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CRJ-1000 Flies For The First Time Today  
User currently offlineYULspotter From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 18210 times:

Just a note to those interested that the CRJ-1000 has apparently made it very first flight today at YMX. I guess this means that they got all the bugs out of the fly-by-wire system.

Link to a news report can be found below. It's in french under the title "Le p'tit-gros nouveau de Bombardier s'envole!" Translated it means Bombardier's new big-little plane takes to the skies.

http://blogue.canoe.com/

YULspotter

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User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1881 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 18042 times:

Curious if bombardier is offering this aircraft with an Aft galley, and or an aft pax/service door?

I would imagine it would be difficult. Wouldn't aft doors require a slide? I assume it sits at least as high in the back as the 900s do, however I did read there are some changes to the landing gear so maybe not. Additionally weight and balance may be an issue to have an aft galley...

Any info?


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4298 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17770 times:

Another plane I wouldn't want to get stuck in! 100 people in an RJ - yikes!


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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17721 times:
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Not a word about it at Bombardier.com. Will they wait until the aircraft has landed safely before they announce first flight? It is supposed to last three hours, an earlier statement said...


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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17616 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 2):
Another plane I wouldn't want to get stuck in! 100 people in an RJ - yikes!

I know there's debate over whether it's really a "regional jet," but JetBlue's E190 also has 100 seats, though it's probably a larger plane size-wise overall. (Galleys and lavatories both forward and aft.)



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User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1881 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17471 times:

Why we are on it, how much wider is the maximum fuselage cross-section (not cabin) compared to the maximum fuselage cross-section on the CRJs?

Does anyone know how much wing area the 190 has? I know the span is something like 94' which is about like a 733-5.

Couldn't find how high a 737 sits with average strut extension, but I'm guessing the 190 is higher off the ground (at the door siel) than the MDs.

Any comments?


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7566 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17361 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 4):
I know there's debate over whether it's really a "regional jet," but JetBlue's E190 also has 100 seats, though it's probably a larger plane size-wise overall. (Galleys and lavatories both forward and aft.)

Indeed the E190, and E175 for that matter is much larger feeling than the CRJ-900 NG, I would rather much fly on a E170-195 anytime over a CRJ of any sorts. Atleast i can full stand up in the Embraer's, though id much rather see Bombardier just drop the stupid CRJ-1000 in favor of just focusing on the C Series which will be the size of a DC-9 cabin, much nicer!



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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17318 times:



Quoting YULspotter (Thread starter):
Just a note to those interested that the CRJ-1000 has apparently made it very first flight today at YMX.

Congrats to the program.  champagne 

Quoting Flyboy80 (Reply 5):
Why we are on it, how much wider is the maximum fuselage cross-section (not cabin) compared to the maximum fuselage cross-section on the CRJs?

Does anyone know how much wing area the 190 has?

The E-Jets family has a maximum fuselage width of 9 ft 11 in (3.01 m) or interior width of 9 ft 0 in (2.74 m)
http://www.embraercommercialjets.com...mb_190.asp?tela=weights_dimensions
The CRJ family has a maximum fuselage width of 8 ft 10 in (2.69 m) or interior width of 8 ft 5 in (2.57 m)
http://www.crj.bombardier.com/CRJ/en...ifications.jsp?langId=en&crjId=900

So the E-Jets are over a foot wider, and have about 7 in extra room in the interior. I searched high and low and couldn't find the total wing area for the E190, sorry.



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4298 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17261 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 4):
I know there's debate over whether it's really a "regional jet," but JetBlue's E190 also has 100 seats, though it's probably a larger plane size-wise overall. (Galleys and lavatories both forward and aft.)

I know the technical definition depends on who you ask, but I can assure you that I have flown on both an E190 and a CRJ. No comparison! The E190 is not a big plane but it has real-sized seats and an aisle I can actually get up and use. While I'm picking, I'll also say that the windows are enormous on the E-jets! On a CRJ, it is cramped and definitely bus-like. In fact, I think Greyhound might just have more overhead compartment space! And I get a nasty crink in my neck trying to look out of the window of an RJ.

I realize that the newer generation RJs have better windows and better use of space onboard. But the basic dimensions are still horrible...



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User currently offlineYULspotter From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17253 times:

Flight Global now has a news story on the first flight:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...er-crj1000-takes-first-flight.html

YULspotter


User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1639 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17142 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 8):
I know the technical definition depends on who you ask, but I can assure you that I have flown on both an E190 and a CRJ. No comparison! The E190 is not a big plane but it has real-sized seats and an aisle I can actually get up and use. While I'm picking, I'll also say that the windows are enormous on the E-jets! On a CRJ, it is cramped and definitely bus-like. In fact, I think Greyhound might just have more overhead compartment space! And I get a nasty crink in my neck trying to look out of the window of an RJ.

I realize that the newer generation RJs have better windows and better use of space onboard. But the basic dimensions are still horrible...

I agree the -100/200 variants of the CRJ are not the most roomy but they are meant for short flights. Nor are the ERJ-135/145 variants although I do like the single seat and better window placement on them. If you are going to make a comparison with the EMB 170/190s at least try the CRJ-700/900 first. I find them much roomier with much better window placement. I'm 5'11" and had no trouble inside them. The EMB-170s too were great. Personally I have no troubles at all with any of the regional jets. They get the job done fast once up in the air.


User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17069 times:



Quoting Caribb (Reply 10):
you are going to make a comparison with the EMB 170/190s at least try the CRJ-700/900

I recently flew on a Comair CRJ900 and I didn't think it was bad at all; seats were very comfortable, 2x2 seating was nice, everything seemed very clean and new, and overall the plane was quiet with the engines in the back of the plane. The one note--and this could be due to Comair's seating configuration--is that the windows, while big, all seemed far forward, meaning I had to lean to look out. The flight landed in JFK and of course due to congestion we sat on the taxiway for another hour, and I have to say that the upgrade (initially a CRJ100) REALLY paid off!



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User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16831 times:

Which carriers have order this 100 seat version?

User currently offlineBravo1Six From Canada, joined Dec 2007, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 16134 times:



Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 12):
Which carriers have order this 100 seat version?

Brit Air
Adria
My Air
One undisclosed customer


User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15975 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 6):
Indeed the E190, and E175 for that matter is much larger feeling than the CRJ-900 NG, I would rather much fly on a E170-195 anytime over a CRJ of any sorts. Atleast i can full stand up in the Embraer's, though id much rather see Bombardier just drop the stupid CRJ-1000 in favor of just focusing on the C Series which will be the size of a DC-9 cabin, much nicer!

See comment below.

Quoting Caribb (Reply 10):
I agree the -100/200 variants of the CRJ are not the most roomy but they are meant for short flights. Nor are the ERJ-135/145 variants although I do like the single seat and better window placement on them. If you are going to make a comparison with the EMB 170/190s at least try the CRJ-700/900 first. I find them much roomier with much better window placement. I'm 5'11" and had no trouble inside them. The EMB-170s too were great. Personally I have no troubles at all with any of the regional jets. They get the job done fast once up in the air.

I've flown both the CRJ-705s on Jazz and both AC & UA E-jets, and I don't see all that much difference, both are fairly comfy in Y. One 705 leg was PSP-YYC which is a reasonable length, with a young mother and infant next to me. I was fine and I'm 5'11".



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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15897 times:



Quoting Caribb (Reply 10):
If you are going to make a comparison with the EMB 170/190s at least try the CRJ-700/900 first.

I've flown every series of CRJ, and agree the 100/200 sucks, but Canadair/Bombardier were just getting their feet wet. The 700/900 and the new NG's are far superior to the original product. Although we had to wait far too long for the Cseries to finally start up, it is a much better comparison to the E170/175/190/195, than the CRJ's. The missions are similar, but the product just isn't

Think of it this way: DC-9/MD-80 to Fokker 28/Fokker 100, 737family to A320family. The original CRJ's and ERJ's were meant to compete against each other. The newer CRJ's are a stop gap, until the C series (FINALLY) gets here. Give BBD credit for utilizing the original challenger frame to the extent they have. Long in the tooth? Sure. But for what the product was and is, they have done a damn good job of keeping it in production.

It will be interesting to see what comparisons are drawn against the Cseries and ERJ 170+, when that finally happens.



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User currently offlineBravo1Six From Canada, joined Dec 2007, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15478 times:



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 14):
I've flown both the CRJ-705s on Jazz and both AC & UA E-jets, and I don't see all that much difference, both are fairly comfy in Y. One 705 leg was PSP-YYC which is a reasonable length, with a young mother and infant next to me. I was fine and I'm 5'11".

I'm a fan of the CRJs, but also have no complaints about the E-jets. The one thing about the CRJ705, however, is that it seems a lot roomier than as compared to a "normal" CRJ900 primarily because it only has 75 seats.


User currently offlineMjzair From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15395 times:



Quoting Bravo1Six (Reply 13):
Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 12):
Which carriers have order this 100 seat version?

Brit Air
Adria
My Air
One undisclosed customer

anyone care to guess on the undisclosed customer, and how many this customer has ordered?


User currently offlineBravo1Six From Canada, joined Dec 2007, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15331 times:



Quoting Mjzair (Reply 17):
anyone care to guess on the undisclosed customer, and how many this customer has ordered?

15+15

As to the identity, I could tell you but then I'd have to....well, you know the rest  Wink


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15304 times:
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Quoting Mjzair (Reply 17):
anyone care to guess on the undisclosed customer, and how many this customer has ordered?

This unknown customer has ordered 15 with options on a further 15.

Lufthansa? If they order it, others will follow for sure.
AtlasJet... they want the -1000, but can they afford 15?
Air Nostrum... for smaller Iberia routes.
Austrian? Replacing F70 and F100?

A US customer is not very likely, but we all love surprises here on A.net  Smile



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15276 times:

Bombardier press release.
http://www.bombardier.com/en/corpora...ses/details?docID=0901260d80046028


User currently offlineComairGuyCVG From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13501 times:

The plane that keeps growing, and growing, and growing......

User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13266 times:

I've only ever been on a 900 with LR and it seemed more comfortable than the rest of the flights on that trip (compared to a M88 763 and 738). I'm 6'2" and had no trouble walking through the aisle (I also had no reason to get up). My first (and second and third) experience on a 200 (along with another 900) will be this weekend with XJ/9E so I'm interested/dreading finding out what the fuss has always been about them. I've never been on any of the EJets (or ERJs) so I have nothing to compare to.

As far as the 1000, its nice to see progress being made, and as stated before, amazing what they've done with the original challenger airframe.


User currently offlineCFMitch56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12859 times:

In case we get it to show up in US airspace on FlightAware, what is its designator? CRJX?

User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12449 times:



Quoting Flyboy80 (Reply 1):
Curious if bombardier is offering this aircraft with an Aft galley, and or an aft pax/service door?

According to what Mesaba told us during training, they discussed an aft galley for the -900, which Bombardier had available to offer them, but it was significantly more money, and galley supplies would still have to be loaded through 1R, so they opted for just a forward galley, thus our ridiculous looking -900 galleys with 11 carts, 8 atlas containers, and an oven stuffed in that tiny little space.



Good goes around!
25 CRJ900 : Would the catering truck bump into the engine if trying to load through the rear door? Quite impressive, having so much in the forward galley, that's
26 Connies4ever : I'd be a little surprised if it was LH as they have a largish CRJ900 fleet and the standing LOI for 30+30 CSeries.
27 DeC : Any better photos of the plane anyone? thanks!
28 Pellegrine : On the 900s the window line has been raised significantly relative to the 200s. The 200s feel downright cramped because sitting down you have to bend
29 CRJ900 : Well, I believe LH's regional network needs more capacity, and that the 40-ish CRJ100/200 flying with CityLine and Eurowings are now too small for ma
30 OzGuy : I would imagine it sits higher as well. I've never been up close with an MD but my airline operates the E170/190 and B737/738 and the E190/737 have a
31 Floridaflyboy : My understanding is that the catering truck would still have had to use the forward service door even to service the aft galley had we opted for it a
32 Soxfan : Out of curiosty, why ARE the windows so low? Does it just have to do with the shape/curvature of the plane?
33 Viscount724 : I think it was because the CRJ-100/200 was basically a stretch of the Challenger business jet and retained the same window placement.
34 Viscount724 : Didn't the revised window placement start with the CRJ-700? Also, on that subject, can anyone confirm whether the first CRJ-1000 is the same airframe
35 2H4 : Indeed. I hear the aft end of the aircraft is scheduled to arrive back from the test flight sometime tomorrow afternoon. As I understand it, the wind
36 Wumzi : They stretched the 900 prototype to make the 1000 prototype.
37 CRJ900 : The window line was raised over 4 inches upwards while the floor was lowered one inch on the CRJ700. True, according to Bombardier.com. The CRJ700 pr
38 2H4 : Ah, thanks for the correction! 2H4
39 OyKIE : Congratulations to Bombardier! Best wishes for this beautiful plane. It will be interesting to see if it will be successful plane for BBD. Has the eng
40 ERAUgrad02 : I'd like to make an observation. It looks like this plane will have a rear service door by looking at the pix. in the back the is a spot with no windo
41 DeltaRules : This was the explanation I heard from a friend of mine who flies the CRJ for PSA.
42 Post contains links SLCPilot : http://www.bombardier.com/files/en/s.../products/P1-DSCF4433TakeOffHR.jpg Hmmm, look at the window inside the "C" on the forward side of the fuselage.
43 Rikkus67 : Click on the pic again, SLCpilot...the windows are all the same size.
44 SLCPilot : I did, and a beer says the first 5 cabin windows are smaller than the next 10. Cheers! SLCPilot PS. If you're underage, the wager is a cola, of cours
45 Goldenshield : I agree. It looks like they used a old CR9 tail and front section, and tacked it onto the new NextGen middle section.
46 2H4 : Interesting. Nice catch. 2H4
47 Viscount724 : As confirmed in another posting above, it was modified from the CRJ-900 prototype which began life as the CRJ-700 prototype. Possibly the first time
48 TylerDurden : See below. Nope. They are two different sizes. Since they are recycling the old gen 700/900 prototype for the NexGen 1000....the plugs they added inc
49 OB1504 : At least it makes it easy to spot where the plugs were inserted without having to refer to a diagram.
50 Post contains links Rikkus67 : my mistake... if you look between the "1" and first zero, you CAN see the difference in window size...substancial!! http://www.bombardier.com/files/en
51 CRJ900 : This is probably an odd question, but an idea popped into my head when reading the "A/C doors-thread". If an airline plans to connect all CRJ1000 airc
52 CFMitch56 : HELP: Still looking for an answer! Maybe CRJ0? CRNG?
53 UltimateDelta : Possibly CRJ10, or RJ10, or something like that. But that's just a guess.
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