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Extremely Short Runway 737  
User currently offlineF-100 From Netherlands, joined May 2000, 10 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3140 times:

On this site I found a picture of a Lauda air Boeing 737-300 landing at skiathos airport in greece. I've landed at zakynthos, kos and corfu but they all have runways of over 2000 metres. Skiathos airport has a runwaylenghth of 1570 metres (around 4700 feet). Are there strict load restrictions? And isn't it dangerous?

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User currently offlineGOT From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 1912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3059 times:

Maybe thay have wheight restrictions but I don't think that it's dangerous, pilots know what they're doing.

GOT



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 3034 times:

At a former airline I worked for, we ran 737-200s on short-hauls into a couple of 4,800-foot runways, and we had certain operational restrictions so as to maintain a safe operation. For instance, flaps-15 landings were prohibited (keeping us flaps-30 or -40), as were not being able to land if the runways were wet. Operative anti-skid and thrust reversers were required.

Having (and complying with) these restrictions made things interesting sometimes (like diverting due to a simple rainshower, nowhere near landing minimums, just because the runway was now wet), but we never had any major problems. Departing these places, we sure were not going on any long non-stop flights, and we had just enough takeoff weight (courtesy of the -17 engines) to get to our destinations about an hour away.

With the proper restrictions in place and complied with, operations into marginal airports can be just as safe as operating anywhere else..



User currently offlineSVG From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

I have been to Skiathos many times, and I’ve never been afraid during landing and take-off. The runway is very short and most aircrafts have to take-off with as little fuel as possible because of the weight. Most airlines choose to land at Thessaloniki for refueling. The 737-700 however can fly all the way to Norway without making any refueling stops. Skiathos also sees 757s and A321s during the busy summer season.

User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2985 times:
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UK Airlines use aircraft up to the size of the A321 on flights from the UK to Skiathos, but most carriers don't use anything larger than the A320/B737 into JSI.

Yes, there are of course load restrictions, which if you want to carry a full load of passengers - you can't normally carry enough fuel to reach the UK (around 4 hours flight away) For this reason, all return flights to the UK are scheduled to make an inbound tech stop for refuelling, most airlines use Thessalonika, but some flights stop in Athens or Limnos.


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Skiathos is an unforgiving airport, and individual airlines have their own restrictions and training requirements of the type OPNLguy mentioned

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User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3031 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Last summer, I went to Kos, Greece. The Boeing 737-400 from Virgin Express was fully loaded with passengers (charter flight), and the flights to and from Brussels took some 3,5 hours.

So, apparently, even a small airport such as Kos is able to handle heavy loaded jetliners. For instance, I even saw larger planes taking off, bound to the UK. Actually, as I'm writing, I remember a MD-11 from Martinair taking off, destination Holland. I wonder if they had a lot of unused runway left...  Wink/being sarcastic



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User currently offlinePW4084 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

Alaska Airlines operates 737-200 Combination freighters to Dutch Harbor, AK (PADU) which is 3900 feet long. I know they have restrictions but am not sure of the specifics. As of October 2000 they had 8 of these airplanes and they are a common site at many locations in Alaska. According to a .pdf file from their web page, they can vary the seating capacity of these aircraft between 26 and 111 seats depending on the amount of freight and useful load. If you've ever seen one of these jets land or take off from PADU, you'd agree that it is quite a sight!


-dan


User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3617 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

Mikonos JMK in greece has also a very small runway. While reaching the runway's end you think that you will fall in the sea, even with a 737-200. That's why Olympic operates with ATRs there.

User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6374 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

Every day year around the Faeroy Islands in the Atlantic Ocean is served by a Maersk Air 737-500 on its 1250m (4100 feet) runway. With severe weight restrictions, yes, sure. But it makes it with a hundred pax and fuel for a just over one and a half hour flight to Copenhagen.
Before the 737-500 came off the Seattle assembly line it was served by a 737-200.
The same route is also served by the local Atlantic Airways using a BAe 146, which is probably more fit for the job.
Best regards, Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineGo Around From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

My last airline we flew 737-400's into a 5000x100 foot airport. No approach lights or center line lights and ref speeds in the 140's if loaded and a wind additive. While a handful, it's certainly safe to do. You just have to find your touchdown spot, nail your airspeed, and stick it there, soft or hard. If you float or get high, don't be afraid to go around and do it again. Not too proud to say we did that a few times. Nightime in the rain and a crosswind, was certainly a challenge, but safe and within the performance limits of the plane.

User currently offlineKALB From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 573 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

Go Around, was that Alaska Airlines? I don't think USAirways operates into airstrips that short, and they are the only other US main line carrier that operates the 400.

User currently offlineFP_v2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

How would you rate a 6000' runway with an ILS?, would there be any weight/weather restrictions(737)?

User currently offlineMit From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

According to the Boeing BBJ site, the BBJ (a 73G with roughly 738 max weight) can land in 3,200 feet and take off in 6,100 feet at max weight. So 6,000 feet should suffice for almost any operations unless hot or high.

User currently offlineGo Around From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

Pro Air flew -400's our of Detroit City Airport, 5000x100.

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