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Phantom 747 Over Georgia (Near Russia)  
User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1107 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7442 times:

I was recently googling Georgia to see if there are some new images from the recent war. As I was scanning along I noticed a long line running east to west. Upon zooming in, I saw it was contrails and it turned out that the contrails started near the coast.

So, of course I zoomed in to see what type of AC it was and lo and behold I see two. See below.

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As we can see, there appear to be two aircraft. One "white" 747 and another 4-engined aircraft. Are these the same and the result of some optical illusion? It sure seems to me like the contrails are different enough.

Here are the google map coordinates.
Google coordinates


If you zoom in you can clearly see the "top" AC. It almost looks to me like the second one is a B52. Am I going crazy?

Let me know what you think.

iwok

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User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7428 times:

This phenomenon has been posted in other forums online. Apparently it is an artefact caused by the way the images are compiled from the sat images.

User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7377 times:



Quoting Bramble (Reply 1):
This phenomenon has been posted in other forums online. Apparently it is an artefact caused by the way the images are compiled from the sat images

Hi Bramble, thanks for the quick reply. My original though about some sinister second aircraft was baseless... Oh well.

Any idea what the aircraft is?

iwok


User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1635 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6934 times:

Diverting slightly off topic....

Completely co-incidentally and perhaps bizarrely, whilst "Google Earth-ing" earlier today, I came across exactly the same co-ordinates - I'd wondered what the aircraft was too (have seen the duplicate images previously though).

Wonder what the chances of two people, from the same site, finding the same situation on the same day are?

Anyway, thanks Iwok.. saved me (maybe) asking the same question.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6847 times:



Quoting Iwok (Thread starter):
I was recently googling Georgia to see if there are some new images from the recent war.

Also.. don't count on finding recent Google updates. It looks as they they only revise images every 4-6 years. Pictures of my parents house were taken in spring of 2002



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User currently offlineBriboy From Canada, joined Jul 2001, 358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6273 times:

Well, you will find Google's imagery much more up-to-date after the launch of GoogleSat  Wink

Actually, Google bought a bunch of imaging on GeoEye-1, which will be launched in a few days.



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6102 times:

This got me wondering, are there any google earth images of Air Force 1? Either in the air or on the ground?

User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6078 times:
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Quoting Iwok (Thread starter):
One "white" 747 and another 4-engined aircraft

Almost definatley a -400 given wiglets and length of upper deck. The only livery feature I could see is the black tail. Given it's location, could this be a Singapore 747-400 en route between Singapore and Europe? From above you might not see the fuselage livery?

A long shot, I know.

Sandyb123



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5995 times:



Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 7):
could this be a Singapore 747-400 en route between Singapore and Europe?

Or LH.



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User currently offlineSashA From Russia, joined May 1999, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5725 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 4):
Also.. don't count on finding recent Google updates. It looks as they they only revise images every 4-6 years. Pictures of my parents house were taken in spring of 2002

It depends on the area. Less densely populated areas and areas without famous landmarks.. or military targets that may be of interest to USA are quite from far back in time. However larger cities and interesting objects do get a frequent refresh  . Just check out how detailed Moscow is.

The plane indeed looks like 747-400 as previously suggested. If it the phantom feature wasn't explained by collation of sat images, I'd speculate that the second plane could well have been a B-52... somehow flown close to a 747 perhaps to masquerade on radar systems as a single 747?? This is crzay I know... but would such a technique work if it came to it?

[Edited 2008-09-02 17:29:36]


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User currently offlineGoAlaska From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5021 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 6):
This got me wondering, are there any google earth images of Air Force 1? Either in the air or on the ground?

on google earth that is on my computer air force one is parked at yuma arizona KYUM. i make no promises that others are the same though


User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2458 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

to me i think its the same plane, the plane chasing its own shadow that is cast onto the clouds below it!

check out the clouds and the angle at which there shadow is cast on the ground, the angle is the same for the 747 on the clouds below it!

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[Edited 2008-09-02 19:36:36]


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User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3974 times:



Quoting Bramble (Reply 1):
This phenomenon has been posted in other forums online. Apparently it is an artefact caused by the way the images are compiled from the sat images.

Go look at LGA Rwy 31 you will see something like 4 aircraft total, on final or on the runway at the same time!



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User currently offlineMidEx216 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

I don't believe this is actually two aircraft. However, I also don't think it's the other commonly found "phenomenon" of one plane appearing more than once, as those are normally sequential images, and this duplicate is clearly not in series.

Rather, I believe that it's a reflection of the original plane on the clouds below. As the sun shines at an object (in this case, the plane) it can cast a shadow, but as distance increases between the object and the surface the shadow would be cast upon, the shadow fades. That gives space for this next natural phenomenon to take place; as light goes past, through, or around an object, it's spreads out, in this case, causing a bright spot in the shape of the plane it just bent around. That is my best explanation for what is going on here.

Whether or not that idea is correct, I can guarantee one thing: the "second" plane is NOT a B-52.



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

I just looked at the Georgia pic on google earth (the app) and when you look at the second aircraft it looks like the reflection through the clouds almost making like a rainbow image of the plane

User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2125 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

The shadow / reflection theory, is certainly plausible, but why couldn't it just be two separate 747s flying the same track with (say) 2000 feet vertical separation? For example a Singapore Airlines (upper) and a Korean Air (lower).


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User currently offlineLEEDS19 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

I find Google earth very confusing sometimes,for example at Tokyo HND you have very high definition and the same MD-90 Aircraft can be seen parked at the JAL Terminal and also at the west side maint area.JA8062 can be read off the top of the wings on both aircraft yet there is no other obvious evidence that it is a composition of photos.

User currently offlinePtugarin From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1732 times:

I flew on a BA 747 from LHR to BKK couple months ago, and I believe we went through Georgia, so pretty much any airline that flies from Western Europe to Southeast Asia could be suspect.

User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1543 times:



Quoting GoAlaska (Reply 10):
on google earth that is on my computer air force one is parked at yuma arizona KYUM. i make no promises that others are the same though

Yes I do have the same AF 1 at YUM too on my googleearth, and if you zoom in, Google now has a feature on bottom giving the date of the image area, says May 16 2006



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

The date for the 747-400 over Georgia was May 27 2005


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User currently offline747LUVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

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Reply 6, posted Tue Sep 2 2008 18:26:19 your local time (1 day 5 minutes ago) and read 4667 times:


This got me wondering, are there any google earth images of Air Force 1? Either in the air or on the ground?


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AF1 is used to be parked at CLE on googlemaps.


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