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Rumor: YX Ends Sched Goes Charter, Sept 7  
User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16721 times:

I have heard rumor that YX may close down scheduled service next week (around Sept 7th) unless they can negotiate consessions from the labor groups as well as Boeing on their aircraft leases. If concessions are not in play they would downsize kill scheduled service and only offer charter flights similar to Sun Country.

I have spoken to two airports finance departments recently and they have YX on "financial watch" saying YX is behind in payments.

If this rumor is remotely true what happens to MKE.
Does NWA beef up, is FL a winner at MKE.
Does WN go for the juggler?

Is there any chance for concessions from employee groups or Boeing??
Would Boeing even consider concessions given that they would have to match with WN and FL?
And is there anything left in the employees tanks?


Some people don't get it. Business is about making MONEY!
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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16650 times:

*IF* the rumor is true, I see FL making a grab for market share and those 25 717s.


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16597 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
*IF* the rumor is true, I see FL making a grab for market share and those 25 717s.

Doubt it since FL deferred their orders for aircraft and themselves are downsizing. I see NW doing something about it.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16580 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 2):
I see NW doing something about it.

I think they have other issues to deal with, like merging.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7673 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16565 times:



Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
I have heard rumor that YX may close down scheduled service next week

It seems non-nonsensical to me. If Frontier can get DIP financing with oil at $135 in a three way war for Denver, then surely YX can get some sort of money with oil under $110 and with the company having been valued at hundreds of millions just a year or so ago.

It sounds more like a threat than reality. As for YX being behind in their payments, I think every airline is doing that right now to conserve cash.

If this really did happen, I would call it egregiously bad management to throw in the towel without seriously looking for outside financing or even attempting a CH11 filing.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6825 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16537 times:



Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
Does WN go for the juggler?

I guess you're asking if WN would go into MKE? It wouldn't surprise me; however, I can't see WN going higher than about 15 or 20 daily flights at MKE with their current route map. One would think that FL would move to fill the gap even more quickly.

Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
I have heard rumor that YX may close down scheduled service next week (around Sept 7th) unless they can negotiate consessions from the labor groups

I think that it's possible they could announce the cessation of scheduled service, but the financial burden due to WARN would probably put them out of business without revenue to help cover labor costs. I also think they'd have to file bankruptcy in order to get out of the leases (or get Boeing to come down) and to get out of the regional contract with SkyWest.


User currently offlineIflyKPDX From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16500 times:

Could HAL have any use for the YX 717s? Possibly NW being interested as an interim DC-9 replacement?


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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2263 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16436 times:



Quoting IflyKPDX (Reply 6):
Could HAL have any use for the YX 717s? Possibly NW being interested as an interim DC-9 replacement?

I'd love to see a red tailed 717, but I think the last thing DL / NW needs is another type of narrow body aircraft in the fleet, on top of the DC-9s, MD-80s, MD-90s, A319s, A320s, 737s, and 757s the merged airline will already be operating.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16399 times:
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I could see both HA and FL taking up YX's fleet of 717s. FL could change their business model to accept delivery of used 717's.

User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16372 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
I think they have other issues to deal with, like merging.

Merging is an issue, defending MKE and the midwest is another issue.

They can deal with both.



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User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16351 times:



Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):

I hope you have based your post on information from a reliable source other than "airport finance departments." It's wreckless to post this information otherwise, knowing the thousands of families who will be affected by this move if it were to happen.



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User currently offlineJeb94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 608 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16322 times:

NW won't do anything at this point without the OK from Delta. I seriously doubt Delta is even interested in replacing the DC9s at all. I highly doubt Delta would be interested in another small fleet of any type so I doubt the 717s would find their way into NW or Delta colors. FL just gave one to Hawaiian so I doubt they'd be all that interested in 25 more. Hawaiian? Maybe but it all depends on how many they really need for inter-island operations and what their current money situation is. How small is YX planning to shrink? How many aircraft would they need in the charter business and does the short range 717, with its relatively expensive lease cost but low operating cost make sense to use for a low frequency operation such as all charter work? I think YX is in big trouble here.

User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16268 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 4):
It seems non-nonsensical to me. If Frontier can get DIP financing with oil at $135 in a three way war for Denver, then surely YX can get some sort of money with oil under $110 and with the company having been valued at hundreds of millions just a year or so ago.

F9-YX-FL, merge and be done with it. All three airlines are in poor shape. Get together and you have an airline with a Western hub, Mid-Western hub, North-Eastern hub, and 2 southern hubs. Sounds impressive, however reality is dictating all of this wishful thinking is nothing more than an idle daydream.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
*IF* the rumor is true, I see FL making a grab for market share and those 25 717s.

FL has reported some not so encouraging figures as of late, I doubt they will go off on a shopping spree unless they dump the 73G in place of the 717, thus ending the Trans-Con market they currently serve.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 7):
I'd love to see a red tailed 717, but I think the last thing DL / NW needs is another type of narrow body aircraft in the fleet, on top of the DC-9s, MD-80s, MD-90s, A319s, A320s, 737s, and 757s the merged airline will already be operating.

ATL and the management of DL may be looking hard at the 717 frames to replace some of the DC-9 fleet which is due to leave NW in the coming years. There is a definite potential for the airframes to be in DL colours.


User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16158 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 2):
I see NW doing something about it

What exactly would they do? Open up a hub or focus city? The merged airline (DL/NW) will have hubs in CVG/DTW/MSP. If they were to "de-hub" one of those citiies, it would be (IMO) either CVG or DTW, leaving either DTW/CVG along with MSP. Those cities arent that far apart, and they certainly wouldnt need another hub or focus city in MKE, which is roughly halfway between MSP and the other two.


User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16079 times:



Quoting RP TPA (Reply 13):
hose cities arent that far apart, and they certainly wouldnt need another hub or focus city in MKE, which is roughly halfway between MSP and the other two.

NW has always had an on again off again relationship with MKE it seems like. NW cant afford to loose the uppderhand up here IMHO.

Asking for DL permission to do anything would be illegal at this point.



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User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15927 times:



Quoting National757 (Reply 10):
I hope you have based your post on information from a reliable source other than "airport finance departments." It's wreckless to post this information otherwise, knowing the thousands of families who will be affected by this move if it were to happen.

I titled the thread with the word "Rumor". I question "what is a reliable source"? I have talked to several people who "may be in the know" but they are only reliable if they are correct otherwise they are not.

The one word I am getting consistently is that YX is in the midst of something crucial and something is going to happen. What it will be is hard to predict, but wheels seam to be in motion.

So perhaps answering what the future will hold for YX is a great discussion given one thing we all pretty well know is that the present business model they use is broken and August thru November results will be devestating in this economy and non-sustainable as things presently are.



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User currently offlineImapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15898 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 12):
F9-YX-FL, merge and be done with it. All three airlines are in poor shape. Get together and you have an airline with a Western hub, Mid-Western hub, North-Eastern hub, and 2 southern hubs. Sounds impressive, however reality is dictating all of this wishful thinking is nothing more than an idle daydream.

What are you talking about? F9 is only in DEN. YX is only in MKE (they're MCI flying is down to like 10 destinations and 20 departures) and FL is essentially only in ATL, with some Florida PTP (MCO is as much of a hub as MCI is a hub). Where are these other hubs that Im missing?


User currently offlineZWZWUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15898 times:

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that this just may mean a major downsize in MKE. Everyone talks of "who is going to 'save' MKE or 'snatch up' MKE" but I wonder if this just means that MKE will just have less direct service.

Wow, I don't know if YX could survive on just a charter-based business model. This doesn't look good.... (relying on the fact that this rumor proves to be true)

~Tim



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15826 times:

If YX fails, NW will do nothing besides add two or three MSP and DTW flights... they're too busy trying to focus on DL merger integration planning. Building another 20+ flight focus city with rock-bottom fares with $100+/barrel oil is not a good idea. And NW knows that the "protect the heartland" strategy won't survive at a merged DL/NW...first, DL doesn't defend their turf as aggressively as NW, and second, Delta management (who will mostly be in charge) knows that the massive losses incurred from such strategies don't work in today's economic climate.

FL, on the other hand... they'll probably expand like crazy should YX fail. They'll buy some of YX's 717s, convert them to their configuration, and launch at least 20 more flights out of MKE to a variety of cities.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4715 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15831 times:

Major twist

Republic to fly E-170s for YX

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080903/20080903006477.html?.v=1



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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15797 times:



Quoting Imapilotaz (Reply 16):
What are you talking about? F9 is only in DEN. YX is only in MKE (they're MCI flying is down to like 10 destinations and 20 departures) and FL is essentially only in ATL, with some Florida PTP (MCO is as much of a hub as MCI is a hub). Where are these other hubs that Im missing?

F9 = DEN
YX = MKE
FL = ATL, MCO, BWI, MKE


User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15760 times:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4131555/

Republic will be loaning YX $15 Million and be flying 12 jets for them. Interesting..



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User currently offlineZWZWUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15692 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 19):

Thats it! I am beyond confused now. YX is like a freaking 3-ring circus. What are they going to pull out of their hat next? lmao!

~Tim Big grin



Drop it like its hott!
User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15583 times:



Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
Does WN go for the juggler?

What does that mean. If YX does only charter, whose juglar is left in MKE? Also I cont see how WN would be able to fund aircraft for a MKE expansion with DEN their main focus right now. WN has never never jumped in to a market and open up a new large station simply cuz an airline went out of business. If they have MKE on their sights, they will get there regardless of YX health or existence.


User currently offlineZWZWUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15540 times:



Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
Does WN go for the juggler?



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 23):

Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
Does WN go for the juggler?



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 23):
What does that mean.



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 23):
whose juglar is left in MKE?

Boys, boys, boys......I can settle this:

No one is going to go for the JUGULAR in MKE. lmao....

~Tim Big grin



Drop it like its hott!
25 Post contains links ScottB : Well, the plan seems to have been revealed: Midwest Airlines Announces Progress on Restructuring Plan * Midwest will give back all but nine (i.e. 16)
26 ZWZWUnited : All in all I think Midwest is doing what it should have done a long time ago: said "F U!" to the vacationers and the leisure markets, and gone back t
27 Pilotfox : Wow, big news on the 170s, seems to be a quite fast transition into the fleet (OCT 1). I would imagine these will replace at least 5 of the 717s getti
28 Runway23 : Sounds like a good plan to me. The main factor behind the E170s vs 717s is a significant drop in capacity. Whilst your CASM goes up, I'm not sure the
29 TVNWZ : Pilots mad as hell... Midwest Pilots Express Outrage at Airline’s Deal with Republic Airways MILWAUKEE—Captain Jay Schnedorf, chairman of the Midw
30 Lambert747 : All I can see in this decision is a lot of anger at YX, perhaps even by the city of MKE. This will not go over well in the press. In essence YX will
31 TVNWZ : Cue the FL contingent here for their thoughts...
32 MKE22 : Well if they looked at it as W/ Republic = survival, and w/o Republic = Death, then maybe there shouldn't be so much anger. Republic is helping keep
33 N917me : well, the pilots were not willing to negotiate much before ( from what I hear, until Tim is gone they did not want to negotiate) so, in the best inter
34 CitrusCritter : Looks to me like YX is slowly becoming a regional carrier for NW/DL. How long until YX and RP are on the same level?
35 Enilria : My analysis was pretty good, ehh? ...and what do you know, it's the same party doing the loans. FL is not in poor shape. They have had a -1.5% margin
36 Mke717spotter : Ugh...this is awful!!! Only nine 717s, are you kidding me? Yeah the E-170s will be nice and I guess I can handle dumping the MD-80s, but getting rid o
37 BillReid : This is great news for FL. MKE is now surrendered to FL who will add many new routes out of MKE effectively dwarfing YX. The staff at YX will be shock
38 IAD51FL : Ok, Ok, Ok! Why can't we just get down to the real question on everyones mind..... Will they 170's have ovens for the cookies? Inquiring minds want to
39 AWACSooner : So when does FL or HA swoop in and grab those 717's?
40 Nwarooster : It may be illegal at this point, but who do you think is running the show at Northwest. Steenland is just a puppet of Richard Anderson.
41 QQflyboy : I think it was egregiously bad management to turn down FL, especially in light of how things turned out. I'm sure MKE and the employees are thinking
42 AvConsultant : A MKE focus city will overlap a MSP & DTW hub thus not being efficient when oil was reasonable and especially not today.
43 TVNWZ : No, stockholders made more money this way. They own the airline, they reap the rewards. Employees may/may not benefit from it. Apparently, they have
44 CitrusCritter : The FL merger would have worked if YX had accepted at a reasonable price. If they had ended up accepting FL's bid in the $16 range, FL would probably
45 Enilria : The F9 E170s do not have ovens from the ones I've seen. I hope there is a cut-out to slide them in, however. High five on that one. I think we were a
46 Mariner : Hindsight is always perfect vision. TPG(NWA) made the better offer, which Airtran did not match. Midwest management would have been derelict in their
47 MKENut : Ultimately YX Management did not turn down the offer from FL. It was the shareholders that turned down the FL offer. The blame is solely on MEH Stock
48 KLASM83 : My feeling is that if they can fit the ovens in the OO CRJ's they can surely find the room in an E-170. Cookies for all! I wish YX did not have to re
49 Vivavegas : Keep Midwest, Our Midwest.... Hehehehhe.... This has been a painful, yet predictable end.... Craig MKE
50 STT757 : I just flew HA on a 717 about a week and a half ago, my understanding is that HA is procuring an additional 4-7 717s to grow their operation in the w
51 QQflyboy : Of course, but I thought it then and I think it now. True, however, that was the course of action sought by Mr. Hoeksema. He and the management of YX
52 LGA777 : Since the 170's don't have ovens here is my question? Did the CRJ's have ovens installed and are are cookies served on them? Since I don't know the a
53 Flighty : Goodbye Midwest. You are fighting to the bitter end but I don't think you will be around much longer.
54 Quickmover : Regarding FL possibly taking on some of the YX 717s, If an aircraft is aquired cheap enough, couldn't expansion be put back on the table? I think FL c
55 HNL-Jack : HA is about to begin receiving four additional 717's which should give them a fleet of firteen or sixteen. With traffic declining in the islands as w
56 Jmc1975 : Why could you see it? That makes no economic sense whatsoever. For the 717, you would need separate crews and additional maintenance parts on hand an
57 JpetekYXMD80 : That is such BS. No one predicted the kind of turmoil across the board in the airline industry this year due to the astronomical rise of oil prices.
58 Cactus739 : Yes they do...I took a Midwest Connect flight RDU-MKE in January and was rather surprised by the hot delicious cookies.....
59 Mariner : Whatever anyone thought then was made irrelevant by what happened with the price of oil. If TPG had known that oil was going to the stratosphere, the
60 2175301 : I think Midwest will do well with their new structure. They are obviously focusing on matching capacity to demand on their most profitable routes. I a
61 TVNWZ : And you can always lease more planes if demand and the economy can improve.
62 ROSWELL41 : I fear that this is the beginning of the end for Midwest. We have seen twice that all RJ airlines do not work and that is essentially what Midwest is
63 BillReid : You can call it what you will. But a reduction of 64% in mainline equipment, or 16 frames, is greatly downward when you consider the equipment will b
64 ROSWELL41 : I'd say they are going terminal.
65 GSPSPOT : That was my first thought, too. (slightly ashamed....)
66 ScottB : MEH shareholders would have seen a loss of over 25% if they had taken AAI (AirTran Holdings) shares. AAI is down over 75% from its early 2007 peak. T
67 BillReid : But this is about the YX that presently exists and not the one that could have. ANy speculation about what could have happened is purely speculation
68 Mariner : Isn't that speculation, too? mariner
69 Alias1024 : No, they are being blackmailed instead. YX has been trying to get their pilots and flight attendants to accept a concessionary contract which has low
70 CitrusCritter : AirTran's first public offer was at the equivalent of $11. They made initial private offers much lower when YX stock was down in the $2 range.
71 ROSWELL41 : So back to the thread's title, where is the evidence that YX will go to charter only service on 9/7?
72 Nwarooster : Both Midwest and AirTran are taking a course that will lead to Chapter 11 bankruptcy and possible liquidation.
73 2175301 : I can't speak for AirTran; but MGT has to believe that Midwest has a decent plan to be a profitable airline - otherwise they would not have put in 40
74 CWAFlyer : What exactly is SkyWest going to cut up? They just provide the airplanes and crews. Many of the remaining Connect CRJ's will be turned into pop cans
75 Drewwright : Seems more like extortion to me. It is repugnant behavior on the part of management. Some employees of YX may still have jobs, but they have all lost
76 FL787 : Why do you lump FL in with YX with possible bankruptcy? FL doesn't have half the problems that YX has right now. They have low costs, a new fleet, an
77 ROSWELL41 : SkyWest will be a creditor of YX as they are paid to provide a service. Should YX default on their payments to SkyWest (I understand they are falling
78 QQflyboy : I think it's just a question. Speculation would be, "They won't survive."
79 BillReid : Speculation is talking about what if FL would have aquired YX. What if the Red Sox hadn't traded Babe Ruth? What if we were all gazillionaires. I see
80 Post contains images PHLBOS : Chapter 11 is bankrupcy; Chapter 7 is liquidation. Very true. However, for grins and giggles, one needs to keep in mind that CO flew both the DC-9 an
81 Knope2001 : People view these changes at Midwest as sign that they are gasping their last. However I think they mean something different. TPG calls the shots with
82 FlyDreamliner : Well, all those small-minded YX fanatics got their way. The FL merger didn't go through and now the airline is in a death-spiral. FL is shedding fleet
83 PGNCS : Source?
84 Smcmac32msn : DL has started bringing mainline M80 into MKE in the last 2-3 weeks now at 1500 lcl. The outbound flight is 1537 MKE-ATL. Don't know anymore than one
85 CBPhoto : This will be the end of YX! First off, lets get some things straight. It is in the RAH contract, that they cannot dry lease there 170s to another comp
86 Knope2001 : Actually Delta has gone back and forth with mainline the past few years, with summer being the time when mainline left. They were all-RJ in the summe
87 MasseyBrown : I believe Mesa shut Air Midwest down on July 1.
88 TSRA : Here is my take with the whole YX-RW "deal". I will probably be way off in my prediction, but here we go... -YX gets E170/175 AND E190/195 on their ce
89 CWAFlyer : Straight forward business, but I don't see how that's exactly cutting up the piecies should YX fail. YX owns nothing and has nothing SkyWest would wa
90 Knope2001 : I did find it interesting none the less. Especially the last few lines...that's some original thinking! Anyway, the general problem with the line of
91 MKE22 : Who is RW? YX already codeshares with NW. F9, maybe.. And why MSP/ATL/DEN.. ? Wth??
92 TSRA : Yeah, they have a ton of regionals don't they? The rational (if there is any) behind this would be a "back door" way for the New DL to get a 100 seat
93 CWAFlyer : I'm not sure how any city pairs Midwest (or anyone else) has are of any value when anyone and everyone in the US can fly them. Slots in DCA and ones
94 MKE22 : Nono it makes much more sense now. Thanks. It had to do with the Scoope issue.
95 Sideflare75 : Maybe the YX pilots and F/A's should have agreed to some concessions and joined the rest of the employees in paycuts and this never would have happen
96 Cubsrule : Wait, you've lost me. Buying YX would have given FL the ability to fly 400 people daily from MKE to YUL or HPN? I'm not arguing that FL didn't bank o
97 JBo : So all 25 planes are being reconfigured even though only 9 will remain in service? That IS odd. Either the seats have already been bought and paid fo
98 Knope2001 : Certainly domestic routes like Midwest has are open to anyone else to fly...they are not "worth" anything in the way, that, say, Northwest's hub at T
99 Knope2001 : That's very true. TPG ownership is definteily the proverbial "riding the tiger" and little is sacred...certainly not employees. That doesn't make it
100 Mikey711MN : To that end, it makes me wonder what the costs to, say, AA or CO to opening up mainline in MKE again. As I understand it, those are AE and COEx stati
101 2175301 : If this is true (and I am not sure it is); but if it is true.... Then I suspect that many of the 717s will infact be returning to fly for Midwest som
102 LASOctoberB6 : So, is it definite that YX is returning 16 717s and going charter?
103 Knope2001 : Midwest is not going charter. Actually it appears they are getting out of the charter market. There are reports that Midwest is working to find repla
104 Sideflare75 : It is absolutely true. All 25 will be reconfigured to the 99 seat configuration, and all the equipment YX removed to save weight recently, trash comp
105 Post contains links Pilotfox : Is this a charter, or the beginning of the MD80s being shipped out? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MEP9535
106 Sideflare75 : Charter. Probably the Royals. They play in MSP tomorrow it looks like.[Edited 2008-09-08 14:48:16]
107 Smcmac32msn : It was ship 804 so it is the Royals.
108 Jmc1975 : Hopefully this decrease in capacity can somehow match the 50 percent decrease in bookings YX has experienced.
109 Knope2001 : Is this the same 50% decrease in bookings claim you simply made up and posted several weeks ago on this board? With the new September schedule...park
110 Post contains links and images Lexy : THE best ship in the fleet I might humbly add! LOL!!!! It's a beautiful old girl with tons of miles on here. But for all that, it still looks great i
111 Smcmac32msn : Did they redo the seating on this bird? I thought I saw this one in MSN a few winters ago in a club config for seating after a UW Mens Basketball cha
112 JpetekYXMD80 : Yeah, its that same phantom number he came up with before. BTW, Jmc, if you're going to have a signature like that...at least spell Hussein correctly
113 Lexy : Nope, if you walk on back, there are club seats in it. I have a picture of the club seats in that link I posted above.
114 Jmc1975 : It's been hovering around that number since early July. Hussain/Hussein can be spelled both ways, but let's stay on-topic please.
115 Almbluzman : how many concessions are the pilot's and fa's supposed to give? are you kidding me? some of the captains are getting busted down to f/o (a concession
116 Sideflare75 : I was simply asking the question. Could this whole mess have been avoided if they had tried to make a deal to save as many jobs as possible. Instead
117 Knope2001 : And let's try this again. Prove your claim with some sort of support. You cartainly didn't last time you made this claim.
118 Smcmac32msn : I looked at your link and it jogged my memory on how it was set up. I had forgotten there were the classic seats up front with the club in back.
119 Jmc1975 : I'm not sure what you want from me other than the cold hard fact that bookings are down roughly 50 percent over the past 2 months. Facts are facts.
120 Smcmac32msn : Show us that its down 50%. Facts aren't facts without proof. Where do you know this from?
121 Jmc1975 : The proof has manifested itself in the form of the current financial woes at YX and the fact that they have cut capacity roughly 50% mirrors that con
122 Knope2001 : Your information is made up. Period. "Current financial woes" tell you that bookings are down 50%? First of all, because the company has been taken p
123 Lexy : Thanks! Just by looking at that picture above, you would never know that the club seats were there. LOL!!
124 JpetekYXMD80 : Oh, give me a break. Cut the 'facts are facts' crap. We're supposed to believe you, based on nothing, other than your 'word'? Please.. But you are ri
125 Pilotfox : I noticed this morning that 823 was parked up at the Skyway hangers, with its titles removed, is she heading out somewhere?
126 Sideflare75 : They are all going to look like that soon except for the two they keep for charters. All the rest are getting the same treatment at the YX hangar alo
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