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CO To Start Thrice Weekly IAH-GIG Nonstop  
User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1062 posts, RR: 8
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11440 times:

The brazilian press is reporting that CO will launch a IAH-GIG nonstop service soon. I quote (in portuguese only)

Quote:
A Continental Airlines acaba de anunciar, durante a La Cumbre, que vai iniciar um vôo direto entre Rio e Houston. Ainda não foi confirmado se serão três ou quatro freqüências semanais.

Full story (in portuguese only

And a quick translation:

"Continental Airlines just announced, during the La Cumbre, that will start a direct flight between Rio and Houston. It hasn't been confirmed if it will be three or four weekly flights."

Where would CO get these frequencies from? The next round of frequencies of the US-Brazil bilateral will only be available by july next year so I guess it would be too far for such announcement. Any thoughts?


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11423 times:

How does DL and UA do on their respective ATL/IAD-GIG flights?

User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11397 times:

I would be fairly surprised to see them "waste" a widebody on IAH-GIG when GIG is traditionally low-yield. I would think that they've got much lower-hanging fruit to pick before a non-stop to Rio.

User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 788 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11387 times:

Not to nitpick but it says direct, not non-stop. Tag on from GRU perhaps?

User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6312 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11347 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 2):
I would be fairly surprised to see them "waste" a widebody on IAH-GIG

lets say it all together ...OIL....



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User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11337 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 2):
I would be fairly surprised to see them "waste" a widebody on IAH-GIG when GIG is traditionally low-yield. I would think that they've got much lower-hanging fruit to pick before a non-stop to Rio.

The GIG low-yield talk is a myth, especially when you're talking about IAH. GIG is an oil destination and as such takes most of the premium seats on the IAH-GRU-GIG flights.

Quoting DualQual (Reply 3):
Not to nitpick but it says direct, not non-stop. Tag on from GRU perhaps?

That's already the case.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7760 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11332 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 4):

lets say it all together ...OIL....

Is Rio a big Oil destination?

The article says the flight will be direct. That means one stop, not nonstop.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11301 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 6):
Is Rio a big Oil destination?



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 5):
GIG is an oil destination and as such takes most of the premium seats on the IAH-GRU-GIG flights.

GIG is an oil destination and by no means low-yield destination. However, I cannot confirm whether GIG takes the bulk of IAH-GRU-GIG premium seats. I still think that GRU commands yields and loads for IAH. The latest information I have is that about 30% of CO traffic in Brazil is GIG, the balance GRU and DL nonstop GIG flight has captured a lot of CO market in GIG. But CO would certainly take a wise decision in operating 3/4 weekly IAH-GIG dedicated, although as mentioned it seems the service will be "direct" and probably routed via GRU or elsewhere.

Rgs,


User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11293 times:

The current flight is already routed IAH-GRU-GIG on a 764.

They wouldn't make an announcement for something that has been happening for years.

However, I didn't think there were frequencies available for additions to Brazil? I wonder if this means the flight might do something like this;

IAH-GRU-GIG (1,3,5,7)
IAH-GIG-GRU (2,4,6)

On a personal note, I've flown this route 5 times in the past 3 years in the bizfirst cabin. The majority of passengers upfront are heading to GIG in my experience. The plane stops in GRU and meets up with the 762 that flies EWR-GRU to pick up passengers traveling from EWR to GIG.


User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11280 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 6):
The article says the flight will be direct.

Direct is nonstop in Portuguese.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 6):
Is Rio a big Oil destination?

Yes, increasingly.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7760 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11269 times:



Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 8):

On a personal note, I've flown this route 5 times in the past 3 years in the bizfirst cabin. The majority of passengers upfront are heading to GIG in my experience. The plane stops in GRU and meets up with the 762 that flies EWR-GRU to pick up passengers traveling from EWR to GIG.

Thats why I dont think this:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 8):

IAH-GRU-GIG (1,3,5,7)
IAH-GIG-GRU (2,4,6)

would work.

The plane meets up with the EWR flight so that they can get the flight to GIG too. If they want a nonstop flight from IAH, it needs to be its own flight.



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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1062 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11230 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):
The plane meets up with the EWR flight so that they can get the flight to GIG too. If they want a nonstop flight from IAH, it needs to be its own flight.

CO could fly EWR-GRU-GIG on the days the IAH flights stops at Rio first so NYC pax can also reach GIG without connecting at IAH.



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User currently offlineTylerDurden From United States of America, joined May 2008, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11167 times:



Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 8):
The majority of passengers upfront are heading to GIG in my experience.

I've seen just the opposite...I did the flight four times in the last six months to meet with a shipping concern. Most of us in Biz First deplaned at Sao Paulo...

Just an observation. It's actually tough to get a biz class ticket on any carrier to Brazil.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11156 times:



Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 12):
Just an observation. It's actually tough to get a biz class ticket on any carrier to Brazil.

CO fares to GRU/GIG are rarely promotional and as you said indeed very difficult to book Biz class. CO performance in GRU/GIG is indeed oustanding and increased capacity ( in the form of IAH-GIG dedicated) long overdue. DL captured a lot of CO pax base in GIG because of its nonstop operation to ATL.

Rgs,


User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11150 times:



Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 12):

I've seen just the opposite...I did the flight four times in the last six months to meet with a shipping concern. Most of us in Biz First deplaned at Sao Paulo...

Just an observation. It's actually tough to get a biz class ticket on any carrier to Brazil.

Doesn't everybody have to deplane anyway? AA and UA make all passengers deplane at GRU

[Edited 2008-09-04 08:55:00]

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11112 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 14):
Doesn't everybody have to deplane anyway? AA and UA make all passengers deplane at GRU

No, pax bound to GIG (IAH-GRU-GIG) remain inside the plane even because ground time is very short.

Rgs,


User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11076 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 15):

No, pax bound to GIG (IAH-GRU-GIG) remain inside the plane even because ground time is very short.

So, AA and UA are the only neurotic airlines.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11058 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 16):
So, AA and UA are the only neurotic airlines.

LH (FRA-GRU-EZE) previously would also not allow pax to deboard. The same for the current LX ZRH-GRU-SCL pax cannot deboard.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11458 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10896 times:
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Hope they can announce this soon, but now they have no additional frequencies which means i continue to expect this flight for June/09 with the new "fight" for 14 weekly flights which will include GIG. On my view, CO will apply for 4x IAH-GIG and DL for JFK-GIG.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
How does DL and UA do on their respective ATL/IAD-GIG flights?

DL does extremely well on ATL-GIG, they will upgrade the route to 764 during the IATA summer again.

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 2):
would be fairly surprised to see them "waste" a widebody on IAH-GIG when GIG is traditionally low-yield

Waste ? You don't know what you are talking about.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 4):
lets say it all together ...OIL....

Yes... Rio Oil & Gas will take place in two weeks... 36,000 M2 sold... 700 companies including more than 150 from the US. It's the largest Oil Congress in South Hemisphere and Rio is the largest oil destination in South America. Yes, in South America. Venezuela is on the hands of the government.
Just need to say PETROBRAS, 57,000 employees, 3,000 on R&D Centers, almost 2 mm barrels a day and the pre-salt activity...

http://www.ibp.org.br/main.asp?Team=...4D807-8003-4381-9E92-32D782BD0837}
http://www.petrobras.com.br

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 6):
Is Rio a big Oil destination?

See above.

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 8):
On a personal note, I've flown this route 5 times in the past 3 years in the bizfirst cabin. The majority of passengers upfront are heading to GIG in my experience.

I have lots of friends in the oil industry, mostly fly CO and DL and i confirm your comment. The IAH-GIG is long awaited (CO lost a lot of costumers to DL which begin to visit on a regular basis Macae base)



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10858 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 17):

LH (FRA-GRU-EZE) previously would also not allow pax to deboard. The same for the current LX ZRH-GRU-SCL pax cannot deboard.

That's the normal.


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10850 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 2):
I would be fairly surprised to see them "waste" a widebody on IAH-GIG when GIG is traditionally low-yield. I would think that they've got much lower-hanging fruit to pick before a non-stop to Rio.

One speaks of which one knows nothing of..

I have flown CO on the IAH-GRU-GIG route for years, I can tell you that everytime I fly the route be it in Economy or be in Business First the route does very well to the Rio de Janeiro market. There is a very common myth on A.net that all of the high yield to the Brasilian market terminates in GRU. That is both a tired and false myth put forward by people who either dont understand the GIG market, or dont comprehend the wealth of industry in RJ state.

A route that connects two oil markets, a route that connects two industrial centers, a route that connects two wealthy demographic markets is not low yield, it is however a route that once started will be a stellar performer. We are not talking about a 767-400, we are talking about a 767-200. The same capacity of a 757-200. In that very same instance IAH-GRU will in most cases turn from a 767-400 to a 767-200 due to the lost capacity that was otherwise the GIG terminating passengers.

So take my reply with a grain of salt, but having flown the route 3 times last year alone, I can attest from first hand knowledge that the GIG terminating passengers are not low yield. In the same instance it would not be a "waste" to separate IAH-GRU-GIG into two separate flights. The last time I checked the term "low yield" does not apply itself to the people who head to Buzios, Tijuca, Petropolis, or even in Rio itself to such hotels as the Copacabana Palace and Caesar Park.


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10832 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):
The plane meets up with the EWR flight so that they can get the flight to GIG too. If they want a nonstop flight from IAH, it needs to be its own flight.

The past few times last year alone that I flew IAH-GRU-GIG, at most was 10 people from the EWR flight joining us in GRU to continue to GIG.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7760 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10818 times:

Maybe they could fly both IAH-GRU and IAH-GIG with 762's? At some point based on which preforms better, they could switch one or both to a 764.

Of course this is if they could get the frequencies.

Just a thought.



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User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10792 times:

Lambert-

I fit your demographic. I've stayed at the Caesar Park the last 4 trips I've taken down to Rio. I love that place!


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10787 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 22):
Maybe they could fly both IAH-GRU and IAH-GIG with 762's? At some point based on which preforms better, they could switch one or both to a 764.

Already been suggested ..

Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 20):
We are not talking about a 767-400, we are talking about a 767-200. The same capacity of a 757-200. In that very same instance IAH-GRU will in most cases turn from a 767-400 to a 767-200 due to the lost capacity that was otherwise the GIG terminating passengers

In essence if CO can gain the frequencies I can see IAH-GIG-GRU 4x per week and IAH-GRU-GIG 3x per week with the 764. Or if they can gain an additional 7 frequencies we will see the split IAH-GRU with the 762 and IAH-GIG with the 762.


25 TylerDurden : That I don't know...my rudimentary observation is based on running into most the Biz First passengers waiting for drivers, etc after clearing immagra
26 Lambert747 : See, we do exist, we are human, and we have both gone to show that the "low-yield" Rio and RJ state myth is a myth and nothing more... I need an Itai
27 LipeGIG : What to tell you guys, i do this trip US-GIG 12 to 14 times a year, always on C or F and can tell anyone, it's hard to get a C seat. I know very well
28 PanAm330 : Last time I checked, not everybody heads to those places, so that point is totally mute. That's like saying there is no possible way that any flight
29 EWRCabincrew : Well, CO already serves IAH-GIG direct. As for a nonstop, it'll remain to be seen until the 787s get here. I can only speculate, as everyone else here
30 C010T3 : The idea of IAH-GIG nonstop is not new, so it's been on the wish list for quite a while. You have to recognize the importance of GIG, since CO has be
31 Airzim : You're starting to sound very similar to a former member on this forum that had a few alias including, LHR001. Historically, Rio has been lower yield
32 Post contains links LipeGIG : Let me correct you. You should research better about yields on Economy to Rio. Tell that yields are low year-round is false considering solely three
33 DeltaL1011man : Very well ATL-GIG will be 10x weekly 764 this winter i belive. LipeGIG? This is true but with IAH-GRU-GIG could they not just make it IAH-GRU and IAH
34 LipeGIG : Up to now GIG-ATL will run daily with 764 (from 7x mostly times 763 last year, 9x January, 8x February). DL is looking to add one to three daylight f
35 Lambert747 : Sao Paulo may be the financial industry of Brasil, but RIO is the oil capitol. Both have premium demand, hence the lack of J seats as often has been
36 Airzim : Calm down and don't get so defensive. There is no doubt there is extremely high yielding demand times to Rio, particularly during the Christmas perio
37 Lambert747 : The high yield travelers to Rio de Janeiro are not seasonal. It is ok... to a Paulista, Sao Paulo is the World.. However, to those of us with family
38 BRJ : I flew Continental's 93/94 flight in April 2004 in BusinessFirst, was very enjoyable experience...on our inbound flight to GIG, we remaineid on the p
39 Max Q : Well I wish we would bring back the Newark-Rio non stop on the 764. That was a great trip, and we carried good loads..
40 777law : May have been mentioned earlier, but PETROBRAS is head quartered in Rio; and Brazil / Petrobras have found some massive oil reserves in the past coup
41 Incitatus : Come on, you and Mr C010T3 take as a personal insult if anybody says anything negative about Rio. In reality the Rio hotel infrastructure has suffere
42 EXAAUADL : yes, that is a good point
43 C010T3 : I'm sorry, but when a metropolis is considered a low-yielding destination, it is not a very positive sign. We need to have balance between tourism an
44 PU752 : If the oil business in Rio is so important and "guarantees" good yields, then why EK didn't start DXB-GIG or even a stopover on DXB-EZE? or is it beca
45 C010T3 : Because of the ties between Houston and Rio in terms of offshore drilling technology.
46 PU752 : So this means daily good loads in premium and also in economy to justify IAH-GIG? just wondering though...
47 C010T3 : Separated IAH-GIG and IAH-GRU flights become competing services. It's CO's job to evaluate how many flights can be added. EWR-GRU must also be consid
48 Yellowtail : Em...hmm...because contrary to popular belief....DXB has NO OIL!....EK is after other kinds of traffic including connecting going to India etc. It ma
49 Hardiwv : There is no oil business in DXB, the oil business in the UAE is located in Abu Dhabi. Rgs,
50 LipeGIG : I was just replying to you as you mentioned "Historically, Rio has been lower yielding year round in the rear of the aircraft". I believe you agree w
51 MaverickM11 : Like most destinations, it depends from where you fly. GRUNYC is high(er) yield, particularly compared to GRULAX for instance.
52 Incitatus : I did not intend to bash anybody and no, I have not "run out of arguments". I am going to argue the opposite. Take flights from Europe to Luanda. Who
53 Hardiwv : The problem of this Rio x Sao Paulo debate is that you always get the same negative opinion regarding Sao Paulo flights from the same people. You can
54 LipeGIG : People that can fly non-stop cares, i.e. employees of oil companies. I would love to have a non-stop from Rio to New York and i know how better it is
55 C010T3 : I have never said that. I defend daily GRU-MUC and GRU-LAX. I think that it is more positive for SAO to have a broader destination spectrum. I'm even
56 Hardiwv : Great and we are in the same page, as I would also always defend GIG. When I criticised GIG infrastructure it was for the same reason Rio's Governor
57 LAXdude1023 : Heres what CO has to take into consideration. If by introducing a nonstop IAH-GIG, will it cannibalize traffic from IAH-GRU? If so, then the right th
58 AF086 : Perhaps they'd consider stretching the EWR-GRU flight to GIG to take care of that.
59 LipeGIG : IIRC Halliburton have about 500 own staff members in Rio plus some in Macae and a small office in Salvador. They are a good partner of Petrobras. Agr
60 LipeGIG : Good point. But also be in mind, CO has few opportunities to increase Latin America presence with profits. IAH-GIG would be one of the best (may be t
61 LAXdude1023 : That would be a really bad move. Granted that GIG does have some High Yielding traffic, its nowhere near what GRU has and its more specific. Im not s
62 LipeGIG : Giving CO hubs, i do believe they can fly in 2010: IAH-GIG Daily B764 IAH-GRU-CWB or POA Daily B762 EWR-GRU Daily B764 EWR-GIG-CWB or POA 4/5 weekly
63 LAXdude1023 : Im not saying that CO shouldnt fly to GIG, but I dont think it can be at the expense of GRU in any way.
64 C010T3 : Well, it wouldn't make a difference having the IAH originated aircraft parked at GRU instead of the EWR one.
65 LipeGIG : I got... so it should be extremely careful after AA, TAM and DL introduces more flights as it will took some passengers that for sure need to connect
66 Post contains links 102IAHexpress : Tomorrow the Brazilian Arts Foundation will host their Samba Night in Jones Plaza. What a great place for CO to start getting the word out about this
67 LAXdude1023 : Well the route doesnt exist yet, but if they decide to open the route, that would be an amazing way to get it out.
68 DeltaL1011man : Didn't they say they are looking into IAH-DXB?
69 Lambert747 : That has been rumored for a few years along with LOS, we have yet to see either one come into play. I would think that IAH-GIG-Luanda would be a gold
70 LipeGIG : Correct, TAAG service LAD-GIG is a real gold mine. But a flight IAH-GIG-LAD is a big detour, i don't believe it may happen. And as far as i know, now
71 2travel2know : I really doubt that Brazil and Angola will grant 5th liberty rights to a U.S. airline to fly between GIG and LAD. If anything, and this is pure specu
72 EWRCabincrew : They did (and a few more to be looked at), but announced are PVG, MAA, BLR and HYD.
73 Pbb152 : Have MAA, BLR, and HYD been officially announced? I've seen that CO has stated their intention to fly to all 3 cities in the future, but nothing "off
74 GoldenJet707 : Flights are already in the computer. Nonstop GIG service will start on Dec 17 2008 three times weekly on a trial basis for 3 months. ANAC approval was
75 LipeGIG : Very good news and a surprise as so quick CO managed to get the flights. Seems to be the first time CO got extra flights (as CO and DL require on a r
76 C010T3 : Wow! I didn't expect that to come so fast. If it works, could CO apply for temporary use of UA's seasonal frequencies as they go dormant next April?
77 AF086 : Agreed. I expect this one to stay all year long after Q309 (the second round of the US-Brazil bilateral is in july09) I thought CO would begin with t
78 LipeGIG : Now i noticed that from many legs from São Paulo to Rio AA will become the sole one 3x weekly with it's AA950 GIG-JFK (stops in São Paulo) service.
79 LAXdude1023 : Great news for GIG, IAH, and CO! Im assuming this is a seasonal route since its only for 3 months?
80 C010T3 : We can't really call it seasonal, since the authority was granted as a special authorization for extra flights.
81 Hardiwv : I could not understand. Is AA also revising the schedule? Great premium schedule providing an important relief for the GIG market.
82 CALPSAFltSkeds : If CWB or POA were profitable, then would the below make sense? Off Peak (all flights cross connect at GRU) IAH-GRU-GIG daily EWR-GRU-CWB 4 days EWR-
83 Neo : Well, congratulations to CO for getting the approval for extra frequencies . It is very clear, despite of what many said here, that a separate GIG se
84 LipeGIG : I was just saying that AA would become the only one with Rio-Sao Paulo legs 3x weekly. AA would not change AA950/951 schedule. It's a matter of time
85 C010T3 : Well, I'm surely hoping for it. CO could really try going for IAH and even EWR as well. I hope they enter Star Alliance soon. If 14 frequencies are c
86 AznMadSci : At the end of 3months, will CO be able to renew or just a one time shot from ANAC until more flights become available?
87 LipeGIG : I don't know but considering China frequencies, i would say at least six months before to allow airlines to organize and marketing the new flights. T
88 JJ8080 : Don't have any idea of were you may have found your info but you are totally wrong. There is quite big demand for IAH-GIG route and a lot for premium
89 AznMadSci : I would be curious where CO would get the 772 to do IAH/EWR-GRU. I would think they would put a 772 to EZE before any Brazil flights just because the
90 JJ8080 : I'm not a CO speciallist and that's something I've nerver undestood (why they don't send, or almost not) 777s down here to Brazil. Althoug, my ideia
91 DeltaL1011man : yes in the GRU summer No if LAX-GRU looks like it needs more than 2x-3x weekly then they will likely take more from JFK-GRU.
92 Lambert747 : Does anyone know if it is possible for DL to if LAX-GRU works well to add a tag for LAX-GRU-GIG service. It was my impression from flying RG back in
93 JJ8080 : JFK-GRU loads aren't good?
94 DeltaL1011man : I would think they might try for LAX-GIG next year. Not so much loads but its more of a yield thing. DL has the most trouble out of NYC to GRU.
95 2travel2know : CO IAH-REC/SSA? Any oil-related business travel between those? I might see a EWR-FOR/REC/SSA more realistic.
96 Lambert747 : LAX-GIG as a nonstop? I don't think they there is enough demand for a nonstop, as much as I would LOVE it. I know that a lot of West Coast Brasilians
97 DeltaL1011man : which is why I think it will happen (the GOL codeshare) and only 2-3x weekly.
98 EWRCabincrew : I stand corrected. Seems like the GIG non-stop will be similar to the EWR-GRU-EWR and IAH-EZE-IAH trips. Maybe the GIG layover (IAH-GRU-GIG-GRU-IAH) w
99 LipeGIG : Could be interesting, but probably DL would try to fly JFK-GIG first and to consolidate the just requested flight from LAX to São Paulo. Lets wait a
100 SA744 : Maybe they should think of continuing onto JNB, think they would pick up pretty descent loads from there.
101 Incitatus : Since Brazil and US signed the new frequencies this topic has not been boring for a single day. With a few frequencies becoming available every year,
102 MaverickM11 : They have the lowest load factor in the NYCGRU market
103 Post contains links HB-IWC : It seems as if the airline has now announced the new service - thrice weekly seasonal service from IAH to GIG with B764 between December and February:
104 Csavel : Is PETROBRAS HQ in Rio? And a myth that I believed!!! I always thought that São Paulo was Brazil's New York - and that Rio had Samba, crime, hot chi
105 LAXdude1023 : Sao Paulo is Brazils NYC. And GRU does have MORE high yielding traffic than GIG. However, the myth is that GIG has no High Yielding traffic.
106 C010T3 : Yes. That's insane.
107 LipeGIG : Not only HQ, but 90% of it's personel, 85% of oil rigs, the freight company (Transpetro), the petrochemical company (Quattor), the chemical company (
108 Post contains links LipeGIG : Take a look on this Sunday NY Times Travel http://travel.nytimes.com/2008/09/07...scp=1&sq=Rio%20de%20Janeiro&st=cse Rio is slowly back to the news n
109 Post contains links Neo : Correct, and actually when we say Rio we have to think of the whole state of RJ and not only the capital city. Also other emerging oil industries in
110 Dellatorre : " target=_blank>http://www.arcoweb.com.br/arquitetur...6.asp The HQ's project is great!!! Actually I just passed by the construction site this week a
111 LipeGIG : Correct, Vitoria is the 2nd largest oil market in Brazil (considering capitals) and it's the city more conected to Rio (besides São Paulo) not only
112 Drerx7 : That 764 is coming off of CO73 IAH-HNL, that one is going to 762 12/17.
113 CALPSAFltSkeds : I believe you are mistaking the code for the Pacific vs. Eurpopean version of the 764. Flight 73 is shown operating with a 767 on their PCtime table.
114 Hardiwv : One question: what will happen to the regular pax that usually flies EWR-GIG via GRU in the days EWR-GRU terminates in GRU while the seasonal IAH-GIG
115 C010T3 : They will be consolidated on the four remaining days. I don't think it's a problem. Yes.
116 LipeGIG : Banco do Brasil, Pao de Açucar (supermarket), Carrefour, Correios (Mail), they have more employees, but none has so much as Petrobras on the same ci
117 Post contains links LipeGIG : As a note... Petrobras just announce more 3 to 4 billion barrels light oil discovered 225km (130 miles) in front of Rio de Janeiro city. Very welcome
118 Hardiwv : It is a problem. I already know of friends who usually travel on business about 8 times per year with CO EWR-GRU-GIG and will switch to another airli
119 LipeGIG : They will have the option to get TAM non-stop as my self Not that bad Hardi, in fact 15h40min if you take CO311 EWR 1705 IAH 2009, still more than on
120 CALPSAFltSkeds : If there's enough traffic EWR-GIG, then CO could simply extend the EWR-GRU service to GIG on those three days per week for three months. Right now CO
121 C010T3 : Exactly.
122 Incitatus : Though Newark and JFK can be of very different convenience depending on where one lives/works.
123 LipeGIG : Yes, but even a trip EWR-JFK is quicker than any stop in any place. You're changing 3h for may be 1h30.
124 Hardiwv : Exactly, for those living in NJ area JFK is not an option. As I said, my friends investigated the matter and the best option now from EWR to GIG is w
125 LipeGIG : Good point, or even as i'm now supporting, an extension to CWB or POA. But CNF is by far the largest O&D from US to Brazil. True on weekdays. A note
126 Hardiwv : Perfect! Agree, I am also supporting IAH-GIG daily B764 with a tag on, could be CNF or POA. The tag on would also help CO when it competes for the GI
127 LipeGIG : Correction: US Helicopter instead of Shuttle America (which is in fact a regional ERJ operator) Hardi, for me CO could perform: EWR-GRU-CNF or CWB -
128 MAH4546 : No airline is going to tag-on to GRU or GIG. Forget about it. GIG and GRU can support the flight by themselves, and tagging on adds absolutely nothing
129 Incitatus : While I agree that tagging is mostly behind us and most possibilities raised are unlikely, I wouldn't be so dismissive that it will not be done. GRU
130 LipeGIG : Can support for sure, but with more flights, the South of Brazil will become the last frontier and now it's mostly on TAM hands. Tags in the way i me
131 LipeGIG : It does not surprises my self considering the power of the Oil & Gas Market: CO will deploy the B764 on IAH-GIG (35C 200Y) while IAH-GRU (20C 235Y) wi
132 EWRCabincrew : The 764 configuration with 20/235 is the Hawai'i configuration. Has nothing to really do with Air Mike or Micronesia. The 20/235 configuration are sh
133 Post contains links LipeGIG : Sorry, but please let me know why appears on the website as: Boeing 767-400ER Micronesia with 20/236 Configuration (767) And it's the plane showing o
134 AznMadSci : I know this configuration is usually flown HNL-GUM on CO/CS 01/02 since it does not get as much BF traffic yet very strong loads in Y. Yet the Micron
135 LipeGIG : Thanks, sounds that CO never change it on the website or the Micronesia just continue as a nickname for the plane.
136 Hardiwv : Great to see GIG filling the BF cabin of CO! This shows CO is aware of the premium demand in GIG. CO will do a great job in GIG! Rgs,
137 MaverickM11 : Any of the Brazil (or other) folks know if there is a Brazilian equivalent to DOT data that ANAC provides, perhaps passenger boardings by month to/fro
138 LipeGIG : Maverick, they only provide with annual basis. ANAC is looking to provide to the market a breakdown like DOT and other Civil Agencies, but up to now,
139 EWRCabincrew : I am unsure of that. We have/had aircraft for our Air Mike flying, but CO registered. The 764 is the latest widebody to be flying out of there. Like
140 MAH4546 : And it looks like AA was approved for a limited time seasonal JFK-GIG service this winter during the same period.
141 Lambert747 : Will the daily 772 JFK-GRU-GIG continue to operate as well?
142 LipeGIG : Nice news ! I just got the info today that some TAM services to GIG during December, even with just one week of sales, are Full ! Seems that we can e
143 LAXdude1023 : Would be nice to see AA run DFW-GRU-GIG. However, what will probably happen is AA will discontinue the GRU-GIG portion while the JFK-GIG flight is go
144 MAH4546 : No, not necessarily. AA still rather get frequencies to enter new markets from Miami, like FOR, MAO, etc. AA is going to keep their eye on where TAM
145 Hardiwv : I think it would make more sense for AA to fight for GIG-JFK dedicated. You cannot compare the potential yields which could be generated in this rout
146 LipeGIG : Correct, but be in mind that next year will be even more difficult to AA to get frequencies. We don't know about Spirit plans (considering DL service
147 MAH4546 : Correct, they can't compare, because the yield potential for MIA-FOR/BEL is much greater. It's a shorter flight, less competition, and a monopoly in
148 LipeGIG : Well, they should see DOT reports. BEL even as a second stop on FOR-BEL-MAO-MIA service shows less than 50% of FOR demand and just 20% of MAO. If FOR
149 MAH4546 : You take things to personally when they are against GIG. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why flights from Miami to the Northeast hav
150 Lambert747 : If the route was a sure home run additional miles would not be needed to encourage people to fly the route. There is a natural demand, and not many c
151 MAH4546 : Your reading comprehension is awesome. Let's try it again: American Airlines has double-miles promotions for nearly all new routes regardless of how
152 Lambert747 : It can be viewed by many, as is apparent by several in this topic that if the route was such a home run miles thrown at people would not be needed to
153 LAXdude1023 : Its simply a way of getting the routes name out there. Dont read so much into it.
154 LipeGIG : Not as you imagine and i wont see anything against GIG on your comment. You should also look to how you take things too personally when they are agai
155 Post contains links Hardiwv : Thanks for the very interesting explanation. I would not imagine AA would deploy the B763 to BEL. I think we will have very interesting developments
156 LipeGIG : I'm surprised by the fact they decided so quickly to begin the non-stop! Could be lack of planes and also just trying to understand the demand. And i
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