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U.S. Presidential Candidates' Aviation Policies  
User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5763 times:

Interesting read on the Popular Mechanics website...a breakdown of aviation-related policies held by the presidential candidates, John McCain and Barack Obama, ranging from updating the air traffic control system, to EAS, to outsourcing maintenance outside our borders.

McCain and Palin Chart Separate Course From Obama on Aviation [PopularMechanics.com]

We all know if the discussions strays into other areas of politics, mods might begin deleting individual posts or the whole thread, so stay on the topic of their aviation policies.

[Edited 2008-09-04 14:50:38]

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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5589 times:

So in otherwords McCain doesn't want to do anything good for the industry. Obama talked about the system when he was here in Grand Forks at the Democratic convention... he said we need a new system and sooner rather than later.


"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5538 times:

Well, I do think the user fee proposal is dead no matter who is elected. McCain voted against it, and Palin obviously is opposed to it. The democrats are more likely to raise a fuel tax on aviation, rather than a user fee.

As I said in another thread, the biggest aviation policy might be the EFCA, which everyone else agrees is a bad bill. But if it passes, and is signed by Obama, I think it will have a profound effect on the Delta/NW merger, as well as on the regional airline industry, noteably Skywest.

Without knowing where Obama really stands, I think Perimeter rules are in danger in a McCain administration, which will have an effect on DCA and LGA. If these are dropped, US will certainly launch transcons to DCA and LGA from the west coast (Before you naysayers say been there done that, US has said they can't make it work from JFK, but they might be able to make it work from LGA, and not only that, but it would allow them to get RJ's out of LGA), UA will completely pull out of JFK in favor of LGA with the PS, and may add PS to a DCA route. AA will likely add Transcons from LGA, and JFK would likely become nothing more than a transatlantic gateway for AA.

And McCain might try to overturn the wright compromise, and allow all carriers access to DAL.


User currently offlineChapavaeaa From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5438 times:

I've given this a bit of thought ever since the Sarah Palin announcement. If McCain/Palin were to be the winning ticket there would be an interesting dynamic in that McCain was an accomplished Naval aviator (on the other hand both George Bush's were military pilots as well) however the twist this time is that Cindy McCain obtained a Private ticket in the 80's. Palin's husband is listed as having a Private ticket as well, and has a 1958 Super Cub in the database. (I've heard about a float plane but I can't seem to locate anything concrete on that.) With all of the aviation related activities in Alaska I think the average person in that state is much more aware of the impact of all the various rules/limitations. In any event it would give at least a broad spectrum of knowledge (comparitively speaking) about aviation that we haven't seem to have had at any one time in the White House.

On the other hand, I can't seem to find any personal aviation links to Obama/Biden. Biden does take the Amtrack train home every evening to Delaware (90 minutes or so commute) and given some sort of award by Amtrack for his continual support of the rail system.

McCain did vote to allow PHX nonstop flights to DCA as I recall, however as a part of that vote he vowed not to ever take the nonstop flights. So far as I know, he has kept that promise by connecting through DFW and other hubs for all these years. Admirable if he has maintained that for all these years. The connect has got to add 90 minutes to the travel time each way I would think.

Just my thoughts...not trying to get political.


User currently offlineRafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5225 times:

Biden is an Amtrak boy. I think if he had his way, the Northeast corridor would have their entire track system upgraded allowing the Acela Express to actually run at intended speeds and speed up the WAS-PHL-NYC-BOS routes, better competing with the airline shuttles.

User currently offlineAuroraLives From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5173 times:



Quoting Chapavaeaa (Reply 3):
McCain did vote to allow PHX nonstop flights to DCA as I recall, however as a part of that vote he vowed not to ever take the nonstop flights.

Huh... why??  confused 


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2636 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

The most impact on the health of the industry would be lowering fuel prices. Jet fuel comes from oil and Obama wants to limit it and eliminate it, thus the price will go up. I don't think he'd even offer any subsidies or other incentives that can possibly offset high fuel prices.

User currently onlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5070 times:

Palin said they loved their Piper Cub so much they named their daughter Piper because of it. It was mentioned her husband Todd uses it tco commute to work in Northen Alaska. As a new gov Palin auctioned off on E-Bay her predecessors state aircraft, not sure of the type.

LGA777


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5055 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
So in otherwords McCain doesn't want to do anything good for the industry. Obama talked about the system when he was here in Grand Forks at the Democratic convention... he said we need a new system and sooner rather than later

no one will do anything for the ATC system, FAA will remain has it was in Bush and Clinton administrations: A dumping ground for political hacks with no experience.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5051 times:



Quoting LGA777 (Reply 7):
Palin said they loved their Piper Cub so much they named their daughter Piper because of it.

I guess their daughter should be thankful they didn't have an F28.

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4999 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 8):
no one will do anything for the ATC system, FAA will remain has it was in Bush and Clinton administrations: A dumping ground for political hacks with no experience.

Too bad. Mary Schiavo would be the perfect woman to run the FAA in my opinion. She would hold airlines accountable, and she would have the guts to fix all the problems with the FAA system thats broken right now. She has a history of doing so before she wound up in the private sector.


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4983 times:

Putting ATC in private hands would be an unmitigated disaster in the U.S. Privatisation does NOT mean the same thing in Europe that it does here in the U.S. European private contractors operate under a very high level of Governmental oversight and regulation, things that are anathema to many Private US corporations, who would start lobbying from day 1 to start stripping the regulatory authorities of their control.

At least on this front, Obama is dead right and McCain is dead wrong.


User currently offlineChapavaeaa From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

Quoting Chapavaeaa (Reply 3):
McCain did vote to allow PHX nonstop flights to DCA as I recall, however as a part of that vote he vowed not to ever take the nonstop flights.

Huh... why??

It was a matter of principal for him as I understand it. As far as I know he hasn't violated that vow. He does seem (as of several years ago) to pass through DFW a fair amount on a PHX-DFW-DCA or reverse routing.

The Alaska jet was a Westwind II. N328SA.

Bond007...I love your F27 comment.  Smile


User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

Well since Doug McCain adopted stepson of John McCain is commercial airline pilot he is going to have to know a bit about what the industry wants and needs. And of course McCain was a naval aviator himself and we all know Navy pilots are the best in the world.


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User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4795 times:

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 13):
And of course McCain was a naval aviator himself and we all know Navy pilots are the best in the world.

Yes!! and supposedly, so are Air Force Pilots, Marine Chopper Pilots, Army Pilots, Air France Pilots, United Pilots, Air India Pilots, RAF Pilots, Luftwaffe Pilots, Air Namibia Pilots, QANTAS Pilots, Swissair Pilots, Israeli Air Force Pilots, Japan Air Force Pilots, Emirates Pilots, Bush Pilots, Aeroflot Pilots, seaplane pilots, Lufthansa Pilots ......

Every body's favourite organisation invariably has the best pilots in the world!

In any case McCain himself was nowhere close to being one of the best pilots in the world. He finished near rock bottom of his class (894 out of 899) at Annapolis (where he was a legacy candidate thanks to his Admiral father) and was not a particularly gifted flyer - During training, he crashed at least 4 planes (although to be fair, the extent of his culpability in one of them was not firmly established) and once collided with power lines on approach. And impolite as it sounds for saying so, the fact that he was shot down over Hanoi doesn't particularly lend itself as a positive testimonial to his flying skills.

[Edited 2008-09-05 10:36:32]

User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4268 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 9):
I guess their daughter should be thankful they didn't have an F28.

Excellent!  Smile

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 13):
Well since Doug McCain adopted stepson of John McCain is commercial airline pilot he is going to have to know a bit about what the industry wants and needs.

That doesn't mean he and his son agree about the industry, though.

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 14):
And impolite as it sounds for saying so, the fact that he was shot down over Hanoi doesn't particularly lend itself as a positive testimonial to his flying skills.

Nor does it reflect badly on his flying skills. Hundreds of excellent pilots were shot down in SEA, and this comment demonstrates that you don't fully appreciate the dangers faced by the aviators who flew there. I don't think the comment was impolite, merely ignorant.


User currently offlineExaauadl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4174 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 10):
Too bad. Mary Schiavo would be the perfect woman to run the FAA in my opinion. She would hold airlines accountable, and she would have the guts to fix all the problems with the FAA system thats broken right now. She has a history of doing so before she wound up in the private sector.

no she'd be grounding planes left and right for no reason. She is shrill and hysterical


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4132 times:



Quoting Chapavaeaa (Reply 12):
It was a matter of principal for him as I understand it.

Out of pure curiosity, in what regard if I may ask? I know nothing at all about it and am just curious.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 6):
I don't think he'd even offer any subsidies or other incentives that can possibly offset high fuel prices.

Surely there is no reason why he, or anyone else, should.


User currently offlineLonghornDC9 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

Well folks, it sounds to me (from reading the article) that both candidates would probably support doing SOMETHING if elected, and I'd be very hesitant to say whether either candidate is "Dead Right" or "Dead Wrong." And I just hope that whoever is elected, that they are smart enough to base their decision on research and analysis by people who actually know what they're talking about, instead of any particular political ideology. (Which should be said for everything else too)

And

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 11):
U.S. Privatisation does NOT mean the same thing in Europe that it does here in the U.S. European private contractors operate under a very high level of Governmental oversight and regulation, things that are anathema to many Private US corporations

After having studied in Europe, I can say that this is definately true. However, this does not mean that some degree of "privatization" would be a disaster here in the US. You have to admit that the attitude of those in the ATC "industry" is much different from those in say a retail industry. People in ATC are very concerned with saftey and would probably be much more open to strict regulation to ensure that saftey. And, remember, this country has alot of companies that survive off government contracts and do alot of really amazing things. Companies like, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, United Space Alliance, Northrop Grumman, etc. I think that, especially since it seems to have been implemented in other advanced western countries with some degree of success, that we should at least investigate the how's and why's of privatization in those countries and the results it has had before we catagorically write it off as a possibility for this country. It may turn out to be a good idea, it may not, but I think it should be investigated if we want the best plan for America.

Also,

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 14):
And impolite as it sounds for saying so, the fact that he was shot down over Hanoi doesn't particularly lend itself as a positive testimonial to his flying skills.

Yes, you are right, it is very impolite and you probably should have just left it off your post. While this may have been true to some extent in WWI, In Vietnam and present times, when we have things like SAMs and radar guided missiles, your getting shot down is often times just your own bad luck. Please show some more respect for our Veterans, especially the ones who were POW's, it was a horrible thing they had to endure.



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User currently offlineChapavaeaa From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3985 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 17):
Out of pure curiosity, in what regard if I may ask? I know nothing at all about it and am just curious.

DCA had a restriction of around 1000 miles (i'm guessing here) for non-stop service a number of years ago. It was expanded to 1250 miles (if I'm not mistaken) so that DFW could fit into the new restriction. The following is according to Wikipedia:

In 1999, Senator John McCain of Arizona introduced legislation to remove the 1250-mile perimeter restriction, infuriating local residents concerned about noise and traffic from increased service by larger, long-haul aircraft. McCain argued that the move would improve competition, while critics charged he was supporting the interests of Phoenix, Arizona-based America West Airlines (AWA). In the end the restriction was not lifted, but the FAA was permitted to add additional exemptions, which went not to AWA but to competitor Alaska Airlines. America West (now US Airways) would later gain additional exemptions for non-stop service to Phoenix in 2004.

I think he made his vow to deflect the concern that he was supporting the interests of AWA. As near as I can tell from all ancedotal evidence he has kept it.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Cheers Chapavaeaa.....thanks indeed for the information!

User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3941 times:



Quoting LonghornDC9 (Reply 18):
You have to admit that the attitude of those in the ATC "industry" is much different from those in say a retail industry. People in ATC are very concerned with saftey and would probably be much more open to strict regulation to ensure that saftey.

No I dont have to admit that at all, because the financial bottom-line tramples just about everything else in the US version of the free market. If ATC is privatised, then eventually it will be open to a bidding process and thats where contractors who claim that they can move X number of planes/per hour vs. that other guy's 0.8X planes/per hour come into play. To hold themselves accountable to their quote, they will find themselves pushing the envelope and endangering public safety. This has happened in numerous instances in the private sector here in the U.S, where public services have been contracted out.

Here's a thought - Why not stipulate that in the event an ATC contractor is found to be guilty on a serious safety breach, they pay a fine of 100 million dollars and relinquish all rights to all legal appeals whatsoever. Lets see how many contractors sign up for that!

Quoting LonghornDC9 (Reply 18):
Yes, you are right, it is very impolite and you probably should have just left it off your post.

Yeah, probably. But I didnt, so I'll take any flak I get for it. Nevertheless, I'm not entirely sure that there was NO correlation between inadequate piloting skills, and getting shot down over Vietnam in the 60s.

Quoting LonghornDC9 (Reply 18):
Please show some more respect for our Veterans, especially the ones who were POW's, it was a horrible thing they had to endure.

I do respect John McCain's fortitude and courage during his imprisonment. However, that respect should not come in the way of an objective analysis of his flying skills or any other leadership qualities.


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3883 times:



Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 6):
Jet fuel comes from oil and Obama wants to limit it and eliminate it, thus the price will go up.

There is not one iota of substance to this allegation. Encouraging people to avoid needless consumption and to seek alternatives to fossil fuels is NOT the same thing as limiting oil production. He has correctly pointed out that 80% of the available leases in the Gulf of Mexico are dormant while drilling off the Atlantic coast would yield NO tangible benefits for several decades, a position that is supported by studies conducted by industry analysts themselves.

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 15):
Hundreds of excellent pilots were shot down in SEA, and this comment demonstrates that you don't fully appreciate the dangers faced by the aviators who flew there. I don't think the comment was impolite, merely ignorant.

I appreciate your point.


User currently offlineSuseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 819 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3838 times:



Quoting AuroraLives (Reply 5):
Huh... why?? confused

It also poses a conflict of interest in the vote. I.e. he is only voting for it so he could fly it. The way to combat that is to say, "hey, I think this is good for Phoenix and good for DCA, but I know some won't believe me, so I think it is such a good idea that I am willing to vote for it, but not gain any of the benefits from the vote."



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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

ALPA did interviews of both candidates a few months ago.... in short, McCain wants to throw this entire industry, especially its workers, under the bus.

Obama -

CABOTAGE
Supports upholding cabotage laws limiting foreign flights between US cities.

FOREIGN CONTROL AND OWNERSHIP
Shares “legitimate concerns about the liberalization of control of U.S. airlines.”

“I will work to ensure that foreign investors remain minority shareholders in U.S. airlines.”

SAFETY AND AIRCREW FATIGUE
Supports NTSB and FAA efforts to strengthen airline safety.

States that a critical component of safety is ensuring that flight crews are not overworked.

“My administration will take the issue of pilot fatigue seriously.”

BANKRUPTCY REFORM
Strongly supports restoring the original intent of Section 1113 to protect employee rights
during the bankruptcy process.

Worked with Senator Durbin on the Protecting Employees and Retirees in Business.
Bankruptcies Act of 2007, which was recently introduced in the U.S. Senate, this
legislation would strengthen Section 1113.

PENSION REFORM AND PROTECTION
Is a proud original cosponsor of S.1270, which corrects the inequity at the PBGC
penalizing airline pilots forced to retire at age 60.

Strongly supports correcting the inequity in our pension system.

COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
“I will restore the meaning of U.S. labor protections and laws, including the Railway Labor
Act, and reverse the dangerous actions of the Bush administration.”

Spoke out against the Bush Administration’s imposition of a contract for NATCA.

Supports the Employee Free Choice Act which helps to restore balance to the organizing
process.

FAA REAUTORIZATION AND PASSENGER BILL OF RIGHTS
Supports fully funding the modernization of air traffic control systems.

Supports a Passenger Bill of Rights.

EAS AND UNDERSERVED AREAS
Obama has worked across party lines to protect funding for transportation in rural, small
and mid-sized communities.

AIRPORT SECURITY
Supports increasing the number of screeners, improved funding for aviation security.

Calls for the development of a comprehensive, accurate watch list that is used in a way
that protects passengers’ privacy.





McCain -

CABOTAGE
States that cabotage rules should be relaxed.

Open to any proposal to promote open skies agreements aviation agreements, believes
they should be negotiated like any other GATT or NAFTA item.

Voted for cabotage exemption in favor of foreign air cargo carriers, increasing cargo
flights from China four-fold.

FOREIGN CONTROL AND OWNERSHIP
“I have sponsored legislation in the past that would increase the permissible level of
foreign investment from 25 to 49 percent.”

Advocates privatizing the air traffic control system.

SAFETY AND AIRCREW FATIGUE
Believes that addressing flight attendant fatigue is “ridiculous.”

Voted against safety and security standards for US aircraft repairs performed overseas.

BANKRUPTCY REFORM
McCain voted against extended jobless benefits for laid-off airline workers, including
unemployment, job-retraining and health benefits.

PENSION REFORM AND PROTECTION
In 1992, fought to cut pilot pension rights, in an attempt to block unionization at FedEx.

COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
Supports “baseball style” binding arbitration for transportation workers.

Supports employers’ ability to hire replacement workers.

Three times voted to support Frank Lorenzo’s bankruptcy filing at Eastern.

“Concerned” how the RLA covers pilots flying overseas routes for U.S. carriers.

Twice voted to deny TSA workers the right to unionize.

Supported the Bush Administration’s decision to impose a contract on NATCA.

FAA REAUTHORIZATION AND PASSENGER BILL OF RIGHTS
Wants to remove the perimeter at Reagan National airport.

Previously added an earmark to FAA Reauthorization for America West DCA-PHX
service.

EAS AND UNDERSERVED AREAS
Supports deregulation.

Not a strong supporter of EAS program.

AIRPORT SECURITY

Fought funding for increased Air Marshalls, screeners and TSA explosives detection
systems.

Voted to gut flight attendant anti-terrorism training requirements.

Supported $752M in cuts to aviation security programs.

AMERICAN JOBS
“I firmly object to Buy America provisions…”

McCain wrote letters to Department of Defense urging them to OK the EADS-Airbus
tanker deal.

Five high-level McCain campaign staffers are former lobbyists for EADS-Airbus.

EADS-Airbus lobbyists and employees donate more to McCain than any other politician.


25 Junction : Wow! I had no idea he was so pro-union for the aviation industry until your post spelled it all out. Thanks for the info.
26 Mir : And that might well be one of the best things that could happen to this country's transportation system. Three words: Flight Service Stations. -Mir
27 Bond007 : Correct! Being a POW is not a qualification for being President. 'some degree of success' does not give me much confidence when talking about the saf
28 MadameConcorde : How about Concorde pilots?
29 Post contains links LonghornDC9 : More than you might think actually. This evil Financial Bottom Line which some of you people seem so adverse to is exactly the reason why Boeing has
30 Bond007 : It certainly has had a negative impact on flying. Let's see, do the landing fees in the UK for the private atc services? Take little old Shoreham Air
31 Mir : They are. But the FSS system is one that only GA pilots care about. The general public doesn't know, and it doesn't affect them. If the ATC system wa
32 Boeing747_600 : Yes!, I checked with the World Champion Navy pilots. They said that they could spare some slots for the Condordistadors You are muddying the waters b
33 NCB : This is a big misunderstanding. Obama is clear that he wants to increase gas mileage standards for cars and asked U.S. citizens to take an active par
34 LonghornDC9 : First of all, no, I'm not talking about two completely different issues. I'm demonstrating that a company's focus on it's bottom line often times has
35 P3Orion : I think "Busiest" is a relative term. Keep in mind, the ATC systems of Canada, England, Australia and the other privatized countries simply do not ha
36 Kellmark : You obviously live in a different world than I do. You believe that no one wants to destroy the US or the West with nuclear weapons. I think that thi
37 413X3 : ^^ that's funny. No, it's because the American government bails out, gives out handouts, and makes sure American corporations have the edge and will
38 FreequentFlier : You clearly have not been paying attention. All recent free trade deals proposed with the US (Peru, South Korea, Columbia, Australia, etc) have had t
39 Boeing747_600 : Yeah, like in that fine example where an industry insider was able to get the FAA to overlook WN's maintainance issues on their 73Xs ?! Well, there a
40 413X3 : backed by their governments but not their people. strong arm tactics by American corporations to go in and buy the assets that their governments are
41 NCB : I think that you are the only individual on Earth that still believes that oil at over 145$/barrel was driven by supply and demand. Open your eyes my
42 LonghornDC9 : Initially at least, but then later the FAA exercised it's power and made WN pay for it's mistakes and also cracked down on possible breaches in other
43 Kellmark : Speculation is always a factor in all commodity markets. That is why they have futures. So what? Now they are driving it down. Ultimately they are al
44 PA101 : Is it really? As we know nowadays, all the "weapons of mass-destructions"-talk was bullsh*t. The Saddam regime had no remaining capability to attack
45 LifelinerOne : While, completely off-topic, a great post! Cheers!
46 NCB : 1. Japan has apologized to these nations. The US has not apologized to Japan yet. 2. You have no idea what was behind the massive killings in China.
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