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Colombian Aviation Statistics (July 2008)  
User currently offlineJigarciar From Colombia, joined May 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Regarding the last statistics bulletin issued by Aerocivil (Colombia's CAA) which contains the commercial aviation information corresponding to July 2008, I can bring you the following conclusions:

1°) Passenger routes growth

DOMESTIC TOP 5 (% of growth in passengers transported in comparison with same month of 2007):

BOG-VVC-BOG / 243.3%
BOG-EOH-BOG / 56.48%
BOG-PPN-BOG / 51.74%
BOG-AXM-BOG / 38.44%
BOG-EYP-BOG / 33.59%

Airlines:

Aires / 38.28%
SAM / 8.02%
Avianca / 7.3%
Satena / -3.96%
AeroRepública / -23.44%

INTERNATIONAL TOP 5 (% of growth in passengers transported in comparison with same month of 2007):

BOG-SDQ-BOG / 199.22%
MDE-LIM-MDE / 183.84%
BOG-EZE-BOG / 56.87%
BAQ-MIA-BAQ / 41.14%
BOG-GRU-BOG / 26.21%

Airlines:

VRG / 80.91%
AeroRepública / 36.69%
LanPerú / 28.57%
Iberia / 26.44%
American / 24.46%

2°) Passenger routes loads

DOMESTIC TOP 5

CAQ-EOH-CAQ / 82.58%
BOG-VUP-BOG / 81.64%
BOG-PSO-BOG / 79.88%
MDE-SMR-MDE / 78.05%
BOG-EOH-BOG / 73.18%

Airlines (loads on all domestic routes):

SAM / 75.5%
Avianca / 73.8%
Satena / 66.5%
ADA / 60.1%
AeroRepública / 56.8%
Aires / 56.5%

INTERNATIONAL TOP 5

BOG-ATL-BOG / 95.60%
BOG-IAH-BOG / 91.72%
BOG-MAD-BOG / 91.64%
CLO-MAD-CLO / 90.14%
BOG-NYC (EWR-JFK) -BOG / 89.72%
BOG-CDG-BOG / 89.50%

Airlines:

North America:
Delta / 95.60%
LanChile / 91.89%
Continental / 88.0%

South America:
SAM / 80.12%
Avianca / 77.41%
LanChile / 66.89%

Europe:
Iberia / 92.83%
Avianca / 90.42%
Air France / 89.50%

Central America:
Avianca / 80.84%
AeroRepública / 75.28%
Copa / 73.86%

Caribbean:
Cubana / 84.41%
Avianca / 74.88%
SAM / 67.94%

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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Nice job with the figures. It will be nice to see the 2007-2008 comparison after AV's new expansion takes place. Where are the growth totals though?

Its sad to see that even with smaller aircraft, a new product and having OnePass; P5s domestic load factor is still crappy and keeps on dropping.



Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2847 times:



Quoting Jigarciar (Thread starter):
BOG-VVC-BOG / 243.3%
BOG-EOH-BOG / 56.48%
BOG-PPN-BOG / 51.74%
BOG-AXM-BOG / 38.44%
BOG-EYP-BOG / 33.59%

Sure Easyfly has a lot to do in these figures. Also, is not a mystery why AV will try EOH with the F50.

Quoting Jigarciar (Thread starter):
Aires / 38.28%
SAM / 8.02%
Avianca / 7.3%
Satena / -3.96%
AeroRepública / -23.44%

What's wrong with P5?? Aires is really doing well.

Quoting Jigarciar (Thread starter):
Iberia / 26.44%



Quoting Jigarciar (Thread starter):
American / 24.46%

Those extra frequencies are showing its numbers...

Quoting Jigarciar (Thread starter):
AeroRepública / 56.8%

Very low....

Quoting Jigarciar (Thread starter):

BOG-ATL-BOG / 95.60%
BOG-IAH-BOG / 91.72%

DL must be pretty happy, and CO really deserved that second frequency, they prove the market was there.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 1):
Central America:
Avianca / 80.84%
AeroRepública / 75.28%
Copa / 73.86%

AV really kicking P5 and CM's a$$ in their own backyard. Although I have to admit the should have carried way more pax altogether.


Thanks for the figures. Pretty interesting.

Cheers


JAAH



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2807 times:



Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 1):
Its sad to see that even with smaller aircraft, a new product and having OnePass; P5s domestic load factor is still crappy and keeps on dropping.

Although they acquired the smaller E-190, AeroRepublica still has many MD-80s in the fleet, too many to bring up that load-factor. AeroRepublica is flying its high-density MD-80s in routes that do not have the legs to support them, like Bogota-Bucaramanga and Bogota-Montería.

If they don't work extra-hard to concentrate the MDs in trunk routes like BOG-MDE and BOG-CLO, they'll never be able to bring up that load factor.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 2):
Also, is not a mystery why AV will try EOH with the F50.

It's incredible. Two years ago, nobody would ever imagine flying from Bogota to Medellin with an intermediate stop. Now, Aires has 9 daily 1-stop flights in the BOG-EOH route, EasyFly started their own, and now Avianca wants to enter this route too, and has asked for 9 daily flights.

EOH has lots of potential, and airlines are being smart in choosing ways to avoid the operational restrictions this airport imposes.




User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2806 times:



Quoting Jigarciar (Thread starter):
MDE-LIM-MDE / 183.84%

The percentage of growth is impressively high due to both LP MDE-UIO-LIM and TA MDE-LIM just started their operations this year.
Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineTBYO787 From Colombia, joined Feb 2008, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2792 times:



Quoting Jigarciar (Thread starter):
INTERNATIONAL TOP 5 (% of growth in passengers transported in comparison with same month of 2007):

BOG-SDQ-BOG / 199.22%
MDE-LIM-MDE / 183.84%
BOG-EZE-BOG / 56.87%
BAQ-MIA-BAQ / 41.14%
BOG-GRU-BOG / 26.21%

The first to routes are high because last year that route did not exist.
for BOG/EZE that is a great AV route and BAQ/MIA I still dont understand why AA left this 2:30hrs route.??  banghead  Difficult to understand.

BOG/GRU is growing. That is a good sign.

Rgds,

TBYO787


User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2703 times:



Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 3):
It's incredible. Two years ago, nobody would ever imagine flying from Bogota to Medellin with an intermediate stop. Now, Aires has 9 daily 1-stop flights in the BOG-EOH route, EasyFly started their own, and now Avianca wants to enter this route too, and has asked for 9 daily flights.

Yes it is, even from CLO Aires is flying 3 or 4 daily to EOH through PEI....I just wonder how they are doing since Aerocivil data is limited.


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2668 times:



Quoting Clo1973 (Reply 6):
Yes it is, even from CLO Aires is flying 3 or 4 daily to EOH through PEI....I just wonder how they are doing since Aerocivil data is limited.

Data is indeed limited, but the fact that Aires started with 7x daily flights and now operates 9x, and Avianca's sudden interest to enter this untapped market definitely makes you think that results must be better than expected.


SA.


User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 482 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Hi. I'll visit Colombia in March. I'll stay two days in Bogota and then, I'll go somewhere (maybe Cartagena) and wish to make nice domestic flights. Are old aircrafts still flying? (727, DC-9, Let-410, F-27.......).
Thanks.


User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 8):
Hi. I'll visit Colombia in March. I'll stay two days in Bogota and then, I'll go somewhere (maybe Cartagena) and wish to make nice domestic flights. Are old aircrafts still flying? (727, DC-9, Let-410, F-27.......).
Thanks.

The older generation Jet-plane you will see will be the MD-80s from P5 and AV. In the prop thing i´m not sure but i think that the Lets-410 are the older but you will need to try hard to find one, at least in BOG.

You also an see old 727s, 737s in Cargo airlines.

Gus
SKBO

[Edited 2008-09-09 06:09:40]


Colombian coffee, the best...take a cup and you will see how delicious it is.
User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 482 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2603 times:



Quoting Tavong (Reply 9):
Gus
SKBO

Thanks for your help.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2602 times:



Quoting Jigarciar (Thread starter):
INTERNATIONAL TOP 5

BOG-ATL-BOG / 95.60%
BOG-IAH-BOG / 91.72%
BOG-MAD-BOG / 91.64%
CLO-MAD-CLO / 90.14%
BOG-NYC (EWR-JFK) -BOG / 89.72%
BOG-CDG-BOG / 89.50%

Would you have the top routes in absolute numbers instead of percentage growth?

Quoting Jigarciar (Thread starter):
BOG-CDG-BOG / 89.50%

It is time for an upgrade.

Rgs,


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2553 times:



Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 8):
Are old aircrafts still flying? (727, DC-9, Let-410, F-27.......).

The only aircraft from that list which are still flying regular passenger services are the Let-410, which operate frequently from EOH (Medellin regional airport) to local destinations.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
It is time for an upgrade.

I agree, but unfortunately there are no signs of AF being interested in upgrading BOG. The preliminary Summer2009 schedules show the same daily A343.

The problem might be that AF does not have the right aircraft to upgrade BOG. The 772s have too many premium seats with a proportionately small Y-cabin. The 744s are more leisure-oriented, but with BOG's altitude, I doubt the 744 would make it nonstop to CDG with full load.

The other option would be to start adding more frequencies, but this would be a more drastic measure and it would require a revision in the bilateral between Colombia and France.


SA.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2547 times:



Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 12):
I agree, but unfortunately there are no signs of AF being interested in upgrading BOG. The preliminary Summer2009 schedules show the same daily A343.

The problem might be that AF does not have the right aircraft to upgrade BOG. The 772s have too many premium seats with a proportionately small Y-cabin. The 744s are more leisure-oriented, but with BOG's altitude, I doubt the 744 would make it nonstop to CDG with full load.

Indeed, realise the problem and it seems BOG has a specific situation with no "intermediary" product suitable for the current market. In this context, perhaps KLM B772 would be the most suitable aircraft, the same used for LIM daily nonstop.

Rgs,


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2546 times:



Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 12):
The 744s are more leisure-oriented, but with BOG's altitude, I doubt the 744 would make it nonstop to CDG with full load.

I think a 744 would make it.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 12):
The problem might be that AF does not have the right aircraft to upgrade BOG

You're right. That seems to be the main reason. Probably the 744 is a bit way too big and besides, AF might me facing a shortage of widebodies right now to support a second A343 to BOG or use a 744 in the route, while it can be used in other markets.

What could make sense for the route, is to AV start a flight 5x weekly with a old 762. Enough frequencies to attract pax and not THAT much capacity really. I bet the market is there, numbers have shown to be consistently strong.


Cheers

JAAH



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2522 times:



Quoting 777jaah (Reply 14):
I think a 744 would make it.

The B747 could make BOG nonstop but it would increase seat supply in class Y too drastically. AF B747 is not the solution. As I said, in the current scenario perhaps the best solution would be to allow KL to operate the route with its B772 the same fashion KL successfully operates in LIM.

Rgs,


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2518 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 15):
The B747 could make BOG nonstop but it would increase seat supply in class Y too drastically

I agree with you. What I meant was that maybe the plane didn't have the legs for the trip.

JAAH



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2497 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
It is time for an upgrade.

I think that it's been time for an upgrade for 3 years! AF has been carrying the same 15000 passengers a months at 90% load factor for that long.
Whilst Iberia has been growing at over 20% and carrying more and more business passengers, AF has stayed static. AF local management did request a B744 for BOG, but it does not look as if the wish will be granted.

A good aircraft for the route might be the 777-300ER in 2 clases that AF will start basing at CDG to replace the 744s that operate such routes as CCS.


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2481 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 17):
A good aircraft for the route might be the 777-300ER in 2 clases that AF will start basing at CDG to replace the 744s that operate such routes as CCS.

Now that AF has decided to accelerate the retirement of its 744 fleet, this might be the best option for CDG-BOG in the near future.


SA.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2443 times:



Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 12):
The 744s are more leisure-oriented, but with BOG's altitude, I doubt the 744 would make it nonstop to CDG with full load.

well LH used for years the 744 on the even longer route to FRA.. not with so much seats... but always heavy loaded with cargo
!



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2437 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 19):
well LH used for years the 744 on the even longer route to FRA.. not with so much seats... but always heavy loaded with cargo

Yes i remember these days, LH flew FRA-BOG-LIM-BOG-FRA. Surely the 744 has the legs to to the route but the capacity change from the A343 is realy big, is tere really enougth people to fill a 744?

In other hands isn't a high density B77W an option? I tendo to think that the 77W will not come to BOG in the mean time but dreaming is free *lol*

Gus
SKBO.



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2433 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 19):
well LH used for years the 744 on the even longer route to FRA.. not with so much seats... but always heavy loaded with cargo

Interesting. I was under the impression that LH used to operate the 747s to BOG with one stop, until the introduction of the A343 on the route. I stand corrected then.

However, you are assuming that LH operated the 747s restrictions-free out of BOG. Is there any way to confirm this? I mean, back then, LH could have simply decided to operate a restricted 747 because any other option was less viable.

Quoting Tavong (Reply 20):
In other hands isn't a high density B77W an option? I tendo to think that the 77W will not come to BOG in the mean time but dreaming is free *lol*

Soon, the 77W will be the only upgrade option. All the AF 744s will be replaced by them. Other option is adding more weekly frequencies, but that entails other problems as I posted above.


SA.


User currently offlineJigarciar From Colombia, joined May 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2427 times:



Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 1):
Where are the growth totals though?

Here we go:

Total growth of domestic passenger market (% in comparison with the same month of 2007):

4.17%

Total growth of international passenger market (% in comparison with the same month of 2007):

7.31%

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 3):
Although they acquired the smaller E-190, AeroRepublica still has many MD-80s in the fleet, too many to bring up that load-factor. AeroRepublica is flying its high-density MD-80s in routes that do not have the legs to support them, like Bogota-Bucaramanga and Bogota-Montería.

If they don't work extra-hard to concentrate the MDs in trunk routes like BOG-MDE and BOG-CLO, they'll never be able to bring up that load factor.

I do agree with you. P5 is not showing good results at all. They don't have a good load factor, even using the E190's, that have around 50 seats less than the MD's. Analyzing the statistics of the main routes within Colombia, Avianca is number one in all of them. And in international routes, (PTY and CCS, basically) they don't show a real growth, considering that on last year they did not fly on most of the routes they operate today. And I must say: this is not only in July; this situation has been like this during the whole year.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
Would you have the top routes in absolute numbers instead of percentage growth?

Of course, here we go:

Route / Seats offered (JUL08) / Passengers transported (JUL08)
BOG-ATL-BOG / 10.680 / 10.210

BOG-IAH-BOG / 7.440 / 6.824

BOG-MAD-BOG / 41.450 / 37.984

BOG-NYC-BOG / 23.724 / 21.286

CLO-MAD-CLO / 6.642 / 5.987

BOG-CDG-BOG / 16.864 / 15.093


Total passengers transported (international routes):

1°) Avianca + SAM: 212.997
2°) American: 58.904
3°) Copa: 39.280
4°) AeroRepública: 36.725
5°) Iberia: 24.037

Total passengers transported (domestic routes):

1°) Avianca + SAM: 473.834
2°) AeroRepública: 128.354
3°) Satena: 84.454
4°) Aires: 77.553
5°) EasyFly: 14.941


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2412 times:



Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 21):
Interesting. I was under the impression that LH used to operate the 747s to BOG with one stop, until the introduction of the A343 on the route. I stand corrected then.

However, you are assuming that LH operated the 747s restrictions-free out of BOG. Is there any way to confirm this? I mean, back then, LH could have simply decided to operate a restricted 747 because any other option was less viable.

yes it was nonstop, FRA-BOG-LIM-BOG-FRA, they had only some restrictions when they were full with cargo (and that was mostly the case) - but the restrctions were mostly only for non-rev passenger etc...



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2408 times:



Quoting Jigarciar (Reply 22):
They don't have a good load factor, even using the E190's, that have around 50 seats less than the MD's.

AeroRepublica must be in a pretty tough situation. They've put a lot of effort in trying to attract the business traveler and to leave behind the leisure profile they've been associated with.

But they are still not cutting it. There is a huge lack of consistency in the product offered. Let's not go too far: their E-190s and their MD-80s are two completely different experiences, which is inacceptable considering they only have those 2 types of planes.

If they start reducing frequencies in order to bring up load-factors, they will risk losing valuable business travelers which need the flexibility of having multiple daily flights.

Going head to head with Avianca on the domestic market is not working for them, and I truly hope they find a way to make their business work, because they won't last forever flying on half-empty planes.



SA.


25 Hardiwv : AF uses the B747 in two routes in South America: CCS and GIG, while the latter will also start receiving an additional daily A330 from October 2008.
26 Summa767 : This is for June08 .......................Seats ..Pax......LF BOG-MIA-BOG 57,924 50,232 86.72% MDE-MIA-MDE 28,008 22,525 80.42% As we said earlier in
27 Summa767 : Both DL and CO have very high load factors. IAH as CO uses a 737-700 on flights to BOG, whereas DL flies 757 from ATL and hence the difference in pas
28 RCS763AV : I think we wont see another AF aircraft in BOG until the new 773s arrive. Im guessing for a winter 09-10 upgrade or the summer after that. This list i
29 Jigarciar : Of course you can't. Here are the numbers: Route / Seats offered (JUL08) / Passengers transported (JUL08) / L.F. 1°) BOG-MIA-BOG / 57.924 / 50.232 /
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