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DL: HKG-ATL, NW:HKG-DTW, AA: HKG-ORD?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8619 times:

Do they still have plans to start these routes? If yes when? They were all mentioned before.

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User currently offlineJcchristie From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8505 times:

HKG-DTW is the only one I can see happening as of now. AA does not have the range to operate ORD-HKG and once Delta has 744's, they may begin ATL-HKG one day.

User currently offlineIluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8451 times:



Quoting Jcchristie (Reply 1):
AA does not have the range to operate ORD-HKG

If CO's 772ERs can do EWR-HKG, then certainly AA's can as well, right? This route would seem to make the most sense as it would connect to major hubs within an alliance that is not currently served.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8410 times:
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Quoting Jcchristie (Reply 1):
AA does not have the range to operate ORD-HKG



Quoting Iluv747400 (Reply 2):
If CO's 772ERs can do EWR-HKG, then certainly AA's can as well, right?

I could be wrong but I think Jcchristie is referring not to the range capabilities of the aircraft but rather the refusal of the AA crews to operate ultra long haul flights, I seem to recall the same restriction scuttled AAs application to operate DFW-PVG ( or was it DFW-BJS )



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User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8396 times:
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Once a few more 77Ls come onboard, i wouldn't be surprised to see Atl-Hkg.

As for Dtw-Hkg, i think NW would be foolish to engage in anything in the way of international expansion until the fate of the DL merger is clear and they have a better idea of what their fleet allocation is going to be post merger. I'm sure, once the merger goes through Anderson is going to have definite ideas as to fleet reallocation, i.e. bringing the A330s to Atl, sending 763s to Dtw and Msp and perhaps bringing the 744s to Atl to free up some of the 777s. Until those questions are sorted out, NW shouldn't be doing any expanding.



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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8355 times:

How long has it been since DL has operated any 747's?


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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8283 times:



Quoting Jcchristie (Reply 1):
once Delta has 744's, they may begin ATL-HKG one day.

Keep in mind the upcoming 77L deliveries...

Ship 7103 - 12/31/08 Firm
Ship 7104 - 1/31/09 Firm
Ship 7105 - 1/31/09 Firm
Ship 7106 - 1/31/09 Firm
Ship 7107 - 2/29/09 Firm
Ship 7108 - 3/31/09 Firm

You might see ATL-HKG ealier than you might think...


User currently offlineA999 From Norway, joined Mar 2004, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8222 times:

DL flew 747s from Sept.-70 to Apr.-77.

User currently offlineJohnclipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 855 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8117 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
DFW-PVG ( or was it DFW-BJS

Just to keep the record straight...PEK is the airport code unless you refer to Beijing overall (BJS). PVG is Pu Dong airport only. Kind of like NYC (New York) versus JFK (Kennedy Intl)...luggage tags always say PEK, not BJS...


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8112 times:



Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Do they still have plans to start these routes? If yes when? They were all mentioned before

Neither DL, NW or AA have ever said they are going to operate those routes. That has all been speculation on this forum. So it is not a question of " still have plans" since they have never stated any plans along those lines.


User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4871 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8059 times:
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Quoting Flynavy (Reply 6):
Keep in mind the upcoming 77L deliveries...

Ship 7103 - 12/31/08 Firm
Ship 7104 - 1/31/09 Firm
Ship 7105 - 1/31/09 Firm
Ship 7106 - 1/31/09 Firm
Ship 7107 - 2/29/09 Firm
Ship 7108 - 3/31/09 Firm

there's a Boeing strike going on, wouldn't hold my breath the first few deliveries will be on schedule.


User currently offlinePhileet92 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7975 times:

I sure hope NW brings back JFK-NRT hopefully with the delivery of those 787s soon. MSP or DTW to HKG would be nice too. AA probably doesnt operate out of HKG because CX does and they would rather codeshare and have passengets connect rather than waste fuel and money to operate a non full load to ORD. I believe that CX loads in Y are almost always full. Considering that they need to operate about three flights a day to all their North American Cities?

User currently offlineGsosbee From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7941 times:



Quoting Phileet92 (Reply 11):
I sure hope NW brings back JFK-NRT hopefully with the delivery of those 787s soon.

I think the airplane has to fly first!


User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 975 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7622 times:



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 4):
Once a few more 77Ls come onboard, i wouldn't be surprised to see Atl-Hkg.

I would...

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 6):
Keep in mind the upcoming 77L deliveries...(edit) You might see ATL-HKG ealier than you might think...

77Ls planned for other routes...ATL-HKG will happen later than you might think.

Quoting Phileet92 (Reply 11):
I sure hope NW brings back JFK-NRT

NW...DL...in a few months there won't be any difference. And JFK-NRT will be back.


User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7618 times:
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Quoting Gsosbee (Reply 12):
I think the airplane has to fly first!

 Silly Always a good thing Big grin

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
could be wrong but I think Jcchristie is referring not to the range capabilities of the aircraft but rather the refusal of the AA crews to operate ultra long haul flights,

Is this a fact? If it is, it seems that AA crews (unions) are even worse than SK crews (unions)...

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Stein



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User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7566 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 6):
Ship 7107 - 2/29/09 Firm

I hope DL did not request a plane to be delivered on this day, or if they did they are pretty dumb.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7541 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 6):

Ship 7103 - 12/31/08 Firm
Ship 7104 - 1/31/09 Firm
Ship 7105 - 1/31/09 Firm
Ship 7106 - 1/31/09 Firm
Ship 7107 - 2/29/09 Firm
Ship 7108 - 3/31/09 Firm

DL's 77L plans should be announced any day now if in order to get anything in the first quarter on sale asap



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4763 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7391 times:



Quoting Phileet92 (Reply 11):
sure hope NW brings back JFK-NRT hopefully with the delivery of those 787s soon.

The route will be operated long before NW (er DL) gets their 787s....

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 13):

77Ls planned for other routes...ATL-HKG will happen later than you might think

Bingo.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6981 times:

As much as I would like to see AA start ORD-HKG, I expect to see CX going with the route first for the following reasons.

1-They have a more capable aircraft in the -300ER.
2-They don't have the pilot situations which AA has.
3-AA is a bit more conservative when it comes to such long-haul expansion.
4-Possible better brand/service recognition with CX over AA (this one is bit of a guess).

I think AA will wind up stamping a "codeshare" on this route allowing pax to get AA EQM's without having to resort to using any of its own metal. With both HKG/ORD being OneWorld Hubs, I think this route can definitely work out-there would be more than enough feed to/from both sides.. yes 



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User currently offline747tech From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6368 times:



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 4):
sending 763s to Dtw and Msp and perhaps bringing the 744s to Atl to free up some of the 777s. Until those questions are sorted out, NW shouldn't be doing any expanding.

DTW will always keep 747s:

1) one of only a few double bay 747 hangars in the country
2) ATL is very congested, with many delays, delaying a 747 creates several misconnections out of NRT. DTW 747s flight have continued on time departures more than 90%. I could see MSP moving one its 747 NRT flight to ATL.
DTW is a solid operation, a great place to connect. Delta would be making a great mistake diverting pax to ATL instead of DTW.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6355 times:



Quoting 747tech (Reply 19):
DTW will always keep 747s:

1) one of only a few double bay 747 hangars in the country
2) ATL is very congested, with many delays, delaying a 747 creates several misconnections out of NRT. DTW 747s flight have continued on time departures more than 90%. I could see MSP moving one its 747 NRT flight to ATL.
DTW is a solid operation, a great place to connect. Delta would be making a great mistake diverting pax to ATL instead of DTW.

I wouldn't count on DTW keeping 2x daily 744s to NRT also the DTW-KIX/NGO 744s will likely be moved. Also AFAIK ATL has a bay or two that can handle 747s. (Would guess they can put a few in TOC-II)



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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6312 times:



Quoting A999 (Reply 7):
DL flew 747s from Sept.-70 to Apr.-77.

Thanks. Seven years is awful short for having a plane, specially a 747. Why did they get rid of them? Doesn't seem like they gave them much of a chance.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6259 times:



Quoting B727LVR (Reply 21):
Thanks. Seven years is awful short for having a plane, specially a 747. Why did they get rid of them? Doesn't seem like they gave them much of a chance.

To big. L1011 was much much better for what DL was mostly using the 747s for. ATL-LAX,MIA are two routes that I know of.



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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6206 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 22):
To big. L1011 was much much better for what DL was mostly using the 747s for. ATL-LAX,MIA are two routes that I know of.

Ahh, ok. Yeah those are fairly large for those routes. Although I remember being in Australia and flying from Cairns to Sydney of a 747CL. I thought it was strange to have that big of a plane for that, but it was actually pretty full.



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User currently offlineSean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 772 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6205 times:

I don't see 747's going to ATL when they barely fill the 777 on many flights...

The DTW-Japan flights are full practically every day, and often oversold +20-40 pax.

DTW-Asia picks up a ton of pax from Canada, something that wouldn't work as well via ATL (+2 extra hours flight time..)

DTW-Asia still has a lot of J seats going to auto company employees going back and forth to Asia.

DTW is much less congested.


25 DeltaL1011man : What are you talking about? ATL-NRT is at almost 100% loads everyday. Plus ATL-DXB is pretty full along with (even with what a.net says) ICN and PVG.
26 LawnDart : I wouldn't count on DTW losing any of those flights...DTW has a great facility, plenty of runways, and is a good competitor to ORD. Also, you can mor
27 Viscount724 : They were much too big for use on domestic routes and usually flew half empty. DL had virtually no international routes then apart from a couple of i
28 Exaauadl : AA's aircraft can fly it. Per haps they are just too short right now. I dont know if HKG-USA requires a bilateral approval or not. AA had crew issues
29 ElmoTheHobo : With ORD-PEK being delayed, as well as some shifting of 777 flying from Heathrow, American could launch ORD-HKG as early as next year. With changes t
30 Panamair : The 777s with the lie-flats will soon have 45 J seats - 2 seats are being added in the very first row.
31 MCOAviationFan : Too bad! I thought DL would be going for this route next year. Although with the recent scaleback in routes to China, I could see the reluctance to s
32 SFOHORIZON : I may be an airline a.nut, but I have never understood why AA does not fly ORD HKG. I suppose they earn revenue on their codeshare with CX from LA and
33 Chapavaeaa : About 10 years ago AA ran a 777 demonstration flight (may not be the correct term for it) from DFW-ORD-HKG-ORD. The flight was conducted as a internal
34 Funkywabit : I just have one question..... How much of that synergy err I mean money will it cost to relocate a fleet that does not fly out of ATL and replace them
35 DeltaL1011man : Never said they would lose the flights but the DTW-KIX/NGO flights are likely to lose the 744s for 777s. Also the same for 1x daily of the DTW-NRT. T
36 Cubsrule : How do you explain ORD-DME or ORD-DEL?
37 DeltaL1011man : How much more money will DL make if they take a A330 off a route like MSP-CDG and move it to ATL-GRU? If they move the plane it will be because they
38 MCOAviationFan : I always thought this route would be a slam dunk for AA, but as others have mentioned, AA pilots will not fly ultra long haul flights. Funny thing is
39 ElmoTheHobo : One off events. I drink the AA kool aid, but there is only so much you can drink before wondering whether the whole conservative approach to business
40 Phileet92 : WooHoo! When are they going to start this route up again?
41 Phileet92 : WooHoo! When are they going to start this route up again? JFK-NRT that is.
42 Cubsrule : Oh, I agree. But I wonder if we can figure out a way to differentiate the ORD-DMEs of the world from the forgone routes. If so, we can presumably ana
43 Alitalia744 : Not sure where you're getting your thoughts from, but data would prove otherwise. C'mon LawnDart - you and I must be betting men, I'm gonna say befor
44 Flynavy : Typo - my mistake. 2/28/09. With an influx of 6 aircraft in the near future, those who say there won't be any new 777 stations open up as a result ar
45 MaverickM11 : Plus DTW is a better Asian hub than ATL because of its better access to the Northeast. It obviously lacks the Latin American connections but outside
46 MCOAviationFan : [quote=MaverickM11,reply=45]Plus DTW is a better Asian hub than ATL because of its better access to the Northeast. It obviously lacks the Latin Americ
47 747tech : I don't disagree but I don't see a mass migration of all 747 flights out of ATL. DTW will keep some 747 flights. It makes no sense to move all the 74
48 Cubsrule : Very little of MSP's traffic connecting from the US to Asia can connect just as easily through ATL... unless I'm missing huge numbers of TPA-NRT or M
49 Centrair : That is kind. I think they might even get relocated to west coast departure zones with connections to the NRT hub or via HNL. ie SEA-NGO with a conne
50 DeltaL1011man : You will see both Ok not trying to get pissy but JFK-NRT will be a 777 not a 787. Don't worry they shall stay. If the pilot will let it happen AA wil
51 MCOAviationFan : DL/NW route analysis would need to look at the yields on these various flights . If downgauging the MSP-NRT to a 777 would strengthen yields and allo
52 Lambert747 : ATL-PVG, ATL-ICN, ATL-NRT all do excellent with cargo traffic as well.. Indeed correct, however DTW does not have the yield-rich South American marke
53 DeltaL1011man : Will the new North Brazil flights help ATL-Asia? and what about SCL?
54 MCOAviationFan : Precisely why I mentioned swapping aircraft on ATL/MSP to NRT. Move the 747-400 to ATL-NRT and a 777ER to MSP-NRT. Both flights would profitably bene
55 Centrair : If CX were to start HKG-ORD, would they do it non-stop or would they add a 1-stop at ANC or YVR?
56 United Airline : I still remember reading it somewhere that DL is interested in HKG-ATL, NW is interested in HKG-DTW while AA is interested in HKG-ORD. That was other
57 HB-IWC : This thread has strayed terribly off topic. It was originally intended as a discussion about future Hong Kong routes by Delta, Northwest and American,
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