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SXM Landing Nearly Hits Bystanders?  
User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9599 times:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10530150

I can't actually view this video, I am in China at the moment and it appears the access to the liveleak link is blocked. I assume it is a typical press overreaction to a typical SXM landing but thought I would post it just in case it's more exciting than most

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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9577 times:

This video seems to be suddenly spreading across the internet, despite being over two years old. KLM don't even send the 747-400 to SXM at present.

User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1954 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9551 times:

This video has been brought up before...Its the one of the KLM 747 just barely clearing the fence..As SXM landings go, this one is as about as close as you can get without taking out that fence. Also the approach where the film pics up the action appears to be lower then most others..(just my opinion)

User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8876 times:

If you notice the verb tenses used by the journalist, this incident could have happened at any time in the past. Just because it's in today's edition people will think it happened yesterday.  Yeah sure

Newspapers write and print past stories with vague tenses all the time.

That must have sure been one slow news day!


User currently offlineLGBFltTrainer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8026 times:

Hey...it is, after all, SXM...this ain't a surprise, especially around here.

And, boy, would I love to be relaxing on Maho Beach when those babies come in low!



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User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

My fear is that the liberal press will get their hands on this and scream liability, either forcing a change in procedure or try to close the airport down all together, without even mentioning the age of this video.

Before you say this is to rash, consider what they did to the Concorde. Scary stuff to think about.



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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5837 times:

With sound.



georg


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5515 times:

Surprised I haven't seen this before if it's popped up around here on a few occassions--quite a low approach!

Quoting Manfredj (Reply 5):
the liberal press

 rotfl 

Quoting LGBFltTrainer (Reply 4):
And, boy, would I love to be relaxing on Maho Beach when those babies come in low!

Yes indeed.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 3):
Newspapers write and print past stories with vague tenses all the time.

I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd shown a video of a passenger L-1011 and used the same tense.

Anyways, cool video.



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User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5396 times:



Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 7):
Surprised I haven't seen this before if it's popped up around here on a few occassions--quite a low approach!

The lower the better..... Big grin, have spend over 6 weeks in total over the last 8 years at Maho Beach so I would say lower than usual but still far far away from the fence top... Big grin

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User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5312 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 1):
This video seems to be suddenly spreading across the internet, despite being over two years old. KLM don't even send the 747-400 to SXM at present.

so what metal are they flying into sxm ?



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

Wasn't this being investigated by KLM?

That is crazy low!


User currently offlineBoeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

...same landing as the following photo???..


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User currently offlineSJC4Me From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 375 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4048 times:



Quoting Boeing727 (Reply 11):
...same landing as the following photo???..

I don't think so because the 747 in the video touches down 2-3 seconds after clearing the fence. That photo seems to show a touchdown within 1 second of clearing.



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User currently offlineAvi8tir From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3963 times:
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Quoting SJC4Me (Reply 12):
I don't think so because the 747 in the video touches down 2-3 seconds after clearing the fence. That photo seems to show a touchdown within 1 second of clearing.

check the video again. the plane clearly touches down within 1 second of clearing the fence and appears to do so on the chevrons. IIRC, the video and the photo are of the same landing.



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

Quoting Avi8tir (Reply 13):

check the video again. the plane clearly touches down within 1 second of clearing the fence and appears to do so on the chevrons. IIRC, the video and the photo are of the same landing.

The view could be blocked by the guy with the white bag, but there don't appear to be any "fence huggers" in the video as there are in the photo. For that matter, the plane in the video clearly touches down beyond the chevrons--you can see the wheels hit the ground.

[Edited 2008-09-02 20:04:09]


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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3517 times:

Thank you for this thread, I hadn't seen it, great video!

That is very very low, pilots must have done it on purpose to go as low as possible. Probably about 6 feet or maybe even less from clearing the fence.


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

My guess is it was the first landing for a first officer, without a glide slope for guidance he/she just probably came in too low.

User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9118 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3203 times:
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Quoting 413X3 (Reply 16):
My guess is it was the first landing for a first officer, without a glide slope for guidance he/she just probably came in too low.

That is a pretty vague. Even if it is the 1st landing of the FO he shouldn't be so low. And the captain needs to say something if the FO gets too low.

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User currently offlineSandroZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3173 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 17):
That is a pretty vague. Even if it is the 1st landing of the FO he shouldn't be so low. And the captain needs to say something if the FO gets too low.

Especially since they touched down way before the threshold, which must not happen whatsoever (or at least that's what we're being taught).


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9118 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3146 times:
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Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 18):

Especially since they touched down way before the threshold, which must not happen whatsoever (or at least that's what we're being taught).

Well, it is called touchdown zone, because you have to touchdown in there. Not before and not behind it. If it looks like you won't touchdown there a go around is mandatory.

But back to the original topic...

he was pretty low indeed.

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User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

I sent an email to the editor of that paper, he responded as follows:

Thanks to everyone who pointed out this video was old. We downgraded it once we realized.

Paul Smith
nzherald.co.nz
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