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Amazing Video Of NW Bellylanding At Guam  
User currently offlineFlyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 827 posts, RR: 6
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 25302 times:

Sorry if allready posted, but couldent find anything about this.
Its a belly landing at Guam shot from inside.
Take a look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezYMGM_VtFI


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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 25250 times:

Interesting video. I am surprised the crew didn't make them turn it off at some point. Regardless, my hats off to the crew for being professional from what I could tell. Anyone know the registration on the plane?


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User currently offlineDM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 25183 times:

Pretty cool video. I wish the videographer would have captured the landing but i guess it wasn't possible!

Quoting Lexy (Reply 1):
Anyone know the registration on the plane?

N627US.

DM

[Edited 2008-09-03 17:05:44]

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 25148 times:



Quoting DM (Reply 2):
N627US.

Many thanks!



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User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 25028 times:

Well, is it just me, or does anyone else share the opinion that this is pretty strange.
They need more than 4 minutes to evacuate the whole aircraft despite the smoke AND there isn't even the sound of a fire department vehicle. I mean, I have seen tests of the fire department at one of the major London airports (live), and it didn't take them 5 minutes+ to get to the aircraft.
Okay, I know this wasn't a "planned" emergency landing but is it normal that you do not even hear the fire department 5min after a crash?

GlobeEx



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 24953 times:

Thanks for posting this, great video! I have to tell you though, I am quite surprised at the way the evacuation played out. Nobody seems to be treating it like an urgent emergency, and I'm rather appalled at the crew for allowing the passengers to take their carryon's with them, a big no-no with evacuations. No one seemed to be in any hurry, and meanwhile, the forward cabin is filled with smoke. There was also no commands heard post-landing from cabin crew calling passengers to their respective exits.
And where were the emergency responders on the ground from the airport. You could see fire-trucks quite some distance from the aircraft, but none of the firemen seemed to be assisting with the evacuation, ie; helping passengers off the slides, sending them away, etc.
This whole video was quite surprising with so many things done wrong IMHO.

HALFA



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User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1107 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 24867 times:



Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 4):
Well, is it just me, or does anyone else share the opinion that this is pretty strange.
They need more than 4 minutes to evacuate the whole aircraft despite the smoke AND there isn't even the sound of a fire department vehicle. I mean, I have seen tests of the fire department at one of the major London airports (live), and it didn't take them 5 minutes+ to get to the aircraft.
Okay, I know this wasn't a "planned" emergency landing but is it normal that you do not even hear the fire department 5min after a crash?

Agreed. The whole thing should have been handled much better IMHO.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 24821 times:



Quoting DM (Reply 2):
N627US.

What is of this aircraft today? Is it scrapped or is it still flying?



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User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 24749 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
Is it scrapped or is it still flying?

written off.



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User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 24467 times:



Quoting HALFA (Reply 5):
Thanks for posting this, great video! I have to tell you though, I am quite surprised at the way the evacuation played out. Nobody seems to be treating it like an urgent emergency, and I'm rather appalled at the crew for allowing the passengers to take their carryon's with them, a big no-no with evacuations. No one seemed to be in any hurry, and meanwhile, the forward cabin is filled with smoke. There was also no commands heard post-landing from cabin crew calling passengers to their respective exits.
And where were the emergency responders on the ground from the airport. You could see fire-trucks quite some distance from the aircraft, but none of the firemen seemed to be assisting with the evacuation, ie; helping passengers off the slides, sending them away, etc.
This whole video was quite surprising with so many things done wrong IMHO.

Agree, if you ask me the way this emergency is handled is more than appalling.

Would have expected this thing to happen on FR after seeing the documentary about their F/A training but not NW. (sorry couldn't resist with the FR bashing).

GlobeEx



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User currently offlineDM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 24186 times:



Quoting HALFA (Reply 5):
I'm rather appalled at the crew for allowing the passengers to take their carryon's with them, a big no-no with evacuations.

I've always wondered what happens to the pax that DO leave their things behind in emergency situations? If the personal items their carrying are very valuable ($5-10k) I'm sure i wouldn't be to excited to leave it on board.

DM


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 24169 times:

As a crew member, I have a few questions.

Why did the crew members stop shouting their commands before the aircraft came to a complete stop?

Why didn't crew members, when the captain came on to say "remain seated", vocalise this in an authoritative manner?

Why were people getting things out of overhead bins? I understand the "need" from a customer point of view, but didn't hear much from the crew about leaving items behind.

What I also find crazy is the need to video this, when it could impede someone else getting out just because someone needed to get their 15 minutes of fame on youtube. I digress.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 24148 times:

1. The nose gear collapsed and its best that everyone was calm as it was assessed that passengers were in no danger.

2. The japanese are known to do this quite often, its happened in several other evacuations and such where they will try and take everyone with them.

3. The fire department saw no flames or any sorts.

4. Most of the passengers didn't even know something was wrong until the captain said something.

5. I heard several announcements made myself, it might have been in someone elses video, because that doesn't look too much like the one that I saw before.



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User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 24060 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
1. The nose gear collapsed and its best that everyone was calm as it was assessed that passengers were in no danger.

How could you or even the crew claim that noone was in danger? I mean, there was SMOKE! god damn, what do you want/need to evacuate an aircraft? When it is burning everything will/could be too late. I think smoke is and/or can be a very good indication that there might be danger. What would you say to the passangers if you were a F/A?: "Hey folks, there is some smoke here but no fire, anyone care for a drink, ......... come on lets sit down guys and have a little chat" ?!???!?!?!? Good damn it!

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
3. The fire department saw no flames or any sorts.

I mean, they were that far away, they probably didn't even see the smoke.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
4. Most of the passengers didn't even know something was wrong until the captain said something.

So you are telling me that passangers won't recognize when the nose gear collapses and the nose is scratching over the tarmac? Please, you can't be serious!

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
2. The japanese are known to do this quite often

I'm sure most of the passangers do an evacuation every couple of weeks.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
5. I heard several announcements made myself, it might have been in someone elses video, because that doesn't look too much like the one that I saw before.

Sorry, don't get this comment.

GlobeEx



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User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 24006 times:



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 11):
Why didn't crew members, when the captain came on to say "remain seated", vocalise this in an authoritative manner?

Well, they kinda did. The woman f/a who gets on right after the captain is translating, and it's obviously a Japanese flight. And that's a pretty authoritative voice for a Japanese f/a. Japanese female f/a's are actually trained to speak in a particular soft voice when using the intercom (I know women who have gone through that training), and she is speaking in her "normal" voice. Which wouldn't be normal in a regular landing.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 11):
Why were people getting things out of overhead bins? I understand the "need" from a customer point of view, but didn't hear much from the crew about leaving items behind.

Well, there are some cuts in the video so we don't know if there's stuff that we missed. It obviously was not really an emergency evacuation. I don't know enough to know if there are different "levels" of evacuation, but it seemed like the crew thought everything was pretty much under control.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 11):
What I also find crazy is the need to video this, when it could impede someone else getting out just because someone needed to get their 15 minutes of fame on youtube.

I dunno, it seems pretty newsworthy to me, and I'd probably videotape it if I had a camera. Through parts of the video, you can tell the guy's holding the camera at his waist without really even looking at it, so it doesn't seem that he's getting in anybody's way and he's following instructions from the crew.

Look at it this way. We're all asking questions about the evacuation. What if a fire had suddenly broken out in front of the plane and killed ten people? This video would be pretty valuable evidence of how the evacuation was run. You still don't see the "need" to record it?



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 23999 times:

1. Are we sure that is smoke and not condensation from a sudden influx of wet, warm air into a cool dry environment? Usually a plane has time to taxi, the ground air mixes with the aircraft air, the air conditioner stays on during deplaning, and only 1 or 2 doors are opened at first. In this case, the doors were opened immediately after landing, the AC was turned off.


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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5071 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 23970 times:

The pilot did however say that everything was okay, and that they had a problem with the nose gear. Yeah, this is a good example of not bringing your carryon luggage with you when you use the chute. But, at least everyone was okay.

Imagine if the pilot announced to evacuate the aircraft? With chaos possibly, and the amount of injuries that would have resulted. Any reason why they used the forward exit doors with smoke up front?



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User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2712 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 23958 times:

This video reminds me of the end of the "Airplane" movie where the flight attendant is saying "goodbye" and "thanks for flying" when the passengers are going down the slide. Not much difference between the two.

User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 23958 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
1. Are we sure that is smoke and not condensation from a sudden influx of wet, warm air into a cool dry environment? Usually a plane has time to taxi, the ground air mixes with the aircraft air, the air conditioner stays on during deplaning, and only 1 or 2 doors are opened at first. In this case, the doors were opened immediately after landing, the AC was turned off.

I don't think that it is condensation. Just look at the video again. There are other doors open, and the "smoke" is just in the front. I would say it definately is smoke, but of course I don't know.

GlobeEx



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User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 23964 times:

Hmm.. Lets compare this to the picture of the AA emergency landing at LAX which landed due to smoke in the cabin.
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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 23870 times:



Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 14):
It obviously was not really an emergency evacuation.

There is only ONE kind of evacuation that we at HA are trained for, and it is an EMERGENCY evacuation. You either evacuate the aircraft in an emergency, or let the passengers deplane the aircraft under normal circumstances using a jetway or stairwell. There is no gray area as far as I am concerned. If the passengers and crew were not facing an emergency on this particular flight, there would never have been instructions given to evacuate. When the evacuation commands were given, it should have been done expeditiously, using proper commands and procedures. I would say that after watching this video, proper procedures were not followed.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 16):
Imagine if the pilot announced to evacuate the aircraft? With chaos possibly, and the amount of injuries that would have resulted.

Only the Captain can initiate an evacuation or the flight attendants can, in case the aircraft is engulfed in flames (it was not), or upon impact (there was no crash), or if the pilots were incapacitated (they were not). I think it's safe to say that the pilots initiated this evacuation.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 16):
Any reason why they used the forward exit doors with smoke up front?

My guess would be that due to the collapse of the nose gear, the aft slides could not reach the ground creating an unsafe condition at the aft doors. From the video, it looked like the forward doors on both sides were NOT used, and that the evacuation was conducted utilizing the mid cabin doors.

Quoting Bohica (Reply 17):
This video reminds me of the end of the "Airplane" movie where the flight attendant is saying "goodbye" and "thanks for flying" when the passengers are going down the slide.

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Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 18):
I don't think that it is condensation. Just look at the video again. There are other doors open, and the "smoke" is just in the front.

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HALFA



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 23778 times:



Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 18):
I don't think that it is condensation. Just look at the video again. There are other doors open, and the "smoke" is just in the front. I would say it definately is smoke, but of course I don't know.

But only at the end of the video. We don't know if it's building in the back of the plane as well. Also the front end is 10% lower than the rear (10% slope from collapsed gear), so condensation may have settled to the front more. Smoke tends to rise, condensation settles.

And you'd think that if it was smoke from any kind of fire, it would have a color and a smell. It seems to be hazy white like condensation from power plants, and nobody is concerned about a smell that I could see. And there was no sign of smoke outside the plane…



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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7212 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 23753 times:



Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 19):
Hmm.. Lets compare this to the picture of the AA emergency landing at LAX which landed due to smoke in the cabin.

Fire Crews had time to get to the runway before the aircraft was even on Final. Smoke was in the cabin while the plane was in the air this is a very serious problem.

It did seem weird how the crew handled the situation but why should they rush the evacuations with a problem like a nose gear failure. I'm sure once it happened the pilots where in contact with ATC and im sure ATC told the pilots that there was no smoke or fire visible. Many people would have been injured possibly seriously injured if the captain ordered an immediate emergency evacuation. This is not an AF 358 type situation.

Anyone know where this smoke came from? I dont remember reading anything about a fire on this flight but after looking at picture online the Fire department did spray foam towards the nose gear.



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User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1603 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22695 times:

I've got a very strange feeling after watching this video - as most of you.

Looks and sounds like 747 crew is pretty much confident that the nose gear collapse is not actually belly landing. Which is right - compared to a "full scale" belly landing of a heavy 4 holer.

From what the crew announced and the way they evacuated I could only assume that there is a particular 747 nose gear collapsed landing procedure - with minimum fuel left and all systems working besides the nose gear. And it may differ from emergency evacuation.

Nobody is in haste here. No ambulances, fire trucks along the runway.
And it is on Guam where 2 big airports - civil and military - are close to each other!

I think we need a word from an expert of 747.


User currently offlineReltney From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22674 times:

It was not a belly landing. Just a collapsted nose gear. Big difference..


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25 M404 : For what it's worth I agree that it's not smoke but condensation from the humid climate. He was sitting in front of the engines but I don't know where
26 ThePalauan : She still sits outside of the CS hangar on the opposite side of the field. I read a while back they were going to scrap her but that seems to have go
27 Pellegrine : I think the answer to the question is "who knows"??? I usually carry-on 2 bags. One small flat one (with all the valuables ) is inside the larger car
28 Leezyjet : I understand what you are saying, but in a situation like the one shown, there would be no possiblility to deplane by steps or a jetway due to the de
29 Smi0006 : Very interesting I wonder what the crash investigation says?? At QF-link (I presume QF mainline would be similar) we had not only Full scale ‘Evacu
30 Jeffry747 : Just my two cents here, but I have loaded 747 Classics many times for UPS. Sometimes on a hot and humid night with the main cargo door open and the A
31 Post contains links Centrair : " target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezYMG..._VtFI 2005/08/19 @GUAM NW74 Video Posted by Centrair 2days 12h on Mon Sep 01 00:21 But that is
32 Ditzyboy : At my airline we have a Precautionary Evacuation, which can be performed using stairs or slides. This is initiated by the Captain who, after liaising
33 PlateMan : Is all that dinging during the evacuation the plane's fire alarm system? Are the systems audible or what?
34 Ditzyboy : At my airline we cease making the Brace commands when passengers comply or when it would be unsafe to continue making them (very rough landing / roll
35 Ferroviarius : Good afternoon, before allowing myself to ask some questions, I should like to state that I am not involved professionally and have never been in air
36 Burnsie28 : It wasn't would you be that calm or have no problems breathing if you had smoke, it didn't effect anyone. So everyone is saying that the crew should
37 Cruiseshipcrew : Does anyone know why they kept making the bing sounds when everyone was leaving? What did they mean?
38 QQflyboy : My guess is it was a smoke detector. On most a/c the smoke detector sounds the chime system continuously when activated. It seems unlikely, but in fa
39 Nwa757boy : The three consecutive chimes was the Emergency Call chime. Or on the 747 its called the Priority Call. It could of initiated from the Flight Deck to
40 Post contains links United1 : Well at least everyone was OK in the end... The preliminary NTSB report doesn't mention anything about a fire. http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/GenPDF.asp?id=
41 PlateMan : Great, thanks. Is that one of the calls where a FA stops what they are doing to respond? It sounds like an all hands on deck... Pretty much like an "
42 United_Fan : So,is the plane still there ? Last I heard , it was sans engines waiting to be sunk for a reaf.
43 NWA757boy : Yes it is a stop what are you doing, the Lead/Purser picks up the phone, "Nature of the Emergency?" Coming back from DUS on the 757 we were doing the
44 Post contains links and images F9Widebody : Here's a picture of the hole: View Large View MediumPhoto © Jeffrey S. DeVore
45 Spacecadet : Thank you, this is what I was getting at in my reply. I didn't know if this was the case at NWA but I do know that the cabin crew is trained on exact
46 RussianJet : We all know you're not even supposed to have electronic devices on during a normal landing. Am I the only one here who thinks that operating a video
47 Litz : Also note in the video, that upon stopping there was an obvious shutdown procedure in progress ... first you could see the bulkhead LCD panel go dark,
48 FLY2HMO : And how is that a belly landing if it was only the nose gear that collapsed???
49 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Yes, I wouldn't call that a belly landing. This is a belly landing, PIA 747-200 at ISB in 1986 where the crew forgot to lower the gear. The aircraft
50 RJ111 : I'm suprised the fire engines didn't come over as a precaution. Surely the captain could request it from ATC? If there's smoke they should evacuate im
51 QQflyboy : It may be a terminology difference. At my airline we are trained for evacuations, which are exactly that, evacuations, and then there are "emergency
52 United_Fan : Wow,incredible pics of that PAI 747. They say it was rebulit,too. Can you imagine what that must have sounded like !
53 Dragon6172 : The cut in video around the 50 second mark leads me to believe that he did have the video shut off for the landing, and turned it back on when he rea
54 F9Animal : Gotcha. Thanks! I thought about that too. Obviously, I am not a flight attendant! Glad to have you guys and gals on this site to educate us! This is
55 USAFDO : quoting QQflyboy "...If the smoke is too thick, the fire too hot or the water too high, get out! Simple rules to follow and remember..." I think that
56 RussianJet : Nevermind landing specifically, it strikes me as really stupid to be filming at all in this situation.
57 USAFDO : I think everyone should be questioning whether or not the NW F/A's followed their company training & procedures on an emergency ACFT evacuation, and w
58 QQflyboy : Just reciting my training, that's all. I'm not preaching anything. My point is, a non-emergency can go to a full scale emergency in a heart beat, hen
59 RussianJet : More by luck than design, as if things had taken a turn for the worse it could have been a very unwelcome distraction, or a nice object to fly around
60 Post contains links and images Cloudyapple : Looks like the engines are still there. I'd have thought they would be the first thing to be removed once the scrap decision has been made. View Large
61 Aviators99 : Depends what stage you are talking about. During approach and landing, I would only call it the height of disregard for rules. There's nothing partic
62 DODCFR : I'm sorry to reply without viewing the video (you Tube is blocked at work) but, I spent 28 years driving Crash Fire Trucks and we don't use the sirens
63 RussianJet : The thing is, we can see now what happened and so we know it probably wasn't dangerous. However, actually in that situation you cannot tell what's go
64 USAFDO : RussianJet.... I believe the problem is that it clearly shows the F/A's did not follow company policy on performing their duties. There should have be
65 Blackbird1331 : Who knew the guy was even filming. Is that the focus of F/As in this type situation? Was it hidden with the guy anticipateing someone telling him not
66 EWRCabincrew : This is why I asked what I asked earlier. Just found a few things interesting.
67 QQflyboy : USAFDO, are you an NW cabin crew member? If not, I hope you're somehow an expert on their procedures to make such claims. I don't know if the flight a
68 Dragon6172 : It was 2005, I am sure it has been seen and whatever action taken is long past. They obviously decided it was a non-event. Right before the guy goes
69 NWA757boy :
70 USAFDO : Just remember back to last year, the China Airlines 737 on fire, and then it exploded. You never know what might happen when!!! The male F/A who opene
71 Ditzyboy : This is what I imagine a similar incident would look like at my airline. Sans the hand luggage, hopefully! I earlier referred to my airline's procedu
72 Aastew : NW F/A procedures are to pull manual inflation on all a/c types all the time. Also I thought the foreign national F/A's were so superior in service, g
73 FlyLKU : It is fun to read how folks on this forum second guess the experience and judgment of a senior flight crew WHO WERE ACTUALLY THERE! Rule # 1: Don't ma
74 NWA757boy : It's Standard Operating Procedure to pull the manual inflation handle. And yes it has been addressed in training.
75 Post contains links USAFDO : NWA757boy...can you explain to all of us why the F/A's all remained silent during an evacuation? Also, why was there not EVAC alarm going off like in
76 Smi0006 : Lol I was going to ask about that. The other question to ask ourselves is how many people were hurt or died? I presume minor injuries from friction b
77 Spacecadet : Exactly, and in fact it wasn't. NTSB didn't even investigate. No fire. Only 2 minor injuries, both from the evacuation itself. No need to make a situ
78 ThePalauan : The engines have been off for a very long time now. She's still standing in the same spot from where the the photo was taken. I practically see it ev
79 Embajador3 : I'm sorry but you've gone too far by saying this. Their training is hard and lasts for 1 month, while many airlines only provide a week or two traini
80 Mika : I have seen that same documentary (i believe) and i am absolutely sure that whatever goes on during FR training also goes on at the major airline's t
81 LH526 : HOW, I wonder: HOW can this happen??
82 RussianJet : And it costs a lot too. But seriously, say what you like, FR may be competent by and large, but they're hardly the creme de la creme of the FA world.
83 CallBell : This is probably because it was not an Emergency evacuation. It was a controlled deplaning using the slides as steps would have been unusable due to
84 Woody71 : I was wondering this myself. How can a Capt. and F/O, experienced enough to be flying a 747, forget to lower the gear. Really? I would hope that the
85 RJ111 : I assume they neglected the landing checklist. Definately a "d'oh" moment. With one small mistake you've caused more $$$s worth of damage than you wo
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