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When Did Flying Lose Its Sparkle?  
User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 604 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9401 times:

Hi fellow a.netters,

I was just reminiscing about one of my first flights as a youngester, on Air 2000. I remember that feeling of being so excited about the whole experience and how enjoyable it was.

Fair enough, when we're young, everything has more appeal, but I do remember just how different the experience was then, compared to todays (almost) bus-like transition of people from point A to point B.

We all know that Oil prices have gone through the roof recently, and there is by large a global economic downturn, but even as recently as the late 90's it was a far more service-orientated experience. So why did airlines decide that service should take a second row seat to profits?

A small touch such as a hot towel can make such a difference, wouldn't airlines be wise to realise that for the expenditure involved, they could potentially gain new customers from airlines offering a sub-par service. Gone are the days now when you can get a hot-towel in economy, and even a can of Coke will set you back £3/$5 - Where will it all end?

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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9382 times:

Oct 24, 1978.

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5757 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9383 times:

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Thread starter):
So why did airlines decide that service should take a second row seat to profits?

Because they realized that 98% of customers only pay attention to price when they book. Airlines are giving the customer what he wants.

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Thread starter):
wouldn't airlines be wise to realise that for the expenditure involved, they could potentially gain new customers from airlines offering a sub-par service.

They can't, in Y class. Airlines have tried this. Every single one has failed. Again, the overwhelming bulk of Y class customers will book the lowest price, no matter what.

Today, if you want a service-oriented experience, you need to book J or F, and it's also easier if you're traveling to the Middle East or Asia.

[Edited 2008-09-06 06:16:39]

User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9371 times:

A lot of it started with the ability to purchase tickets on the internet. Sites like Expedia and Travelocity made it very easy to shop for the cheapest fare.... cheapest fare class, cheapest day, cheapest airline. People would choose another airline even if their fare was only $5 less.

Due to that, competition between airlines went from ruthless to extreme. Many of them have not been able to adapt and they just stopped being able to make money. Couple that with the cost of oil and such and service hasn't taken a second row seat to profits, it has taken a second row seat to clinging to staying in business.

The government hasn't helped either as much as it seems like it has. At least, in the US, the government has provided bailouts either in the form of money, loans, or favorable legal rulings to bankrupt airlines ensuring they stay in business. Its good in the short term to avoid the massive shock that would be caused by a major airline going out of business, but in the long run it severely hurts the whole industry. These failed airlines are draining profits away from the ones that are able to successfully run.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9359 times:

I also should mention that the whole system is broken. The airlines are no longer able to control their own bookings/profits/business plans. How do I know this? Because the flights are full and they're still not making money.

The whole supply/demand equation isn't being applied here. There are more passenger than there are seats available. This means one thing: airlines should raise prices to the point where they are consistently going out with some empty seats. Not a lot, but some. This would show that they have correctly priced their seats with demand. Sure, they go out with a few empty seats here and there now, but that is either because of no-shows or markets that just not have been correctly approached.

But, they can't do this.... if they were to increase their price to properly charge for their product, another airline will see that and charge $5 less. The passengers will buy their tickets on that airline instead and the whole thing will fall apart.

Because of this, it seems pretty obvious to me that the airline industry is destined to always not do well, even if oil goes back down to $50/barrel. They'll still be struggling to make money.


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9339 times:

For me it lost its sparkle when all these heavy duty security checks came in. I mean it's like going to prison, "take-off your belt, empty your pockets, take your shoes off, turnaround' etc.

Next they'll want us to stand there in our underpants or have a shower naked with 200 others to decomtaminate us prior to boarding, or look up the back passage.

It loses more of its appeal every week.


User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9310 times:

Once upon flying was a journey and an experience, with flights stopping in seemingly far away places en route....

Somehere in the 1980's flying lost that nostalgic romance. I think it was the 747-400 and the massive non-stop international long haul that had something to do with it

Then somewhere around 2000 airlines started to become flying greyhound buses.



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3130 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9233 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 5):
For me it lost its sparkle when all these heavy duty security checks came in. I mean it's like going to prison, "take-off your belt, empty your pockets, take your shoes off, turnaround' etc.

In other words just after Septemeber 11th when needed security checks began. I agree that they are necessary but the "sparkle" I think disappeared when this began.


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9226 times:

I don't think flying has lost it's sparkle. Flying now has become much, much more common and instead of being something only the rich can do it is now something millions and millions of people can do. If you fly first class, you will still find that special sparkle. . . at least I do.

[Edited 2008-09-06 07:48:01]

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9211 times:

Maybe it was after the Gulf War on 1991. Slowly, it did go out.

What do you consider sparkle? Meals on 90 min flights? You could get that in the 1980s and even in the early 1990s on Piedmont or Delta.

Or do you consider the seat next to yours being empty to be more important? Then the sparkle went out in 10/24/1978 as the post above suggested. In the 1970s Annual LFs rarely went above 60% and DC-9s were flying to cities like Decatur, IL.

Did the sparkle go out when independent regionals began aligning with mainline airlines for codesharing there-by ending the liveries of airlines like MVA, Pilgrim, etc making airports much less interesting to view(ORD was served by Britt, MVA, Midstate, Air Wisconsin, Air Iowa, Simmons all in their own colors. If so, I think the first codesharing was in 1984-85 with American/Chappral or Ozark/Air Midwest. I remember seeing OZ coded SWMs flying out of STL in 1984-85 in the OAG

Personally, I think the sparkle went out on May 12, 1982


User currently offlineSkyfellow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9195 times:



Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 6):
Somehere in the 1980's flying lost that nostalgic romance. I think it was the 747-400 and the massive non-stop international long haul that had something to do with it

Flying eventually evolved, with the availability of larger aircraft, to become a form of mass transportation. This is in contrast to the wealthy few who could afford this in the past when flying was just not going from point a to b, but with style and with pampering.

I sometimes wonder looking at nostalgic cabin pictures of a UA 747 in the 70s flying domestic, half full and with all kinds of lounges and generous seat pitch: did they really make money doing this? I can only wonder.

But I think this evolution is a good thing. We are more mobile and well traveled than ever, and the invention of the jet aircraft and the availability of flights should take its fair share of credit for economic growth and prosperity worldwide.

Air travel never lost its sparkle; it just redefined its purpose and gained momentum.


User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9187 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 8):
If you fly first class, you will still find that special sparkle. . . at least I do.

I'm in no doubt about that one, however, us poorer minions might not be able to sample
this every time we fly (unfortunately). I remember when you felt special flying Y, and you felt as though the airline appreciated you as a customer, seats were always pre-booked and service with a smile (and I'm crew BTW!). It's just gone now, unless you can afford J/F of course.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10917 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9175 times:

For me flying lost its sparkle when all the Concordes were grounded.  crying 


There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9097 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9172 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
For me flying lost its sparkle when all the Concordes were grounded. crying

That was indeed a very bad day in aviation history  cry 

But Flying is still something I enjoy everyday. So the sparkle is not lost here.

WILCO737 (MD11F)
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It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineOsprey88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9155 times:

Some flying hasn't lost its sparkle for me at least. I still love to fly on turboprops from my regional airport, especially the 30 seat EMB-120. Its an intimate setting and it is wonderful to take them on a short 30 or so minute flight from MRY-SFO. I love being able to walk across the tarmac to board the aircraft, I love the noise at takeoff and then buzzing across the sea at 6000ft, seeing the whitecaps and passing onto land across the mountains, and then, almost too soon, you see SFO and the little plane dives and you hear the gear come down and you are on the ground. To me, their doesn't have to be service on these turboprop flights, these little planes themselves provide that, and I fly them whenever I can.

However, I will have to concede FCAFLYBOY's point that much of flying today has lost its sparkle. Longer flights, especially in Y I don't particularly look forward to anymore, mainly because service is usually less than happy, if their is service to give. Occasionally, I find older flight attendants who still do their jobs well and I enjoy talking with them, but mainly today, service is brusque or unhappy. I can see why security would be a problem for most people, I generally accept it though, its a side affect of the times we live in.

I must say though, until they eliminate the roar of those engines and the feeling of power pushing irresistibly at your back on takeoff, flying will still maintain some sparkle for me.



"Reading departure signs in some big airports reminds me of the places I've been"
User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1845 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9106 times:

Lots of things..

demise of Pan Am, TWA

Regional Jets

9/11, TSA, shoe carnival

BOB



Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9087 times:



Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 1):
Oct 24, 1978.

Nah, it was much earlier, June 18, 1971 I believe.



757: The last of the best
User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9057 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 5):
Next they'll want us to stand there in our underpants or have a shower naked with 200 others to decomtaminate us prior to boarding, or look up the back passage.

You mean that's not standard ops? Damn, they took advantage of my innocence!

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Thread starter):
I remember that feeling of being so excited about the whole experience and how enjoyable it was.

Perhaps I'm easy to please but I still get excited and enjoy the experience quite a bit. Then again, for me the thrill of flying is not measured by how many cokes I'm served or whether I had some "free" meal in Y on a 2 hour flight. For me the thrill is the take-off and landing, the queue at the ticket counter, just pulling up to the airport gets me going. What can I say, I like planes, and I'm a happy camper when inhabiting the interior of an A320 or a 763. Food, drinks, IFE? Nah, I always bring my own, thanks!


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19244 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9020 times:



Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Thread starter):
When Did Flying Lose It's Sparkle?

... when airlines awoke to realise they actually needed to generate profit in an industry that is notoriously unprofitable.

But let's not think for one moment that airlines cannot have excellent service and generate decent profit. Yes, some airlines, such as Ryanair, don't have much service yet are ordinarily very profitable. But what about very customer-centric airlines like Singapore and Southwest? Excellent service and excellent profitability. There are shining lights in an otherwise dark sky.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineDL747400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9001 times:

Flying lost it's luster and sparkle years ago. Even before 9/11, air travel had become a commodity and no longer about service (unless you are traveling in First/Business Class). Nothing about Coach air travel is easy, fun, or comfortable anymore, but it is (and will likely remain) a necessity for hundreds of millions of people worldwide. Air travel is still faster in most cases than virtually any other mode of transportation, and time is money.

User currently offlineMorph007 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8984 times:



Quoting Skyfellow (Reply 10):
Flying eventually evolved, with the availability of larger aircraft, to become a form of mass transportation.

So so correct...

I find most commercial flights I'm on these days are no more then buses with wings, it really is now days only a way of getting from point A to B.

Personally if I have the option I try to take the train where possible, also I'm sorry to say but I really don't see it getting better anytime soon, more likely getting worse.

My £0.01 worth



If sitting in a plane is flying, then sitting in a boat must be swimming, Skydiving is true flying
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8963 times:

When non-aviation CEO's were allowed to take control of airlines and leech them dry like a vampire on a binge.

Gone are the days of visionaries such as Bob Six, Eddie Rickenbacker, and Juan Trippe. They were replaced by cartoon-like supervillains such as Frank Lorenzo, Carl Icahn, and the crop of current managers that have turned the airline industry into the sad satires of what they used to be.

Also, when even the slightest attempt at common sense vanished from our collective conscious. One must not forget the asinine stupidity of "no-liquids". I'm sure to lighten the mood in madrasses and terrorist training camps, terrorists laugh their @$$es off at how all that had to be done was to mention that liquid MIGHT be able to be used as a weapon, and the world reacted in a panic that they couldn't have imagined in their wildest dreams. Meanwhile, 3 ounces of lotion is okay, but 3.5 makes you Osama bin Laden. Never mind that two passengers could put their 3 ounces together - no, we must take grandma's lotion away!!

Need I mention the "no-fly" rule?

Whenever I fly, I still do my utmost to enjoy the trip, and I go out of my way to be friendly, smiling, and act as a guest in someone else's home. I find that 99% of the time I find that attitude returned to me, and as a result, my trips are generally quite fun. I think one must go into every flight with this attitude or the stress from problems will be magnified.



Pan Am:The World's Most Experienced Airline - P(oor) S(ailor's) A(irline): San Diego's Hometown Airline-Catch Our Smile!
User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8878 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 2):
Because they realized that 98% of customers only pay attention to price when they book. Airlines are giving the customer what he wants.

That's why so many airlines are spiraling into the ground financially, because they are so in tune with what the customers want.
 rotf 


User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8870 times:



Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Thread starter):
So why did airlines decide that service should take a second row seat to profits?

Because their passengers told them (with their feet) that's what they wanted.

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Thread starter):
A small touch such as a hot towel can make such a difference, wouldn't airlines be wise to realise that for the expenditure involved, they could potentially gain new customers from airlines offering a sub-par service.

It doesn't work. It's been tried over and over and over again and it never ever works. The only thing that does work is customer service attitude, which is technically "free" but requires more support of the employees that most companies are willing to do.

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 11):
I remember when you felt special flying Y

I still feel special flying Y. But I'm probably looking for different things in the air than you are.

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 11):
you felt as though the airline appreciated you as a customer

Fly Southwest...they still do.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 21):
Meanwhile, 3 ounces of lotion is okay, but 3.5 makes you Osama bin Laden. Never mind that two passengers could put their 3 ounces together - no, we must take grandma's lotion away!!

There's two things they're trying to restrict...volume and container size. Even if you had two (or forty) passengers pool their 3 oz's, you'd still only have a 3 oz. container.

Don't get me wrong, I still think the liquids thing is stupid, bu it's not as stupid as it may appear at first glance. It's all based on a flawed premise but, if you accept the premise, the method on the liquids actually isn't that bad.

Tom.


User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8829 times:



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 23):
Fly Southwest...they still do.

I've only ever taken 2 flights with them, but I couldn't agree more. It's a shame we dont have a comparable equivalent here in Europe.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 17):
Perhaps I'm easy to please but I still get excited and enjoy the experience quite a bit. Then again, for me the thrill of flying is not measured by how many cokes I'm served or whether I had some "free" meal in Y on a 2 hour flight. For me the thrill is the take-off and landing, the queue at the ticket counter, just pulling up to the airport gets me going. What can I say, I like planes, and I'm a happy camper when inhabiting the interior of an A320 or a 763. Food, drinks, IFE? Nah, I always bring my own, thanks!

I would second that too, however, I really miss the days where an airlines repuutation was based on it's levels of service and customer satisfaction, rather than being the cheapest ticket. I still lov flying though, full stop, or else I'm in the wrong job!


25 NWAESC : You beat me to it!
26 Atrude777 : Oh Please. WN was not the first LCC by all means. PSA, Air California, all were created before WN was created. Alex[Edited 2008-09-06 11:41:09]
27 Jhooper : News flash. Companies are in business to make the highest profit possible. Period. Dot. End of discussion.
28 SPREE34 : Perhaps another reason SWA is making money over others. They hire for attitude, then support the attitude.
29 Exaauadl : since when are service and profts mutually exclusive?
30 Danfearn77 : I remember reading in a magazine a good few years ago that AA saved nearly $500,00 a year by removing 1 OLIVE off every meal. Thats a lot of money for
31 FCAFLYBOY : Thankyou - my thoughts exactly. Whe did aviation just become about money ONLY. It's a business like any other (and also quite unlike any other) but t
32 Lufthansa : You're flying the WRONG airlines. Here's the thing folks... there are still choices out there, particularly in Lond Haul. We must reward those carrier
33 Vikkyvik : Flying has not lost its sparkle for me. Probably never will. You deal with the hassles - there's no other option. But when the airplane starts to acc
34 BirdyBoy : There are still days when flying feels good..on International flights I pretty much refuse to fly an American airline.. and from Charlotte that means
35 BirdyBoy : I agree.. you have to pick and choose your long haul airline carefully and maybe pay a little extra ... I would rather travel well in coach that get a
36 AADC10 : Flying lost its magic with deregulation. It did not happen immediately as some had expected, it took decades but the flying experience steadily degrad
37 DUALRATED : Southwest a great idea and a happy airline for sure, but it's just like greyhound (bus lines) and by no means sparkling.
38 ContinentalAUS : Even though flying may not be the same as it was twenty years ago, I still get excited every time I am about to fly. It is something cool to me and al
39 TDubJFK : ROFL!! You English people sho talk funny!
40 Alaska737 : The Day Airliners.net was created
41 Skydrol : Since airline (and other industry) management have been brainwashed into believing quality, reputation, loyalty and customer service are irrelevant.
42 NEMA : For me, flying lost the last bit of 'sparkle' that was left in me when i first flew Ryanair. I had been on a few Low Cost Carrier flights before then
43 707lvr : Well, there are several members writing that flying hasn't lost its sparkle who weren't even born when I thought it did (6/14/1971,) so maybe it hasn'
44 TDubJFK : Yes it has. All we should expect now is basic transportation. Anything we get over and above that (like a smile from an airline employee) is a bonus.
45 Lightsaber : There is certainly a sparkle still out there. Its just harder to find. I've never been disappointed with B6. UA is on and off... AA at JFK... ugh. But
46 MasseyBrown : The narrow bodies were designed to be VERY profitable at a 66% load factor at the fare levels of the 1960's and 70's. Break-even loads were in the mi
47 Squawk7700 : How many of you remember sitting by a window seat in a Lockheed Constelation. When those R3350's came to life belching blue smoke and fire. The passen
48 Putnik : This couldn't be more true. I do not believe that flying itself lost it's sparkle, it is just that general affordability of it has brought masses in
49 NEMA : Incorrect statement, and an unnecessary reply. What in my post suggests to you that i knew what i was getting into. Also, If you are going to try mak
50 Jhooper : I didn't mean to imply that service and profits are mutually exclusive. Really, they aren't and nor should they be. Nor did I say that "quality, repu
51 Brilondon : When WN started their no frills flying, that is when flying lost all of its mystique. I remember when people use to dress up to travel. Now i see peop
52 N68TLCaptain : EK and SQ make me feel like a prince every time I fly them. always the same great service. EVERYTIME. WN may be no thrills, but the crew is happy. Th
53 AerorobNZ : The day they no longer enforced a formal dress code, and allowed the Riff-raff to travel.....
54 Lufthansa : Yes, I'd like to see a dress code. Just because you purchased a ticket at a special price doesn't mean you should turn up looking like shit.
55 Elite : Well with flying becoming so common, it is no longer the once exclusive transportation tool for the rich anymore. . . and with that goes the high cla
56 BlueShamu330s : ...or smelling like it
57 Danfearn77 : I agree with Lightsaber-its still there but hard to find. I flew return to Italy last week with FR, and this now just feels like your on British Publi
58 Par13del : Bean counters, nuff said.
59 Post contains links and images LoneStarMike : Men-only flights. LoneStarMike
60 Nycbjr : When Song was folded back into mainline DL? seriously I used to really look forward to my flights on Song. Very attentive staff, good BOB food, and th
61 Tdscanuck : Brainwashed? They're listening to their comsumers! Passengers have told them (over and over and over again) that, in coach, price trumps quality, rep
62 NEMA : Its possible that youve taken my post too far to the extreme, I dont care for Ryanair, theyve definately taken the sparkle out of flying for me perso
63 TVNWZ : Flying only had the sparkle in our youthful innocence and in the movies. When we grew up we realized that it was just transportation. And the movies w
64 TDubJFK : Though now WN offers more frills (ie free beveerages, snacks, no checked-bag fee) than do the "legacy" carriers. Interesting turn of events, no?
65 Tango-Bravo : Excellent point. It was, in fact, as recently as 1980 (shortly after deregulation took effect in the U.S.) that W.T. Beebe, then the top executive at
66 Lightsaber : I missed that point and I apologize. You were right to call me out on it. I thought it was via your choice. If its due to a travel site assigning you
67 707lvr : Good Squawk .. is this machine right when it says it took two years for you to get fired up and write something?
68 Aircellist : Flying began to loose its sparkle when airport architects began conceiving terminals from which one could not see the planes!! (CDG 1 central area)...
69 Tdscanuck : Fair enough. I agree with you that it's not hypocritical, but it's very important to realize that the *only* thing the airline can "sense" is whether
70 FCAFLYBOY : Excellent Point and very true. But will they ever listen, I can think of very few airlines who REALLY listen to their passengers.
71 DCA-ROCguy : I'll bet this topic is a top-ten most-discussed Airliners.net chestnut, discussed at least weekly, and no doubt all the arguments given in the above 7
72 Type-Rated : And don't forget the new MDW with all those fogged glass windows. Remember, you can't look at the planes anymore, it's a security breach.
73 Planesarecool : If there was a 'sparkle' to flying, then I don't think it's been lost - it's just become cheaper, and more accessible. I'd hardly say that's a bad thi
74 LoneStarMike : I also think some of the airline mergers in the recent past haven't helped things in the "sparkle" department simply because the employees of the merg
75 FlyDeltaJets87 : I'll a legacy loyalist (DL) but what's the major difference between flying Southwest versus flying any of the "legacy" carriers for most routes in th
76 Manfredj : Sorry, but a smile doesn't cut it. Airlines should be ashamed of themselves and what they have let our industry become. Increases in ticket costs and
77 Ryanair!!! : The sparkle was lost, as many would like to point out, as soon as the industry was de-regulated. Mass travel soon became a norm for the public and the
78 AerorobNZ : The airlines need to get tough collectively, and start making people dress up to get on-board our aircraft. If a night club can charge exorbitant cov
79 NEMA : [quote=Tdscanuck,reply=69]Fair enough. I agree with you that it's not hypocritical, but it's very important to realize that the *only* thing the airli
80 NEMA : No problem, sorry if i came over a bit strong. I was simply offering my views on the missing sparkle and why it was for me. I have long appreciated y
81 Danfearn77 : Thats funny, because at LHR your allowed to dangle banners from 777's if your a greenpeace activist! Especially given the amount of those jets they h
82 Standby87 : When did flying lose its Sparkle?? Personally speaking - when Swissair was grounded and in due course bankrupted Looking back, something's wrong when
83 Tango-Bravo : The only thing the U.S. legacy airlines really listen to is whether there are enough pax willing to pay to keep their planes packed in spite of how l
84 Tdscanuck : And what would this help? Their service isn't going to be any better just because the passengers are better dressed. Because people *want* to go to a
85 Tango-Bravo : And pax who regularly complain about the poor and still declining state of airline service while continuing to patronize (without missing a proverbia
86 Kappel : What's wrong with my first birthday? What did I have to do with this? Actually, IMHO flying has NOT lost it's sparkle. Despite all the hassle involve
87 WESTERN737800 : A combination of things with the biggest being deregulation, also ETOPS which kinda made international flight easier, and the influx of regional jets
88 Planemaker : Flying has never lost it's sparkle... as already said a few time, if you want sparkle just fly First Class!! Also, as has been posted by several other
89 Stratosphere : I guess the argument could be made that 1978 was the end. But for me it was 9/11. Before than we did not have the ridiculous TSA rules. That alone has
90 AFGMEL : I've been flying for more than 30 years and it hasn't lost it's sparkle for me - well, most of the time. QF and DJ are fine. Long haul I save up and o
91 Delta767300ER : I agree. While Southwest has very friendly employees, It is like flying "WalMart Air". At least they are not like the former PeopleExpress though. I
92 Lexer : To me, flying lost its sparkle when planes became more modern. As a kid, I remember the roaring thunder of planes taking off, no matter how small they
93 B6MoneyGuyJFK : Towards the end, TWA ran a series of $99.00 weekend fares to Europe. I was able to go to Rome for $200.00. I was also more than happy to leave from TW
94 Type-Rated : Speaking of WalMart Air, a few weeks ago I saw a Walmart King Air at HOU. I was surprised to see how the crew was dressed. The pilots uniform was pret
95 Tdscanuck : I'm curious...why is that unprofessional? Pilots are like surgeons...I don't care a whit about their personality, I care how well they can do the job
96 DCA-ROCguy : theres still a kid in me that loves it all. The checking in, the boarding the flight, the take off.. Yep, all of it. Maybe not as glamerous as the go
97 413X3 : ... just like every big company, when share holders demanded maximum profits no matter what the cost to the employees, or consumers.
98 Delta767300ER : Hey Tom, I should of phrased that better. I was referring to the F/A's that sing over the PA system. I know its funny and cute but it gets really ann
99 Threepoint : I think you're both distorting the meaning of the term "professional". It has little to do with job title or description. To claim that one group (pi
100 Skyfellow : Wow! Did you get a glimpse of their backs? Did it say "We sell (fly) for less" or "We love to make you Smile ". I got my laugh of the day and a stab
101 Dano1977 : For me personally, the sparkle has never left. I take between 35-45 trips a year on business + 4-5 non work flights a year, and despite being 31 years
102 Thetuna : BINGO THERE IS THE REAL ANSWER!!
103 Lightsaber : Nope, right level considering the 'over the top' response of mine. I missed a very important point that was pivotal in your post. oops. Or pay for J.
104 AFGMEL : I find this suprising. I am an accomplished cook - not chef - but I make and enjoy just about all cuisines. I think it's amazing that airlines can se
105 Dc863 : Around 1987-88. Many airlines disappeared, bought by robber baron CEO's of other airlines.
106 HAWK21M : Low cost Flying......More number of Pax.........Too much security......Made things too common. Even for the Employees at airlines......The Glamour was
107 Trinxat : LOL it's funny how the meaning of "only men" has changed with time. Nowadays I would be very suspicious about such an advertisement It's not the serv
108 B6MoneyGuyJFK : YES. EXACTLY!!!!!!! Nice to know I'm not the only "crazy" out there. Still have pass from my first flight.. Eastern #151 to Florida...
109 AirNZ : I would disagree entirely, as indeed the very same could be said about each airline having it's own website and giving the customer that ability. One
110 Tango-Bravo : No confusion on my part... the very same customers who love to complain about poor airline service out of one side of their mouths are, from the othe
111 Richard Smith : Flying hasn't lost its sparkle!!! Who still doesn't feel the buzz of the engines being powered up and rumbling down the runway followed by the amazing
112 Woody71 : And did the Capt. ask if you liked gladiator movies? Sorry, couldn't resist. To me flying is still special. I love going to airports, the spooling of
113 Selwoode : Well NZ have brought back the snacks at certain times of the day atleast QFLink also had snacks on 60 minute plus until the advent of the Q400 and th
114 Skyfellow : I disagree with you with regard to this statement. Please let me know if I took your statement out of context; I do not believe that I did but I will
115 A342 : Agree 100%. I really miss those tickets with their distinctive colour and feel.
116 Tdscanuck : Gotcha. It annoys me too, although I know there are a lot of passengers who do enjoy it. Actually, there is. The only way to get consistently good se
117 Delta767300ER : That is very interesting. I never really thought of it like that. I agree with you though. Thanks! Yup, more power to them. I guess that is one of th
118 Trinxat : Yeah!! I especially loved the ones that displayed the airline livery, not the standard boarding cards that sometimes u could get from the handling co
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