635 times:

Another one. The third 737-200 crash in a week. Lets hope the crew survived (I assume no passengers on board).

30-year-old ex-Frontier/ex-UA aircraft.


User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3416 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 23625 times:
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Those 737-200 are gettinng old.


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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 23616 times:

An Aviation Herald its reported that 2 crew were on board and the wreckage has been found 20 km from Quito.

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 23447 times:



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 2):
Those 737-200 are gettinng old.

They are not getting old, they are old, and the majority operated by dubious airlines.
This marks the 106th recorded writeoff of a 737-200, to my knowledge an unrivalled, sad record among any airliner type currently operated.


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2570 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 23351 times:

I just hope they can find the crew alive....

Pic of the doomed 732


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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2240 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 23199 times:

Great.

Without a single shred of verifiable data or information from the incident, the -200 is now some sort of flying trash heap waiting to fall from the sky at any moment.

Quoting NA (Reply 1):
Another one. The third 737-200 crash in a week.



Quoting NA (Reply 1):
30-year-old ex-Frontier/ex-UA aircraft.



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 2):
Those 737-200 are gettinng old.



Quoting NA (Reply 4):
They are not getting old, they are old, and the majority operated by dubious airlines.
This marks the 106th recorded writeoff of a 737-200, to my knowledge an unrivalled, sad record among any airliner type currently operated.

Considering it's sales are unrivaled............



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3736 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 23138 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 6):
Without a single shred of verifiable data or information from the incident, the -200 is now some sort of flying trash heap

None of the posts lead to that conclusion. Stop being so defensive...

A.net is a bunch of people mature enough (well, mostly) so that no one draws those conclusions anymore.



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6383 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 23047 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 6):
Considering it's sales are unrivaled............

There were more 727-200 built than 737-200

Quoting NA (Reply 1):
The third 737-200 crash in a week.

Please forgive my ignorance. What were the other two? I only know of the Sanair crash, and AF 747 skidding off runway at YUL.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 23045 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 6):
Without a single shred of verifiable data or information from the incident, the -200 is now some sort of flying trash heap waiting to fall from the sky at any moment.

The reputation of aircraft does deteriorate over time because the planes themselves deteriorate, and the only people flying them after a long period of time are companies that can't afford anything newer and have spotty reputations and practices.

The 732 is starting to crash a lot because those not retired or scrapped are being shuffled off to the dregs of the aviation world...  Sad



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 22842 times:



Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 9):
Please forgive my ignorance. What were the other two? I only know of the Sanair crash, and AF 747 skidding off runway at YUL.

732 crash in Kyrgistan + 732 running of runway in Indonesia.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 22771 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 6):
Considering it's sales are unrivaled............

Unrivalled? 1114 were produced, and almost 1 in 10 have been lost in crashes and other accidents. And in the figure of 106 losses not even every landing accident with damage making the particular farme unworthy to repair is reported!
I´m only mentioning facts when I write that the 732 has the worst crash-recod, actually by far the worst, of all airliners in widespread use today.

No reason to get aggressive. I don´t hate the 732, even think its a cool-looking plane. But its time for final retirement for most of those still flying. That hundreds of newer 737 types will be sent to the deserts in the very near future might help. The 732 is now what the 707 was 10 years ago, past its time.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 9):
Please forgive my ignorance. What were the other two? I only know of the Sanair crash, and AF 747 skidding off runway at YUL.

1. 24.8. Itek Air 737-219 EX-009, crash near Bishkek with 68 victims.
2. 27.8. Sriwijaya 737-2H6 PK-CJG crashlanding
3. 31.8. Conviasa 737-291 crash near Quito

Makes three 732 writeoffs in one week.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
The 732 is starting to crash a lot because those not retired or scrapped are being shuffled off to the dregs of the aviation world...

That is not only the 732's fate. It never had a very good safety record, even when still built. When production ceased, there were already 35 frames lost. So it is not "starting to crash" now, although even if the numbers are dwindling, the crashes are rising due to age and lack of maintenance and other reasons. 3 or 4 are lost each year.


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 22698 times:

AR is coming-up on 40 years of uninterrupted 732 service without (touch wood) a single fatality...


How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 22671 times:

This crash could easily be a controlled flight into terrain one as Quito is surrounded by mountains and if the crew were unfamiliar with the terrain descended prematurely. This type of accident can happen to any plane. I fail to see any connection between this crash and the previous 2 ones besides the type involved.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 22548 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 13):
That is not only the 732's fate. It never had a very good safety record, even when still built. When production ceased, there were already 35 frames lost.

True, but from the era this plane comes from, that is not overly high.

We have become spoiled (luckily) in this era that all newer planes are so darn safe, but they just weren't back then. For the crashes that were mechanical, there were corrective measures put into place, ones that should make the same type of crash unlikely today even with the same model aircraft. Combined with less radar (or no radar) back then, policies that allowed for flying in dangerous weather we in the west no longer permit, etc., it also skews the numbers.

As has been pointed out, top tier airlines had flown the 732 for years in the 90s without a disproportionate number of crashes. Over the last 15 years, 732 crashes have all come from spotty carriers. And despite the ubiquity of the 737-200 series in the USA, only 5 accidents in 35+ years of USA based carriers lead to fatalities. At least from the information I have.



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User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 22439 times:

Hi everybody, sad news again, let's hope the best for the crew.
About the 732, i like it, flew many times in the noisy "chanchos" ( pigs ), and like any other aircraft, could last forever if you take care of it ( how many DC-3 are flying today after 70 years ? )... and if you don't put the plane in a CFIT...
However you always can have some details in the design, there are aircrafts more "easy to handle" against other models, but that can be a subjective matter, my two cents here : like in the vast majority of the 106 losses in the 732 history ( or in the aviation history ), it was not the aircraft's fault. Let's wait and see...


Saludos
G.



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User currently offlineSunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1759 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 22349 times:

It's been reported that the black box is very badly damaged by the fire.


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User currently offlinePliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 22259 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 12):
But its time for final retirement for most of those still flying.



Quoting NA (Reply 12):
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
The 732 is starting to crash a lot because those not retired or scrapped are being shuffled off to the dregs of the aviation world...

After reading the above posts, the most obvious caveat that should have been included appears below:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 17):
and like any other aircraft, could last forever if you take care of it (

How many of these dubious airlines maintain their 200s, let alone if they had brand spankin' new 800s......hose breaks near a fitting, don't replace it, cut the end, stretch the hose, crimp the fitting back on that your pried off the broken end....good as new....NOT!

Let's face it, what makes an airplane fly? Is it wings, lift, a competent crew, thrust, a bunch of science? Nope, money is what makes airplanes fly, and not spending it on mx is what makes them, aside from human errors, not fly.

Lots of this makes airplanes fly:

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User currently offlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2092 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 22250 times:



Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 17):
how many DC-3 are flying today after 70 years ?

OK, I know your question was somewhat rhetorical, but if you really wanted to know, the number is 182.



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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2598 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 22250 times:



Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 17):
how many DC-3 are flying today after 70 years ?

Sorry, you can't compare the two. The DC3 is not pressurized, so it doesn't have cycle limits. The DC3 can fly forever, the 737 can't. No modern pressurized airliner can.


User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6383 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 22210 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
and the only people flying them after a long period of time are companies that can't afford anything newer

Ever been to MSP or DTWBig grin



By the way, the grin does not infer that this situation is funny.



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 22129 times:

The 732 is starting to crash a lot because those not retired or scrapped are being shuffled off to the dregs of the aviation world... [/quote]

AGREED!

Quoting NA (Reply 12):
I´m only mentioning facts when I write that the 732 has the worst crash-recod, actually by far the worst, of all airliners in widespread use today.

Hmm can't seem to find the numbers to justify the "by far the worst" statement. the DC-9 seems to be close for example. And even if it were true the 737 series is the most popular airliner in the world...so it would make sense if the number was high especially after going to some shady operators latter in the A/C's life



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User currently offlineFalconBird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 22101 times:

Couple of airlines still flying the 732's in the USA.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Boeing-737-2L9-Adv/1262156/M/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Boeing-737-2K5-Adv/1363149/M/



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 22009 times:



Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 23):
And even if it were true the 737 series is the most popular airliner in the world

Were not talking about the 737 in general. Everyone knows the later versions built in far higher numbers do much better.
Read again what I wrote: Only 1114 737-200 were built, and 1 in 10 of them LOST, 1 in 10! If thats not a bad record, show me which type you think should feature last among common airliners of our time?
Unless anyone proofs me wrong, I´ll keep saying this again and again, always when yet another one falls from the sky: the 737-200 has the worst record of all airliners in widespread use today (ok, the 707 record is even worse, but there are only 1 or 2 still flying pax, so it doesn´t count anymore).


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 22660 times:
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Does anybody have any news about the pilots? I read here about how old the 732 was and how bad its record is.
But shouldn't we more care about the pilots, the human beings who might be dead?

I hope they are ok  pray 

WILCO737 (MD11F)
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25 A342 : Since when is pressurization the only factor contributing to fatigue? And an aircraft also has wings, which also suffer from fatigue (the C-130 comes
26 TDubJFK : I'd be curious as to the overall ratio of A320/A319 family crashes. Seems to me like there have been an awful lot of them (starting with the spectacu
27 Airportmanager : Getting back to the original topic, the AIRPLANE that crashed in Ecuador..... How the heck can they know. The plane was found 1 hour ago....... FROM T
28 Post contains links FlyingAY : Airsafe.com lists 8 (eight) fatal accidents for the whole A320 family. Considering the fact that there have been more than 3500 built, you can actual
29 BeechNut : There's nothing inherently wrong with the 737-200. The big issue is that now, there are no longer any mainline carriers flying them. They have now jus
30 Debonair : Any idea who was going to take over the B732?! I can just think of AeroGal or ICARO...
31 SOBHI51 : I said that the 737-200 are getting old and that's a fact or are you going to challenge that?
32 Irish251 : Your use of the term "falls from the sky" is straight out of the media lexicon and suggests that aircraft do literally just fall out of the sky. I wo
33 Airportmanager : We dont know this as of yet and bare in mind, MANY airlines have lately gone to SELT for C-Checks and theyre going either back to the same airline...
34 Sbworcs : " target=_blank>http://www.airsafe.com/events/models...d.htm At least 6 of those listed for the 737-100/200 appear to have been as a direct result of
35 RussianJet : Well, that is the link. Did anyone suggest a different one??
36 JBirdAV8r : You're absolutely right, but I have tried to argue that point in several previous threads, and the "experts" on A.net just keep on going...
37 FlyingAY : I believe all the airsafe.com statistics for all plane types include hijackings, pilot errors, etc. reasons that are not directly related to the airp
38 NA : Of cause the majority of 732 losses cannot be attributed to inherent faults. But thats the case of any other type since the early days of jet travel.
39 Gonzalo : Hi Wildcat, i'm not comparing the two models directly, i choose the DC-3 only for the age they have, my point is, if you take care of your aircraft,
40 Airportmanager : Perhaps a new topic should be made called WHY 737-200's fall, and Why airbus dont? hahahaha, Or something like that cause I think were diverting about
41 Summa767 : Airportmanager, you do well in bringing this thread back to its course. Thanks your latest info. I guess it will be a while before we know exactly wha
42 Upcfordcruiser : " target=_blank>http://www.airsafe.com/events/models...d.htm LOL I was wondering how long it would take someone to compare the entire family of A320'
43 Airportmanager : Now thats a confusing thing, no pictures or information of this plane, I guess well have to wait and see pictures:S Maybe it was resent conversion? L
44 Alessandro : All 100-series gone, how many 200-series still around?
45 DUALRATED : Yes another opportunity to try and smear the reputation of the best and popular airliner in the world!! Good point , I'm sure you would find that the
46 Gonzalo : Sad news... R.I.P. About the cargo config, probably a recent conversion required for the new operator, like other said, Conviasa don't have airplanes
47 Post contains links Bennett123 : http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20080830-0 This may be of interest.
48 Bennett123 : The aircraft is not new, but there again there are many just as old. Furthermore, there is no record of any previous crash for Conviasa, and most of i
49 Legoguy : Sad news about the pilots and mechanics not surviving. From the link above, it states the aircraft was 'stored for a while' in Caracas.
50 Post contains links Bennett123 : http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/ConViasa-destroyed-b737.htm Given that it only entered service with them on 01/04/2007 , It could not have been in
51 Blackbird1331 : You would think the buyer would have the plane inspected before handing over the check. Anyone have a guess as to how much the purchase price is for a
52 Post contains images DukeofDashes : I think JANET will be dissapointed you forgot about her:
53 Post contains links Airportmanager : Gonzalo, the terrain in the vicinity is a bit tough. Mountains all around, very high elevations perpendicular to the RWY or surrounding it. The proce
54 LVZXV : 310-320 still going strong, excluding combis and freighters (another 60-80 approx.). It's doing better than any other aircraft of its era. Saludos, Z
55 Rleiro : The media seems to be confusing about the purpose of the flight. Some sources said that it was a cargo flight, while others assure that it was a ferry
56 Gonzalo : Thanks for the link and the description of the area. With this info it's almost clear one contributing factor to the crash was a NAV issue ( i'm not
57 Hmmmm... : The 737 was an impromptu design with a lot of compromises, rushed to market for a niche customer. As such, it was not Boeing's most thoughtfully devel
58 Birdbrainz : I agree. My father has over 10000 hrs in the 737-200, along with the 727, and a lot of military aircraft. He always marveled how easy it was to fly.
59 Jetfuel : Yes they are getting OLD. What many forget is that with age comes some very expensive maintenance. And MANY of these old birds are being operated by o
60 Teneriffe77 : Quoting Hmmmm... (reply 60): Sure Boeing sold a lot of 737s. Ford sold a lot of Pintos. AMC sold a lot of Gremlins. And MD did pretty well with the DC
61 777jaah : Agree. May their souls rest in peace. Please, keep this thread the way it should go. Let us all know all details about the crash, not statistics, oth
62 N53614 : Old planes are not at all unsafe, so long as it is maintained properly and all ADs are complied with.
63 WILCO737 : R.I.P. to the mechanic and the pilots WILCO737 (MD11F)
64 Post contains links Airportmanager : Exactly, I have made my own ASSUMPTIONS of what happened. I even dug up my dads old topographic maps!!! And started drawing conclusions with the char
65 WILCO737 : " target=_blank>http://www.noticias24.com/actualidad...ments That looks pretty bad. Man, how I hate seeing such pictures. WILCO737 (MD11F)
66 FlyingAY : Give me a break guys. My point was not to "smear the reputation" of any airliner. Boeing 737 has been in production so much longer than the A320 that
67 JohnKrist : Thanks for all your excellent info and updates Airportmanager! May the crew rest in peace. I love the old 737's, good looking and a sound that that is
68 Post contains links and images Rikkus67 : ...there-in lies the problem with your statement. The -200 is NOT used "wide-spread"! BUT...you can certainly get a second, third, forth+ hand airfra
69 Post contains links Ferengi80 : And in Europe... http://www.airliners.net/photo/Europ...rter/Boeing-737-229-Adv/1384526/M/ http://www.airliners.net/photo/Europ...rter/Boeing-737-229
70 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : The B-737-200s are no more likely to crash than other jets the same age. The DC-9 actually has had more crash events. But, to put this into contents,
71 Airportmanager : May we get back to the subject once again..... it would be best. Thank you. Now I wake up this morning to hear more things. They say there were a coup
72 UK_Dispatcher : You can still see the old United Airlines seat covers in the second pic.
73 RussianJet : How exactly is discussing the history, current usage of, and record of the type involved in this incident not relevant to the subject? Come on, this
74 Falstaff : Take a closer look at the list... The 737-100/200 is at the top of the Fatal Events Rate per one million flights, 33.53. When you put all the 737s to
75 Birdbrainz : Just wait until the A320NG has been in service 5-6 years, and the oldest 1st gen A320s are scooped up by small, obscure, inexperienced carriers all ov
76 MCOflyer : A couple of my best flights were on 732's. I'll miss those old JT8D's. May those pilots RIP and my prayers go to all families involved. Hunter
77 Alessandro : A319/A320/A312 vs B732, 19 vs 41 (if I counted right) hull losses during their 20 first years of operation, not flattering for the older plane.
78 HAWK21M : Age has nothing to do with safety.....Maintenance standards has...... regds MEL
79 LVZXV : Think about it: Both the A32S and the B732 have suffered on average one hull loss per year. Factor in the fact that the former has been around 20 yea
80 NEMA : I often wonder about this type of situation, does anyone have any inclination as to whether Boeing in this case for example, are happy at these agein
81 MIAMIx707 : What airline was this one going to? Airportmanager said it wasn't for ICARO, so that only leaves Aerogal RIP to the crew :/ Not to take this thread in
82 Smeg : I was thinking exactly the same thing and you beat me to it! Boeing must worry about all the 732's still flying in many countries, because the majori
83 Francoflier : Tha aircraft apparently belonged to Atlantic airlines of Honduras, and had been leased to Conviasa. Apparently, the lease had terminated. I don't know
84 Rleiro : The airplane was leased to Conviasa by Atlantic Airlines. It was a dry leasing, hence why the airplane was YV-registered. Apparently, the airplane was
85 NA : It is quite odd that former UA 735s from 1991 are being scrapped, while former UA 732s from 1975 keep flying, or in this case, until crashing. Grounde
86 MIAMIx707 : Actually looks like it was going to be delivered to Icaro, Icaro Express (that's according to skyliner.de) Didn't know Icaro had an express division.
87 Airportmanager : Once again, that information is false, the president of the airline has been on the news over 3 times stating this. The governor/mayor whatever, of L
88 Acheron : That won't stop the media from spreading said rumors as truths(given the nature of the airline, time of the year, etc), unfortunately, disrespecting
89 MIAMIx707 : Don't you think it is convenient to deny the crashed plane was going to HIS airline? Not that I'm doubting what you've heard or anything of course, s
90 HAWK21M : Any preliminary report out yet? regds MEL.
91 Babybus : Sad but true. We should be thankful that fatalities (if any) are minimal in this latest incident. Maybe it's time now to ground this model.
92 Rleiro : Some news from CCS about the crash: - The 737-200 was owned by Air Atlantic (Honduras). The airplane was dry-leased to Conviasa, but after some emerge
93 RussianJet : Why would you ground the type just because some companies fail to maintain and or operate their fleet safely? (not necessarily prejudging the causes
94 NA : Actually its not "some companies" that fail to maintain their 732s properly. It appears a large part of 732 operators have no sufficient money, there
95 RussianJet : Err, that's exactly the point I was implying. Was there part of my post you didn't understand?
96 Post contains links Airportmanager : Umm, Its simple, It was in the Media...... but it was a wrong statement by the people from SELT. You wanna know why there was a confusion!? Because t
97 MIAMIx707 : I see. It could even be the plane was going to be stored/broken up? If it's true Conviasa crews refused to fly it before because it had had problems i
98 YVRLTN : They dont fly 735's because the larger CFM engines are not so good for gravel and unprepared strips like the 732 with the smaller JT8D's. Any the onl
99 Airportmanager : LAtest news now is they found the Voice recorder, they had only found the Data recorder on Sunday, but they found all the rest last night. There were
100 MIAMIx707 : My bad yes the CL-44 was @ GYE not Latacunga, is it in one piece? full colors? How about at SELT, any 707s or any classics still in airline livery tha
101 Airportmanager : Well, we now have a pair of 727's, thats IT..... Both TAME, and nothing else. The other day I flew to SELT and I only saw that. Really gets boring, b
102 Leftcoaster : Ya they fly GCM - La Cieba charters now & then. I just saw one of the 732's take-off a few days ago. Apparantly these charters are notorious for bein
103 Viscount724 : At least a dozen Canadian airlines have operated the 732, including 76 purchased new from Boeing and quite a few acquired from other carriers, since
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