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AA 757 Sub-fleet Announced  
User currently offlineMiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 578 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 22688 times:

From Lauri Curtis


757 International Aircraft


We are moving forward with reconfiguring 18 Boeing 757 for use on international routes. The reconfiguration includes the installation of new seats, new cabin interiors and updated in-flight entertainment systems throughout the aircraft. The project is slated to begin later this year for completion by the end of 2009.
The 757 Business Class, in a 2-2 seating configuration, will feature 16 next-generation angled lie-flat seats with drop-down armrests, the ability to track forward 10 inches, interlocking tray tables that create one of the largest workspaces in the industry and in-seat entertainment system with audio and video on demand.
The economy cabin, comprised of 166 seats in a 3-3 configuration, will receive a lighter and brighter look including new seats and new sidewalls. In addition, new LCD monitors will replace CRT monitors to enhance in-flight entertainment video viewing and a digital media file server will provide better in-flight video and audio entertainment quality.


Once completed, the 757 international fleet will serve some new trans-Atlantic routes that are in the process of being finalized now. As with each refurbishment, we will keep you apprised of updates along the way and be on the lookout for the routes in Sabre.


That's it for this week. Please fly safely.

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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6474 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 22645 times:

I wonder what type of seats will AA introduce in Economy on these aircraft. I have heard that they will be Weber seats, however, I don't know about the model.

Logically, the best choice would be the Weber 5751 slimline seats (the same model as DL's new Economy seats). I think AA will probably order them with winged headrests, though (on DL, only the ones on the 772LRs have the winged headrests.

http://www.weberair.com/touristmodels.html#5751



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 22643 times:

Great news! It indicates "some" new transatlantic routes. I would think they would also send some of these 757's to South America.

User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 22597 times:

Perfect. Once again, I'm struck by the flexibility of the best aircraft ever built. It seems to be coming into it's own over 20 years after it's introduction.

Given the choice of 767 vs. 757 over the pond, I'd always pick the 757. There's something nostalgic about this airplane even though we will continue to see them for years to come. That's irreplaceable in my mind over larger aircraft which offer more "creature comforts."

I



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User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 22417 times:

Where are the "No PTV's" guys at on this one?

How are they able to get 182 seats vs. CO w/175?


User currently offlineTommy212 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 22308 times:

any news on what routes the might be opening up or are they going to be replacing current 763 TATL routes such as JFK-BRU with the 752's?

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3203 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 22166 times:



Quoting Tommy212 (Reply 5):
any news on what routes the might be opening up or are they going to be replacing current 763 TATL routes such as JFK-BRU with the 752's?

MAH4546 (prob the most knowledgeable AA guy on these boards) said that it would replace 763's on only a few routes. He also said that it would open new routes from ORD and JFK to the British Isles.

Please bring back ORD-GLA...... please please please!!!  crossfingers 



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User currently offlineStyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 22071 times:

Any idea if AA would start JFK-DUB? Seems like a logical route for these revamped B752s.

Styles9002



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User currently offlineJFKPurser From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 486 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 22083 times:

I have heard from someone at APFA (the AA FA union) who was closely involved with this that AA management ignored every single suggestion made by AA flight attendants. AA has decided to remove the mid-galley cart stowage area in order to install more BC seats. They have decided to keep the YC count at 166 instead of removing a few seats to add comfort and keep the AC from hitting max payload numbers for the given mission (which is what NW and CO have done with their tatl 752s). Not only that, they have not even actually packed a galley with actual supplies and done a test of the service that they are planning -- it has only been done virtually by computer. FAs will have to put catering supplies in the OHBs -- you can kiss your whole can of soda and any reasonable "breakfast" service goodbye. The 166 count in YC is way beyond the capacity of the lav tanks for an 8 hour transatlantic flight. Based on my own personal experience working the AA 757 in the current configuration, I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that this AC on these routes the way AA plans to configure them will be an unmitigated disaster in terms of service and passenger comfort. Total fiAAsco in the works, but as usual, they will do it their way because yield management is insisting on the 166 count for YC claiming that the margins are already so thin with this AC on tatl. If it's that thin then why bother making passengers (and crew) so unhappy? To be expected.

User currently offlineBananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1577 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 21952 times:

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 8):
The 166 count in YC is way beyond the capacity of the lav tanks for an 8 hour transatlantic flight

Various airlines managed to use the 757 on transatlantic flights with no lavatory tank issues.. Monarch Airlines and Airtours spring to mind. They seated 235/237 AFAIR.

Are there seperate tanks for the lavs at the rear of the aircraft? If not, then surely this shouldn't prove too much of an issue?

Mark

[Edited 2008-09-03 16:43:37]


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 21903 times:
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Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
I would think they would also send some of these 757's to South America.

MIA-ASU and MIA-COR are possibilities.


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 21765 times:

By introducing the NGBC AA seats on these planes they have reduced J class seating from 22 to 16.

I guess there goes the Evip upgrades. But good news that they are finally getting rid of those hideous brown leather J seats.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21505 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 21633 times:

Sad that they won't have AVOD in Y. As usual, AA is one generation behind in their J and Y classes.

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 8):
Based on my own personal experience working the AA 757 in the current configuration, I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that this AC on these routes the way AA plans to configure them will be an unmitigated disaster in terms of service and passenger comfort.

Well I suppose that if it turns out to be underequipped, they can pull 6 or 9 Y seats to add back galley storage.



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User currently offlineDivemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 21557 times:

Interesting! Glad to See AA is doing something with fleet refurbishment!
I just hope that the new Biz seats will fit in the 757 and that the floor is strong enough!

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
Please bring back ORD-GLA...... please please please!!!

Hmmm possible and hopefully they can fly to EDI!

Possible European Routes (our of ORD or JFK):
EDI
GLA
DUB
LGW?
MAN
NCL
BRU
AMS?
NCE
CPH?
ZRH
PRG?
BCN

Perhaps some routes out of BOS could go to 757.

Interesting to see then what would happen to the 767s that are taken off some routes.



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User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2272 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 21142 times:



Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 8):
Not only that, they have not even actually packed a galley with actual supplies and done a test of the service that they are planning -- it has only been done virtually by computer.

Actually, they have previous experience operating this a/c on TATL routes, even before they flew BOS-MAN, BOS-SNN and ORD-SNN with an all coach service. The a/c was used previously for JFK-MAN where J-class was J with 22 seats. As for catering on the new bird, the aft galley holds eight carts. One will be a beverage cart, five will be meal carts for the main service. They'll need three add'l carts for the follow-on service, so two will be provisioned in the aft galley and one in J-class. You'll find many things like juice, water and extra sodas, napkins and garbage bags free-loaded in the various galley compartments.

J-class holds seven carts. One will be for Y, another for duty free, so they'll have five to work with. They should be able to cater all the components of the first service in two carts, three tops, including trays, salads, deserts and meals. One cart will be the beverage cart. Another cart will contain the follow-on service items. My guess is the items we find in the supply cart now will be free-loaded in the galley compartments along with extra sodas, juice and water. The cabinet space on the 757 is ample.

I'm not saying this airplane will be a dream to work, it isn't now so that certainly won't change flying TATL. I just don't think it will be nearly as bad as you say. And as for the lavs, I asked my friend who is based at IOR and she said they didn't have any problems with the lavs flying SNN-ORD with a block time of 7:55.

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 8):
Based on my own personal experience working the AA 757 in the current configuration, I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that this AC on these routes the way AA plans to configure them will be an unmitigated disaster in terms of service and passenger comfort.

That is true, however, the a/c as we know it now won't be the a/c we fly on TATL routes. The new seats in Y will be slimline seats netting an additional inch (or more) of legroom at each row and they'll have adjustable headrests. It will be far more comfortable than the configuration we have now. Will it be perfect? No, but then again not even the 777 is perfect.

We are far from breaking new ground here flying 757s on TATL routes. It will be an adjustment, for sure, but I am convinced it won't be nearly as bad as you imagine. I'm concerned about crew rest. Likely none of the routes from JFK to Europe will require it, but some of the return legs might. I'm curious to know what they plan.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
Sad that they won't have AVOD in Y. As usual, AA is one generation behind in their J and Y classes.

Typical, indeed. At least the CRTs are being replaced with 17" flat panel monitors. That should at least provide a much better image.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 1):
I have heard that they will be Weber seats, however, I don't know about the model.

They are Weber, but no model has been specified.

As for new routes, the last I was told was these a/c would replace 763s on some routes to free them up for Caribbean and Central America flying. Specific cities mentioned were ZRH, BRU and CDG . That's not to say we won't see a new route or two. I've also heard we could get STN back with the 757. Time will tell. The prototype bird should be complete in January 2009, with the remaining 17 to be completed between April and October, 2009. With that schedule in mind, we won't know too much about the routes they intend to operate them on until spring or summer.



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 21113 times:



Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 4):
How are they able to get 182 seats vs. CO w/175?

LRTC?


User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2272 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 21041 times:



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 15):
LRTC?

Sounds about right.  Smile But seriously, the plane currently holds 188 pax, 22F and 166Y. The new config will have 16J and 166Y. Y will actually have more room than it does now because the new seats are much thinner, freeing up some leg space. Also, a closet and single cart galley housing behind F are being removed to allow more room for J.



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User currently offlinePlairbus From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20748 times:

Ok, for sure the 757 is a good aircraft, but the reason why most of the Airlines from the United States use the 757 for Transatlantic flights is because they have no money to buy new planes, not because the 757 after 20 years is such a great plane. Personally I prefer a Widebody to fly longer routes.

User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20619 times:



Quoting Plairbus (Reply 17):
Transatlantic flights is because they have no money to buy new planes, not because the 757 after 20 years is such a great plane.

There is no comparable plane on the market. The closest thing there was was the A310, and that is now out of production.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3203 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20513 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 18):
the A310, and that is now out of production.

As is the 757.

Quoting Plairbus (Reply 17):
but the reason why most of the Airlines from the United States use the 757 for Transatlantic flights is because they have no money to buy new planes,

Nope.

It's the right-sized plane for the market they're used on. Just look at all the 757's CO uses out of EWR. Do you really think routes like EWR-BRS could support a 762, or better yet a 764?? Not a chance.



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20424 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 19):
Just look at all the 757's CO uses out of EWR. Do you really think routes like EWR-BRS could support a 762, or better yet a 764?? Not a chance.

Exactly. The 757 is the perfect plane for some markets.

Glad to see AA make a go at them as well. Now we need UA to do it and all the US majors flying the 757 will be using them TATL.



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20228 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 19):
As is the 757.

Therefore there is nothing to replace the 757 with...

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 14):
Specific cities mentioned were ZRH, BRU and CDG .

Now I know it's wishful thinking, but flying 3x daily JFK-CDG and daily BOS-CDG year round would be feasibly year round. BRU is going to need to be downgraded with SN being bought out by LH. I can't see ZRH staying open for a single daily 757.

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 14):
I've also heard we could get STN back with the 757.



Quoting Divemaster08 (Reply 13):
Interesting to see then what would happen to the 767s that are taken off some routes.

To Latin America and the Caribbean to cover A300s coming offline.

Quoting Divemaster08 (Reply 13):
Perhaps some routes out of BOS could go to 757.

BOS-CDG makes sense, at least for the winter to restore year round service, though with the constant threat of it being cut, the 757 might be this route's saving grace.


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20173 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 19):
It's the right-sized plane for the market they're used on. Just look at all the 757's CO uses out of EWR. Do you really think routes like EWR-BRS could support a 762, or better yet a 764?? Not a chance

CO 767-200
25J / 149Y

CO 757-200
16J / 159Y

The difference is null. The main difference is one has more Y and one has more J. However in the end the greatest difference is the rage of the 767-200 vs the 757-200. So in theory the 767-200 on EWR-BRS is not some sort of dilusion.


User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 864 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20051 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 21):
BOS-CDG makes sense, at least for the winter to restore year round service, though with the constant threat of it being cut, the 757 might be this route's saving grace.

Beat me to the punch. It seems like AA has had an on-again, off-again, on-again relationship with the BOS-CDG route on a 763, so like Elmo said this could be a good compromise. The question is, how will it perform against Air France on the same route?



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User currently offlineJFKPurser From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 486 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 19925 times:

I understand that it has been decided that there will be no duty free available on these flights.

I have heard ffrom CO FAs that lav overflow has been an issue for them on return legs from Europe and that they deliberately restrict the amount of liquids to pax to keep this from occurring -- can anybody confirm this?

Also, AA wanted to give FAs one row of regular coach seats NOT CURTAINED (3seats) at the back of the cabin for crew rest rather than the contractual 60 degree recline that is stated in the APFA/AA agreement, so it is possible that the pax count in YC will change based on the outcome of the arbitration which is now taking place at the behest of APFA in order to keep AA from getting away with this. The pilot contract stipulates that they will get two of the 16 BC seats for their crew rest. Anything returning from Europe other than a UK-US leg under 8 hours will require proper FA crew rest facilites.

I will be working the 777.


25 AA1818 : Will the rest of the 757 fleet get any improvements? AA1818
26 727forever : The 752 has 3 different tanks (forward, mid, and aft). They can fill up and it doesn't just happen trans atlantic. I've had the aft lavs fill up on f
27 SCL767 : Yes, the rest of the 752 fleet will get new business class seats, along with new LCD screens. Also, AA has already added the invisible curtain betwee
28 QQflyboy : New seats front and back, plus two additional in first, bringing the total to 24F and 166Y. New lavs, sidewalls, carpet. New digital IFE (same as 763
29 Flighty : With 166 Y, 16J lie-flat seats, 182 seats total (!!), that certainly entails new slimline seats. Those extra seats might well pay for themselves over
30 Max Q : Well T787, Maybe one day when you reach your goal and work for a living as a long haul Pilot you might have some clue why these rest areas are so impo
31 Transpac787 : Incorrect. While it's different for every flight, isn't there some statistic saying that premium seats account for something like 85% of the revenue
32 Mysterzip : Hmm... still no PTVs and AA's lie flat seat does not impress me. I'd rather connect through LHR. Or take Delta. AA really has a great network and so m
33 Ikramerica : Why are 2 crew rests needed on a 757? It can't physically fly long enough to require 4 pilots…
34 Transpac787 : And an incredibly rare one. How often are there crying infants in J class, honestly?? Tell me.... how are First class seats different than the bunkro
35 BrightCedars : And this is why CO is voted North America's best airline. How can AA plan to refurbish 18 planes for transatlantic and not be on par with the competit
36 Ssides : While this makes a difference to us A.nutters, it doesn't make much difference to the average flyer. If AA really believed that the cost of PTVs, ful
37 Heathrow : I think AA already has a partnership agreement with EI (weather codeshare or connecting traffic) from back in the days of Oneworld.
38 WA707atMSP : The A310 was never a good long haul aircraft. The A310 was designed for Swissair, Lufthansa, and KLM, to replace DC-9s and 727s on intra-European rou
39 QQflyboy : Tell me, where's the bunk room on a 757? They don't have 'em. Only AA's 777s have bunks. As for having a bunk and a seat, well, I can't say that I ag
40 Jacobin777 : Add the fact the B767's is a lot heavier..if one can carry the same amount of pax/cargo in a smaller (lighter) plane then its extremely more benefici
41 Typhaerion : Its not about seats. Its about CASM. The 752W has significantly less CASM than the 762ER over that range. There are missions that the 752W cannot do
42 NYCAAer : This sounds just awful. As usual, AA screws up on the configuration. I barely ever work aboard the 763 anymore, I can't stand it. I will be working th
43 Exaauadl : Yeah, I am disappointed see no PTVs with AVOD. But I am sure it wont cost them any passengers. No one is flying DL just cuz of AVOD on the 757s, but
44 AA777223 : Where are the bunks on AA 772s? I've flown on them many times, typically in J and a few times in F but have only seen a few J seats curtained off. Is
45 Elmothehobo : First and foremost, I said "closest". Not comparable. Yes, but the A310 was capable of short transatlantic hops, and it was used on some longer non-t
46 Transpac787 : I know, I wasn't contesting that point. What I'm contesting is the need for TWO business seats for a single pilot on both the 757 and the 763. In add
47 Ikramerica : Only they know how they can be doing in 2009 what others started years ago, and how they can justify putting a brand new product in J in 2009 that wi
48 JFKPurser : The APA (pilot) contract with AA stipulates that on any international leg over 8 hours (or any international duty day with flight time totalling over
49 1337Delta764 : Why would it take so long for AA to refurbish these aircraft? Look how fast Delta has refurbished their 738s and domestic 763s with new seats and IFE
50 Viscount724 : It depends on the seat. Some slimline seats at 32in pitch have more effective leg/kneeroom than bulkier seats at 34in pitch. The A310's 2-2-2 busines
51 Transpac787 : Have you even tried AA's current J seat?? They are really quite comfortable, easily better than UA's current F-class offering. Not in terms of privac
52 Panamair : Are you comparing AA's lie-flat-at-an-angle J seat to UA's fully flat First Class international bed seat? If so, there really is no contest between a
53 Ikramerica : Again, AA is just now upgrading to this seat, while the competition is moving past the sloped flat garbage to full flat seats. Making AA one step beh
54 Qqflyboy : AA's 777s haven't had a curtained off crew rest area in a long time, like, five years or more. There are two bunk facilities onboard AA's 777s. The f
55 WA707atMSP : I agree that for F / J passengers, the A310 was more comfortable than the 767 / 757 on long hauls. However, from an economic standpoint, the 767 and
56 Transpac787 : Yes, I am. And you've obviously never been on either, because AA's seat is considerably more comfortable than UA's current F-class seat. I've been on
57 Ikramerica : Why? A 757 in 2x2 or a 767 in the proper 2x1x2 is great. The A310 cross section in 2x2x2 does not provide any more room than those configurations.
58 Viscount724 : However many people, myself included, just find that a widebody seems more spacious and less claustrophobic. A widebody with 2-2-2 business class sea
59 Lambert747 : INCORRECT Source:http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/content/travel/inflight/aircraft/752.aspx 18 Sep : EWR-BRS operates as 16J/159Y
60 Exaauadl : On another thread, it was argued by some that AA made a big mistake by dumping hte PW powered 757s and should have used them for this international ex
61 Panamair : Oh yes, I forgot, just because we don't agree with you then we must not know what the hell we are talking about, and we must be making stuff up about
62 RC135X : Before this thread gets too far hijacked into a debate over seat style and comfort or crew rest stations rather than the development of a 757 subfleet
63 Max Q : Good for the APA and their Pilots, blocking off 2 first class seats is the only reasonable course to ensure adequate rest for their pilots. T787 you a
64 SFOHORIZON : Does AA only have B752s? If so, what is their range with a full payload from JFK? If they have other variants of the 757, what is the range of those p
65 Flighty : Not possible. The 757's range is not long enough to properly operate a 4278-mile flight. The 757 is extremely weak past the 4000 mile mark.
66 Elmothehobo : Too late. The pissing match went overboard. Simply: Maybe. The 757 has more seats than the 767-200 that flew ORD-ARN. At 16/166 v 9/30/120~, the 757'
67 EWRCabincrew : CO's 752s have a capacity of 16J/159Y. All of them. On flights of 8 hours or more, there are 6 seats blocked for crewrest. 3 for pilots (16DEF) and 3
68 Daron4000 : I think you need to be more specific when you post, otherwise your posts will sound factually incorect and make you look a bit arrogant. UA's F First
69 1337Delta764 : For those talking about flat-bed business class seats, isn't only CO installing them on their 757s? DL has recently installed Recaro CL 4420 recliner
70 Ikramerica : No doubt. But I've personally never found the window seat on the 757 J product to be bad. Either way, the claim was the A310 was also preferred over
71 MAH4546 : Yes. They will be used on long-haul Miami-South America. Along with the Miami-Bolivia route, they will likely be used to open Asuncion and Cordoba. A
72 JFKPurser : This is what AA absolutely needs to do in order to make this work and something that the company has steadfastly refused despite being urged to do so
73 Jacobin777 : That's basically the point of this thread..."long thin routes".. Of note, pax fly transcon on A32X/B737's and B752's..most dont' complain...time diff
74 Max Q : Blocking off two seats provides for more essential space for the resting Pilot, and, more importantly assists in providing vital peace and quiet for h
75 Transpac787 : That would be AA614, which is a 1-stop flight thus adding a lot of time compared to the nonstop. The nonstop is AA226 at 5:35 blocktime. The westboun
76 QQflyboy : I don't know that this is entirely true when you consider: That's abysmal. There will still be a closet a 1L. It may be shorter than it is now as the
77 Burnsie28 : Here is what I understand 1. These aircraft will be for JFK routes 2. The F/C seats will be basically the same as what NW put on their 757 TATL 3. At
78 1337Delta764 : Not exactly. The Economy seats on AA's 738s are Recaro seats. The new 757 Economy seats will be made by Weber, although no specific model has been co
79 QQflyboy : The new J seat is what AA currently has on the 763 and 777 in J-class.
80 LAXdude1023 : I could see them on MIA-Carnary Islands. I would think if AA started MIA-LIS, it would be with a 763. I cant see AA flying MIA-Ireland. I imagine tha
81 Viscount724 : AA SAN-BOS nonstop block time is 5:35, not 7:25. You are looking at the block time of a one-stop flight, not a nonstop.
82 Jacobin777 : You are correct, good call...my bad.. That being said, its still 5 1/2 hours...which I don't think makes too much of a difference of say over JFK-LHR
83 STT757 : CO is installing them on all 41 of their 757-200s, their 28 777-200ERs and all 25 787s on order will be delivered with the new J seats. CO also state
84 QQflyboy : According to the project overview, NYC-Europe will be their primary mission. While I'm hopeful these a/c will open up new routes/markets, is a fleet
85 Ikramerica : And back then, you guys had great food in F, too, and the room to prepare it correctly, on the 777 and the 767. Block time is 50% more, flight time i
86 LAXdude1023 : Thats wonderful news. They might add a route or two from MIA-South America and a new ORD-Europe, but I also thought JFK-Europe was the primary target
87 Jacobin777 : Given the flight times mentioned, and given the fact I flew these routes, on an "absolute" time level, its not too much of a difference.... ...for th
88 JustPlaneNutz : So then, how many 757 subfleets will AA have after all is done? After the TWA birds left, they still have 2, one base and one equipped for over-water
89 Commavia : It will be 2 configurations: one for domestic/non-premium, and one for longhaul/premium. All AA 757s are over-water-equipped. No. From everything I'v
90 Lambert747 : American Airlines would do well with the following routes ex-JFK, all are within a very suitable range for the 757-200, and penalties would be void i
91 QQflyboy : Actually, the galleys will be the same, too. The only differences, in the end, will be the J seats and the video system. The Y seats maybe different
92 Post contains links LMP737 : < http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...earchid=4073625&s=LMP737#ID4073625 > AA's 757 fleet is desperately in need of interior upgrades. Worked one l
93 Viscount724 : I question your assumption. All those routes except the last are further (in some cases by over 300 nm) than the longest current transatlantic nonsto
94 LAXdude1023 : The longest is actually CVG-AMS at 3599 nms. However you are right in one reguard. Most of those routes from MIA either: 1) Should be flown with a 76
95 By738 : Cant see a third operator entering the Scottish New York markets, especially when none of them are currently operating full loads on 757's. Cant see B
96 Soxfan : Not to get off topic, but a quick question about the current 757 TVs: one some planes, the overhead screens are relatively square, while on others the
97 MAH4546 : Boston-Europe isn't happening, other than keeping BOS-CDG from the grave. JFK is definitley the primary purpose. From MIA, there are three viable tra
98 Enilria : I agree that JFK is the primary purpose. There are precious few Atlantic routes out of ORD and MIA that are going to be safely within the airplane's
99 Qqflyboy : Probably. The more rounded monitors you've seen are probably on the planes that were delivered in 2000-2001. All 757s, both TATL and domestic, will g
100 Soxfan : Are those bigger than the current monitor, will they be over the aisle (which I assume), and if so, will there be any modifications made to ensure th
101 EWRCabincrew : That's life. It is part of the "glamour" of the job. We flew for years without those above forementioned items and we did fine, it was tough, but we
102 QQflyboy : Considering other airlines have better rest facilities for their pilots and flight attendants, perhaps CO f/as and pilots should demand more.
103 EWRCabincrew : On the 757? What are they for AA on the 757? But you are right, we need to ask for better. Till then...
104 Lambert747 : Under BA/AA could we see MAN opened again to BOS service, and possibly GLA?
105 Panamair : Well at least for the pilots, on 8+hour 757s across the pond, DL gives up Seat 1A in Business for the pilot rest seat. FAs have 3 Y seats, like on CO
106 EWRCabincrew : If there is a seat in B/F, then they get it.
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