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A330 Offered After A350 Production Starts?  
User currently offlineTylerDurden From United States of America, joined May 2008, 852 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4585 times:

They seem like complementary products not direct replacements for each other. So will Airbus continue to market the A330 (particularly the -300) after the 350 is up and established?

The 350 seems a bit heavy for the roles that the 330 does in many cases.

Sorry, if this has been covered before.

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6990 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4586 times:

The A330F, for sure, and probably other models too.

User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1329 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4518 times:



Quoting TylerDurden (Thread starter):
They seem like complementary products not direct replacements for each other. So will Airbus continue to market the A330 (particularly the -300) after the 350 is up and established?

The 350 seems a bit heavy for the roles that the 330 does in many cases.

I would expect it to sell until they cannot sell enough to warrant keeping a production chain. The only model that may (may) be shut down earlier than the -200 or the -f. Think of the 767 now.



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4490 times:

If Lockheed gets to keep the tanker contract, the A330 will be offered for a loooooooong time to come. Fingers crossed.

Even without the contract, so long as there is demand for any of the variants, all variants will be offered. You can still buy an A342 now despite it has been a good number of years since the last one rolled off the line.



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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1329 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4485 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 3):
If Lockheed gets to keep the tanker contract

Northrop Grumman/EADS Partnership I assume.  Smile



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4345 times:



Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 4):


Quoting Cloudyapple:
If Lockheed gets to keep the tanker contract

Northrop Grumman/EADS Partnership I assume.

Ooops! That's what I meant!



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6990 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4345 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 3):
You can still buy an A342 now

Really? Are you sure?


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4334 times:

What'd be good though is having the pre-XWB A350 being offered as an A33X but I'm not sure what the chances are. Perhaps Airbus needs something a tad bit smaller to go head to head with the B787 while avoiding competiting with the A358.


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4288 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 3):
You can still buy an A342 now despite it has been a good number of years since the last one rolled off the line.



Quoting PM (Reply 6):
Really? Are you sure?

I agree with PM's doubts here - I'm almost positive that I read that Airbus had stopped offering the -200 some time back, that only the -300, -500 and -600 are still being offered.



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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4285 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 6):
Perhaps Airbus needs something a tad bit smaller to go head to head with the B787 while avoiding competiting with the A358.

That would be cool but let's not get carried away - I think Airbus's priorities should be to roll out the 350 on time and according to specs. After the 380's delays debacle, I don't think Airbus can really afford to not put everything into get its project timeframes right...

 Smile


User currently offline767nutter From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

An article in Airliner World said Airbus are going to close down production of the A330/A340 a few years after the A350 begins flying, as the A350 is meant to be a replacement for the A330/A340 with the A380 being the big sibling, the A320 family is staying in production until at least 2018, as is the Boeing 737, because although airlines are calling for a new short haul model to be designed Airbus and Boeing are stciking with their winners at the moment

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3725 times:
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Quoting TylerDurden (Thread starter):
So will Airbus continue to market the A330 (particularly the -300) after the 350 is up and established?

You can still buy 767s and 777-200s from Boeing, even with the 787 and two classes of 777-200HGW available, so I see no reason for Airbus to not continue to offer the A330 and even the A340 after the A350 enters service (though I expect A340 sales will fade away, the family is close enough to the A330 that Airbus could offer one as-needed).


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3708 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 9):
Quoting PM (Reply 6) [I think that is Cloudy]:
Perhaps Airbus needs something a tad bit smaller to go head to head with the B787 while avoiding competiting with the A358.

That would be cool but let's not get carried away - I think Airbus's priorities should be to roll out the 350 on time and according to specs. After the 380's delays debacle, I don't think Airbus can really afford to not put everything into get its project timeframes right...

True Wunala, but then again, there seems to be quite an engineering effort still going into the A330 - hardly surprising in view of the size of its order backlog. Presumably quite a few of the changes intended for the thinner 350 versions are going in as improvements. How much work would there be involved in the plan to switch to a welded AlLi fuse. The weight loss from that would get the newer A330s for medium ranges close to or better that a certain plane that was going to extinguish the 330, would it not???


User currently offlineNQYGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3127 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 3):
Even without the contract, so long as there is demand for any of the variants, all variants will be offered. You can still buy an A342 now despite it has been a good number of years since the last one rolled off the line.

Is that for completely new aircraft?


User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Someone could tell me the passenger capacity of all variants of the upcoming A350s?

Are they similar to 200-220 and 270-300 (A330-200 and -300) ??



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User currently offline767nutter From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1892 times:

Airbus A350-800:
Passengers 270
8,300NM Range
Mach.85

Airbus A350-900
Passengers 314
8,100NM Range
Mach.85

Airbus A350-1000
Passengers 350
8,000NM Range
Mach.85

http://www.airbus.com/store/mm_repository/flash/a350xwb/airbus/


User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1817 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 3):
You can still buy an A342 now despite it has been a good number of years since the last one rolled off the line.

No you can't. Although Airbus' website no longer says it straight forward like it used to be, they are no longer offering the A340-200 for new sales. One might add that it seems very little people would be interested in the variant these days.



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User currently offlineFrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

Well, it wasn't that long ago that Airbus closed the A300/A310 production line, wasn't it? And even though they only produced A300F's, I believe the passenger models were in their catalogue until they announced the line to be closed.

So, I believe the A330 will certainly be for sale after the first A350's are delivered. With the current rate of sales, I wouldn't surprised if the first available free production slot is not too far away from 2012... And the A350 is sold out till 2017 AFAIK, and airlines will need new planes in the meantime...

The A340, I'm not sure about. I don't believe there are 343's in Airbus' backlog, just a couple of A345's and A346's. I personally believe that the A340 won't be on offer after first delivery of the A350, or even sooner. I don't think it will be economical for Airbus to build one per year or so... Wings, engines, landing gear, too many differences with the A330 to keep it on offer IMO.



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User currently onlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4358 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1736 times:



Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 17):
I don't believe there are 343's in Airbus' backlog,

There is one yet to be delivered; cn 955 for Bourkhan (VIP), probably indeed be the last CFM Airbus 340 (200/300) to be built. BUT if someone suddenly orders 10 in 2012 I am sure Airbus will build them.



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