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Should Northwest Retire Their DC-10s?  
User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

Go to www.nwa.com and type in flight 945 on 3/12

This flight was delayed 7 hrs and 5 minutes, all due to mechanical problems. It had mechanical problems leaving MSP and then again at SEA. A relative of mine was on that flight, and I can't wait for his trip report.

Initially there was additionally a crew-scheduling delay listed on nwa.com, but they took that one off. That seems a bit convenient...

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User currently offlineBraniff727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1740 times:

Personally, yes I think Northwest NEEDS to retire their DC-10's. They are old and in bad condition. Personally I think that flight was delayed due to the mechanics union...


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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6496 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1732 times:

Braniff727
Please give me the evidence that they are in poor condition. What facts do you have that led you to this conclusion.


User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1385 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1724 times:

Well Agnus things like that happen in this industry, all aircraft have mechanical problems no matter how old are new. I was on a flight from Lax to Korea two months ago and the 747-400 had mechanical problems. the delay was 6 hours and it was a 1998 delivered aircraft according to the flight crew! It is time for them to go although the oldest ones date back to 1972. I am sure that they will keep up with the trend with the Widebody Trijets and older 747's being replaced by Wide body Twins with the U.S majors.


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User currently offlineBraniff727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1715 times:

Bobnwa,

Every one of these aircraft is in bad condition due to NW's low standards in aircraft maintenance. The interiors are shot, the galleys often don't work and, as my partner (a NW F/A) will attest, they often are delayed due to ligitimate mechanical issues. He know several F/A's that have been working DC-10's that have had to make emergency landings due to mechanical failure.

They were great planes, but their days are numbered. It's sad to see them go, but many people at Northwest, as well as myself think it's time for them to be retired.



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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1702 times:

I cant speak for NWA, but DC-10'S (Death Cruisers) as we like to call them, are loved by many pilots, and feared by almost all F/A's

On almost all trips, whether it be on the outbound or the inbound leg, there is some sort of serious mechanical failure. The time for them to go is now, most of the major US carriers are well on the way to retiring them.

I won't even get on one anymore

Jer


User currently offlineAa737 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 849 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1693 times:

While the planes re getting old, it might just be the mechanics union playing games with the airline to get better wages. I have nothing to prove that, but it is a possibility. The DC-10s will be retired soon, but the replacements were just ordered so it will be a few years more before they are inplace.

Just because the plane is old doesn't mean it is always going to break. I was flying ORD-LHR on a AA 772 that was only a few months old and we were delayed by over an hour because something broke. Stuff breaks, it happens. Every airline and aircraft at some point will be delayed by many hours due to maitnence.


User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1686 times:

The DC-10's will be retired beginning in 2002. NWA has placed an order for 24 Airbus A-330-300's and 20 Boeing 757-300's. The A330's are to replace the DC-10-30's and the 757's are to replace the Series 40's

For more info, check out their press release:

http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/2001/pr011720010546.html

Charles, SJ



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User currently offlineAFC_ajax00 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

I partially agree with AA737, as NW is having major problems with the mechanics unions they could be messing with aircraft to get NW's attention but on the other hand, the aircraft are getting older but that is not to say they are in bad condition


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User currently offlineTg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

NWA should NOT retire their Dc10.

They are just lovly, and the Dc10 aren't a unsafe plane.

tg 747-300



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User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

I'm not suggesting the DC-10s are not properly maintained. However, 7 hours is too long to wait. If it's the mechanics union causing such problems, then it is all the more unacceptable.

I'm HOPING it's the aircraft as opposed to the employees, but I'm not so sure.

I had a NW DC-10 delayed about 5 hours a month ago due to a mechanical, so I know this isn't a one-time occurance.


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

I will suggest that DC-10'S are not properly maintained, they are a nightmare. By the end of their time in between services, they are a flying bucket of bolts. I will take it further and say that I have heard mechanics say to the pilot, "are you sure you want to take this plane in the air" and the pilot taking it into the air as they have to keep the flights on schedule. For those who suggest "all planes break from time to time" this is true, but the reason why most of the american carriers are retiring the 10's is that the maintenance costs on them are horrific.

Pilots really like the 10, but I tend to think of it like classic cars, they don't drive as smoothly as new ones, and they certainly aren't as reliable, but there is a certain class with them...

Jer
Ps, is it becoming clear that I really don't like them ?


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

Continental's are quite nice craft, yet they need to be retired because they are fuel guzzlers compared to the replacement A330 and 767-400. However, NW can't retire them yet, they need replacement craft. I believe they will do what they other airlines do, as a 753 or A330 comes in, a DC-10 goes. At least we'll still see them as the MD-10, too bad they can't convert them to pax a/c.

Jeff


User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3702 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1554 times:
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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4212 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

Umm.. all i can say is my dad has around 2000 hours as captain in the NW DC-10's.... and has never had more than a minor problem- and has never had to divert... the closest he has come to having to divert was when a passenger got deathly ill on the plane over afghanistan. The aircraft are very well maintained and look new. They are as nice on the interior as any plane i have ever been on. I have been on them numerous times and can attest.




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User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

Northwest is going to start replacing them soon. Until then they are fine airplanes. even the newest can be delayed hours by some minor problems. I have seen brand new A319s sit at the gate while mechanics are tearing it apart finally getting it fixed hours later. Sometimes things need work done that there is no way to rush. Northwest has some of the best mechanics out there, so I have no doubt that the -10s are in great shape.

User currently offlineAKDan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

Nah. They'll be fine. Push em till 2010. Don't ya worry 'bout nuthin!

User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

It will be sad  Sad But I tink they should go. Where will they go? Ive been on 1 DC10 of theirs, Nice flight!


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User currently offlinePW4084 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

I like looking out from the upper level of a terminal and seeing that large #2 engine windmilling in the breeze...its rearing to go. Long live the DC tri-jets.






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User currently offlineRealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1493 times:

Leave the DC-10 alone!


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User currently offlineGunFighter 6 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

First of all a seven hour delay, well those things happen.
I was delayed once for 14 hours because a brandnew Transavia B757 was having engine problems and no replacement aircraft was available.
so we can't blame that on the poor status of the 10's.

however, I think the DC10's must go due to the fact they are beginning to become a bad image for NW.
this because all other airlines already fly new aircraft such as the 777. yet NW is the only airline not to follow in the near future, yes i know about the new 757's and 330's. but they wont start arriving for another year maybe 2.

warm regards Big grin
G.


User currently offlineRealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

Are you sure the DC-10 is bad for NW image among most travellers?

I don't think so.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

The NW DC-10's weren't called Diesel 10's for nothing.  Smile

With the order for the A330-300 and 757-300, NW will begin to rapidly phase out their D10 fleet. I think people forget that NW also has additional new options on both of these new planes, so if NW exercises these options the entire D10 fleet could be gone as early as 2008. I won't be surprised that the additional A333's will be used on the SEA/SFO/LAX to Hawaii routes.


User currently offlineTg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

Since i will be flying nwa on saturday, I have searched the flight/gate status on nwa.com, and did you know that Nw 396 has been canselde two or three times over the last two weeks due to un scheduled maintenaing of the newest birds in their fleet (th A320)

So whats wrong with a good old and polite douglas.

BTW. Do you also consider the dc9 to be some s### also?

tg 747-300



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User currently offlinePtica2000 From Slovenia, joined Nov 2000, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

Both, DC10 and DC9 are old. It is true that they are very beautiful planes, but they are old. They burn to much fuel, they have to be repaired often... I think they should go.  Crying

25 Jumbojettim : Apparently FedEx(#1 Express freight company in the world) doesn't think that they're old and unreliable since they have 72 -10 series and 22 -30 serie
26 Adam84 : I have made so many DC-10 flights within the last 2 years that I have lost count. This is not by coincidence but cause I wanted to fly DC-10's. Out of
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