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User currently offlineLGAUAOK From United States of America, joined May 2008, 39 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

When I was around 11 or 12 I remember hearing that a Pan Am 747 made a fuel emergency landing at ISP. I have done searching on google and the blogs on airliners.net but can not find a trace of the story. Was this a childhood dream or was it real? Hope someone on here knows the story. (I think it would have been in the early 90's or late 80's.)


In addition if anyone else knows of other widebody emergency landings at tiny airports I would love to read about them.

And for A.netters out there that know alot about ISP what have been the largest jets ever to land at there?

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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6796 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4346 times:

Dunno about the largest ever to land there, but Northeastern scheduled some kind of DC-8 into ISP around 1984. Runway was 6000 ft then.

User currently onlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1845 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4334 times:



Quoting LGAUAOK (Thread starter):
In addition if anyone else knows of other widebody emergency landings at tiny airports I would love to read about them.

There were some cases of this on 9/11, particularly at some smaller Canadian airports.


User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 746 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4324 times:

I think it was an A310 back around 90-91 I remember this too being a kid from Long Island.....

747s have never been out to ISP, the longest runway out there is 7,002ft, Also I'd like to add to Timz by saying Eastern did have 757s from time to time in the 80s headed to Florida, I believe even a Boston-Florida 757 stopped at ISP once a day way back when...

I remember when I was 14 in 1989 I asked a family friend to take me out there and I had my first closeup view of a BAE146 on the ramp right next to the road....

Andrew
JFK/MEM/MCI



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

Couldn't it have just landed at JFK?


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User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1642 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4222 times:
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Also the taxiways are not that wide and there are no high speed taxiways off of the runways, so it would be a tight squeeze to keep the outer landing gear of a 747 on the taxiway when turning off of the runway.

User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

It would have gone to JFK because it is not that much further


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User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 679 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Pan Am did not ever have a 747 go into ISP. It wasn't even on our JEP charts as an alternate. TimZ is correct about Northeastern using a DC-8-61 to operate ISP/FLL. They originally started out with a 727-100 but upgraded to the 8 to get more lift. Good idea but bad timing.


Ed
User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 746 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

I meant to add it was a Diversion in my post

Darn ADD!

Andrew
JFK/MEM/MCI



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User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1147 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4109 times:

The Pan Am diversion was an A-310 in the early 90's for sure. Did not have enough fuel to make JFK.

Northeastern flew the DC-8-62 (originally a -52) to ISP from 1982-1985. I remember my first flight into ISP on the DC-8-62, I worked for QS (Northeastern) at the time, Jetstar mentioned in reply 5 the taxiways were not very wide, well I will never forget the sight of those huge Pratt & Whitneys hanging out over the grass as we taxied in and back out again, and the visible jetblast on the grass, it was pretty cool.

Regards

LGA777


User currently offlineLGAUAOK From United States of America, joined May 2008, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3894 times:



Quoting Foxecho (Reply 3):
I think it was an A310 back around 90-91 I remember this too being a kid from Long Island.....

Thanks Foxecho, Did some real digging today, after everyones feedback to make sure I was not going crazy. I found this news story from Newsday about an Airbus making a fuel landing at ISP but no real details. It does talk about the 747 so maybe this is where i got confused.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/...by+stretching+range+of+Airbus+jets


User currently offlinePanAm92 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3525 times:
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It was Pan Am A-310 from Hamburg because fuel low

User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3458 times:



Quoting Foxecho (Reply 3):
Eastern did have 757s from time to time in the 80s headed to Florida, I believe even a Boston-Florida 757 stopped at ISP once a day way back when...

Very true



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User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3448 times:



Quoting PanAm92 (Reply 11):
It was Pan Am A-310 from Hamburg because fuel low

It must have been very very low on fuel to divert to ISP enroute to JFK


User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 746 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3370 times:



Quoting LGA777 (Reply 9):
I worked for QS (Northeastern) at the time

What were the loads like? were there any weight/Balance restrictions on the -8?

Andrew



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User currently offlineMAC26000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

Wasnt there a DC-10 that did and emergency landing at DCA last year? DCA longest runway is 6900.

User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2583 times:



Quoting MAC26000 (Reply 15):
Wasnt there a DC-10 that did and emergency landing at DCA last year? DCA longest runway is 6900.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo.../general_aviation/read.main/78705/



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6796 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2365 times:



Quoting MAC26000 (Reply 15):
Wasnt there a DC-10 that did and emergency landing at DCA last year? DCA longest runway is 6900.

UA scheduled DC-10s to SFO from KOA's 6500-ft runway after they retired their DC-8-71s in 1991.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24906 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2359 times:



Quoting Timz (Reply 17):
Quoting MAC26000 (Reply 15):
Wasnt there a DC-10 that did and emergency landing at DCA last year? DCA longest runway is 6900.

UA scheduled DC-10s to SFO from KOA's 6500-ft runway after they retired their DC-8-71s in 1991.

The KOA runway was lengthened at some point. It's now 11,000 ft.


User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1147 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2344 times:



Quoting Foxecho (Reply 14):


Quoting LGA777 (Reply 9):
I worked for QS (Northeastern) at the time

What were the loads like? were there any weight/Balance restrictions on the -8?

Andrew

The QS DC-8's always had great loads out of ISP, usually two a day ISP-FLL and normally full or close. There where 3 -62's one held 186 and the other two 204. Even with the 6000 foot runway I don't ever recall a weight restriction. The 62 was a hot rod. lots of power and range. UA used to fly them both JFK and EWR to HNL nonstop. ISP-FLL required a fuel load something like 20 pct of the 62's fuel capacity so even with 204 paxs and bags it was never a problem. While I can't find a photo of one at ISP here is what they looked like.


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The 62 on the left was ex UA, the right ex JAL, the third ex SAS.

Regards

LGA777


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6796 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2266 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
Quoting Timz (Reply 17):
Quoting MAC26000 (Reply 15):
Wasnt there a DC-10 that did and emergency landing at DCA last year? DCA longest runway is 6900.

UA scheduled DC-10s to SFO from KOA's 6500-ft runway after they retired their DC-8-71s in 1991.

The KOA runway was lengthened at some point. It's now 11,000 ft.

KOA was lengthened ... maybe 1994. After 1991, anyway.


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6796 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2264 times:



Quoting LGA777 (Reply 19):
UA used to fly them both JFK and EWR to HNL nonstop.

Bet you can't find a timetable showing UA nonstop EWR-HNL.


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