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FJ Reduces NAN/HNL & Possibly HNL/YVR?  
User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

tried to book on the Tue SYD/HNL flight in NOV as just about always cheap seats, even though a bit of a milkrun via NAN & CXI, but it seems to have been dropped.Still in schedules but can't book it.

Also, we heard a rumour through a Canadian wholesaler than twice a week 737 FJ YVR/HNL/YVR is being dropped completely & passengers will instead go via LAX on some codeshare YVR/LAX.

If this is correct, will free up a lot of 737 time:-

1 x NAN/CXI/HNL/CXI/NAN per week
2 x HNL/YVR/HNL per week

that's at least 42 hours a week (scheduled) so actual more when you take into account turnaround time, so probably more like 48 hours a week of 737 time freed up.

Where will these 737's go ?

Hopefully FJ will do at least 1 NAN/MEL/NAN not at back of the clock & maybe some other NAN/BNE services. Maybe even another NAN/SYD.

FJ services between MEL,SYD & BNE/NAN seem to be relatively fullmost of time, but NAN/LAX/NAN can't be if they just cust back from 6 to 5 per week.

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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

What is the reason UA is going to be flying LAX/NAN on behalf of FJ???
Is one of the FJ B744's being returned or going into maintenance?



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User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2177 times:



Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 1):
What is the reason UA is going to be flying LAX/NAN on behalf of FJ???
Is one of the FJ B744's being returned or going into maintenance?

767 then 747 into maintenance


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2163 times:



Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 1):
What is the reason UA is going to be flying LAX/NAN on behalf of FJ???

what dates are this?


User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2159 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Thread starter):
milkrun via NAN & CXI, but it seems to have been dropped.Still in schedules but can't book it.

what is CXI ??


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2137 times:
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 3):
Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 1):
What is the reason UA is going to be flying LAX/NAN on behalf of FJ???

what dates are this?

I believe it started today and will continue for 3 weeks


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2094 times:
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Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 4):
what is CXI ??

Cassidy International Airport, Kiritimati Island, Kiribati.

Kiritimati is also known as Christmas Island, since that is very close to how it is pronounced and is a transliteration of Christmas into the local language.


User currently offlineAzncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1923 times:



Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 1):
What is the reason UA is going to be flying LAX/NAN on behalf of FJ???
Is one of the FJ B744's being returned or going into maintenance?

I believe the B747 will be wet lease to FJ. I don't think UA will be flying on behalf of FJ, nor will they provide crew support....


User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1106 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1851 times:



Quoting Azncsa4qf744er (Reply 7):
I believe the B747 will be wet lease to FJ. I don't think UA will be flying on behalf of FJ, nor will they provide crew support....

That would be a dry lease then. Wet lease indicates UA crew.



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User currently offlineVxg From United States of America, joined May 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

According to the Air Pacific (FJ) website, CXI has been suspended due to issues with the runway. They state the service will only be restored when the runway has been repaird to operational standards. Given that this is the only air service to the island and is subsidized by the government of Kiribati, it will probably be worked on with some level of priority if there is such a thing on the islands (not meant as a diss, former resident of Kiribati myself)

VxG


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1752 times:



Quoting Vxg (Reply 9):
According to the Air Pacific (FJ) website, CXI has been suspended due to issues with the runway. They state the service will only be restored when the runway has been repaird to operational standards. Given that this is the only air service to the island and is subsidized by the government of Kiribati, it will probably be worked on with some level of priority if there is such a thing on the islands (not meant as a diss, former resident of Kiribati myself)

yes but apparently this Tue flight is not being operated at all ie. on a nonstop NAN/HNL basis-you can't bring up any availability - looked at 4NOV


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1746 times:



Quoting Vxg (Reply 9):
According to the Air Pacific (FJ) website, CXI has been suspended due to issues with the runway. They state the service will only be restored when the runway has been repaird to operational standards. Given that this is the only air service to the island and is subsidized by the government of Kiribati, it will probably be worked on with some level of priority if there is such a thing on the islands (not meant as a diss, former resident of Kiribati myself)

yes but apparently this Tue flight is not being operated at all ie. on a nonstop NAN/HNL basis-you can't bring up any availability - looked at 4NOV

You'd think with QF getting A380's next month & owining something like 46% of FJ, that QF could find a 763ER &/or a 747 that could fill in rather than pay UA.

A 763er could operate NAN/LAX/NAN like NZ used to do earlier when codeshared with FJ(or even an A330 ?)


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

It does strike me as tough for FJ to fly HNL-YVR in competition with Air Canada. I wouldn't think there'd be enough of a market for two airlines on this route, especially without a strong base on one of the two ends of this route.

Where is the information on UA operating an LAX-NAN route? Is this confirmed?

I hope Air Pacific finds the routes that will make them money and leaves others to code-shares.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25546 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

United will operate wet-lease flying for Air Pacific on LAX-NAN-SYD and LAX-NAN-AKL routes for two months commencing October.


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User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1719 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
It does strike me as tough for FJ to fly HNL-YVR in competition with Air Canada. I wouldn't think there'd be enough of a market for two airlines on this route, especially without a strong base on one of the two ends of this route.

FJ currently operates the only direct service BNE/YVR (but it's a milkrun BNE/NAN/HNL/YVR) timetabled at 22 hours 35 minutes in a 737 the whole way.



BNE passengers can do it via SYD in 17 hours 15 minutes or via LAX in 17 hours 48 minutes (most people would prefer later than having to go to SYD)

Has been known to be popular with older generation who don't like long flights, but only having 2/week HNL/YVR on what must be heavily weight restricted flight, probably means it's losing money.

FJ were going to pull off route (HNL/YVR/HNL) last year I think it was, when they signed a codeshare agreement with Harmony, just before Harmony pulled the pin on scheduled ops.

Sensible move as apparently FJ NAN/LAX services are not full & would probably not be weight restricted at all (timetbaled NAN/LAX 10 hours 20 mins & LAX/NAN 10 hours 40 mins) & then only pay for codeshared seats needed LAX/YVR/LAX.

Perhaps FJ could go to daily NAN/LAX/NAN even if 1, 2 or 3 days a week operated with a 763 ?


User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1702 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
It does strike me as tough for FJ to fly HNL-YVR in competition with Air Canada. I wouldn't think there'd be enough of a market for two airlines on this route, especially without a strong base on one of the two ends of this route.

WS and AC fly this route. HNL is one of the most popular destinations ex-YVR.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25464 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1698 times:



Quoting Jayce (Reply 15):
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
It does strike me as tough for FJ to fly HNL-YVR in competition with Air Canada. I wouldn't think there'd be enough of a market for two airlines on this route, especially without a strong base on one of the two ends of this route.

WS and AC fly this route. HNL is one of the most popular destinations ex-YVR.

Being popular and being profitable are two different things. Just look at the lack of success of at least 4 U.S. carriers that have tried to operate YVR-HNL over the years. I don't think any lasted more than a couple of years.


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1685 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
Being popular and being profitable are two different things. Just look at the lack of success of at least 4 U.S. carriers that have tried to operate YVR-HNL over the years. I don't think any lasted more than a couple of years.

imagine it will be just about all leisure traffic & some freight, although don't imagine WS 737's could carry much freight on these long sectors (for a 737)


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1624 times:
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Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
Where is the information on UA operating an LAX-NAN route? Is this confirmed?

Several NZ employees and an FJ employee have confirmed it


User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1530 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
I believe it started today and will continue for 3 weeks

Not quite...

United Airlines B744 will replace Air Pacific B744 DQ-FJK flights while it is in SIN for D check. This will be from the 29th September until 24th November.

It will be operating ALL FJ B744 flights into AKL while it is with FJ.

Quoting Azncsa4qf744er (Reply 7):
I believe the B747 will be wet lease to FJ. I don't think UA will be flying on behalf of FJ, nor will they provide crew support....

Yes it is a wet lease and it will be crewed by UA crew. Half the FJ B744 crew have been asked to go on paid leave.

Quoting Vxg (Reply 9):
According to the Air Pacific (FJ) website, CXI has been suspended due to issues with the runway

This is correct.

NZ747


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1519 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 18):
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
Where is the information on UA operating an LAX-NAN route? Is this confirmed?

Several NZ employees and an FJ employee have confirmed it

made a booking this am & in itinerary it said

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