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Siamsa Sa Speir: Irish 34/08  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12518 posts, RR: 35
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11413 times:

Dia dhaoibh a chairde agus failte romhaibh go leir!

Good morning folks and welcome to 34/08; as No.33 was heading towards the 300 mark, I thought I might as well press ahead, onwards and upwards ...

Only ten days into September, we've already seen the loss of a well known and respected carrier in Irish skies, Futura, and its subsidiary, Futura Gael; initial indications were that the airline is being restructured, but there seems to be a general malaise about their prospects of recovering; hopefully they will be able to return in some form.

I'd like to provide some nugget of good news that might justify the title ("amusement in the sky"), but it's hard to find much to be positive about; I'd point to the decreasing oil prices, but I see OPEC is looking to lower production, so I can see that decrease bottoming out pretty soon; it won't stop FR pressing EI to drop its fuel surcharge, though!

Well, let's hope we see some positive developments over the next few weeks anyway ...

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User currently offlineTonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1948 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 11403 times:
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Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
Well, let's hope we see some positive developments over the next few weeks anyway ...

Yes we could certainly do with some good news. Things have been pretty terrible for the last few months. Well I suppose one positive is that the new terminal at DUB seems to be going to plan so lets hope that continues although with any big project like that, there is bound to be some problems during the construction and commissioning of it. Does anyone have some more recent photos of the progress at T2?



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User currently offlineEIEGAA From Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11375 times:

Shamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 4535 posts, RR: 8
Reply 269, posted Tue Sep 9 2008 18:22:49 your local time (14 hours 49 minutes 7 secs ago) and read 294 times:


I heard an Aer Lingus advert played on the radio today in Subway, it was mainly about flying from Heathrow to Belfast and there was also something about the Belfast City Marathon in 2009. It ended along the lines of, "Aer Lingus also fly to Dublin and Cork so for low fares and friendly service book now at aerlingus.com. Aer Lingus, take a fresh look". It sounded like Terry Wogan speaking but it was hard to tell and there was a catchy tune played with it


Yes Aer Lingus are sponsoring next year's Belfast Marathon. They also seem to be advertising their new routes from BFS on the sides on just about every double-decker Citybus up here.



An Dun, All-Ireland Champions 2010
User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11364 times:

Just picking up on a few comments from the last thread:

Re: FR and EDI.

Really unfortunate for FR. Whilst I am not their biggest fan, it is a shame the strike has caused a delay to the opening of the EDI base.
FR state that they can open up in 6 weeks time as aircraft will become available from the fleet. Does anyone know are they delaying sales of some B738's pending the arrival of the new aircraft? The reason I ask is that the strike is obviously going to affect FR's planned delivery schedule for some time.


Re: Heavier A330.

"EI get in to airbus now and revise the order." This is good news for Airbus but I have no doubt their will be a lot of changes to orders by many airlines with A330's in the pipeline.

Re: Oil

Was great to see oil hit below the $100 mark yesterday and is good news for EI and FR from an Irish perspective.

I would not be too worried about the cut in production. This was production above the quota so now they will only be producing what they are meant to be producing. From reading a lot of commentary and the world economy, I think oil is still on a downward trend.

I wonder how MO'L feels after hedging his fuel for the year at around $120+???????


User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27112 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11274 times:

Ryanair wins judicial review of decision over Knock route

By John Mulligan
Wednesday September 10 2008
THE start of a massively subsidised air route between Knock and Dublin on October 1 is unlikely to be affected after Ryanair yesterday secured the right to a judicial review of the Department of Transport's decision to award the service to Aer Arann.

Ryanair did not originally submit a tender to operate the route, which receives millions of euro a year in subsidies under the European Union's public service obligation (PSO) rules.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...sion-over-knock-route-1472785.html

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Wednesday, September 10, 2008

Airlines rise as oil stocks fall in Dublin trading

By Brian O'Mahony, Chief Business Correspondent
AIRLINE stocks rose and oil stocks fell sharply in Dublin yesterday, as the price of oil edged closer to $100 per barrel after OPEC decided to maintain current output.

http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer...qa=business-qqqid=71985-qqqx=1.asp

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Thank god oil is coming down. Someone said it would level off at around $100 a barrel. Hopefully this is true until the next panic. I'm sure the airlines are cautiously optimistic.


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11271 times:

If you take a look at aerlingus.com it would appear they are finally entering schedules for next summer. Have just been checking from/to DUB for the moment so below data refers only to DUB. Toulouse is now bookable from March 29th 2009  cheerful  (only until June 28th at the moment though) operating same frequency and times as this year. BOD is showing up similar as now and also bookable as of March 29th 2009, with that 5the weekly rotation as this year taking place again, on Thurs instead of Tues, but only seems bookable towards end of May.
Madrid is still just showing up with some message like (I'm getting it in French) "no availability on requested date"... however was getting same message for TLS about an hour ago.
Jersey sadly Kaitak, at the moment is still showing up with standard message that route does not operate in this month.
Malaga is showing us as twice daily (A330-300 on morning flights) and Saturdays have three daily rotations (an A330, A321 and A320).
Fares are all VERY high, all in excess of €200 each way on each route mentioned above. Suppose this is just as they enter data.
Can anyone confirm the above.



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11239 times:

ATH is 3w down from 4w this summer. BOJ is 3w up from 2w this summer. BUC is 4w u from 3w this summer. HEL returns next summer at 2w, and so does IBZ. Some destinations arent showing, but i'm sure they are still loading. Some UK flights arent loaded, although they will almost definately appear. WAW isdialoy next summer again, I presume EI are sticking with this one since they will have a monopoly on it!

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11236 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
Only ten days into September, we've already seen the loss of a well known and respected carrier in Irish skies, Futura, and its subsidiary, Futura Gael; initial indications were that the airline is being restructured, but there seems to be a general malaise about their prospects of recovering; hopefully they will be able to return in some form.

Futura will not return. Most of their aircraft are being repossessed by their owners at this stage.


User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27112 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11238 times:



Quoting Toulouse (Reply 5):
Toulouse is now bookable from March 29th 2009   

OMG DUB-TLS in April... EUR492.04 return!! Call the Gards!! Like you say must be just prices loaded until they sort them out.

I see LAX is absent !!

I see ATH has made it , EUR200 return all in , not too bad .

BFS-AMS for GBP2 each way for April is not bad.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11234 times:



Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 3):
Was great to see oil hit below the $100 mark yesterday and is good news for EI and FR from an Irish perspective.

Actually FR hedged most of their fuel at $125. Quite a screw up.


User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27112 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11216 times:

It seems that Easyjet will be axing their BFS-VCE route , a mate just told me.

User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11184 times:



Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
Only ten days into September, we've already seen the loss of a well known and respected carrier in Irish skies, Futura, and its subsidiary, Futura Gael; initial indications were that the airline is being restructured, but there seems to be a general malaise about their prospects of recovering; hopefully they will be able to return in some form.

Futura will not return. Most of their aircraft are being repossessed by their owners at this stage.

Saw 3 Futura Gael aircraft beside the tower in DUB this morning....quite poignant actually seeing the collapsed carrier than just reading about it in the papers.

Quoting Danny (Reply 9):
Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 3):
Was great to see oil hit below the $100 mark yesterday and is good news for EI and FR from an Irish perspective.

Actually FR hedged most of their fuel at $125. Quite a screw up.

The price has come down as production increase recently. There is only so much they can get out of the ground. It could easily go back up in 6 months if the speculators get carried away agin.

EI need to loudly announce the reduction of their most recent fuel surcharge in light of the drop in oil prices. It will be good PR.


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11176 times:



Quoting Oa260 (Reply 8):
see LAX is absent !!

MCO goes from 4 weekly this summer to 3 weekly, and SFO is 4 weekly rather than 6 weekly this summer, so i'd say the schedules arent finalised, so maybe LAX is still being worked into the a/c schedule.


User currently offlineEICVD From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2173 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11175 times:



Quoting Bramble (Reply 11):
Saw 3 Futura Gael aircraft beside the tower in DUB this morning

The 3rd a/c must have been the one flying for Jetx, explains why their flights were messed up last night.


User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27112 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11160 times:



Quoting EICVD (Reply 13):
The 3rd a/c must have been the one flying for Jetx, explains why their flights were messed up last night.

I hope they sort it out and source another A/C. Im not sure what to do , if to book another flight out or just wait. I called Budget Travel but the girl who answered said that Futura was still flying  Yeah sure I guess book Budget get Budget as they say. You would think that they would know by now.


User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 978 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11139 times:

Ryanair had an ad in the Irish Times today crowing over the demise of Futura as a "high fares airline". Quite unneccesary, I would have thought, especially when it means jobs being lost in Ireland and in any case Futura were not really a direct competitior since they operated largely in the IT market.

User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4640 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11135 times:



Quoting Danny (Reply 9):
Actually FR hedged most of their fuel at $125. Quite a screw up.

Though they may have had the hedging as options. QF apparently have theirs with options meaning that the highest price they pay is what they hedged at, and if the price goes lower they pay the lower price. I imagine FR have done that - it would be insane not to.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11116 times:



Quoting Irish251 (Reply 15):
Quite unneccesary, I would have thought, especially when it means jobs being lost in Ireland and in

Totally agree with you



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineTonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1948 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11112 times:
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Quoting Oa260 (Reply 4):
Thank god oil is coming down. Someone said it would level off at around $100 a barrel. Hopefully this is true until the next panic. I'm sure the airlines are cautiously optimistic.

Here here. I plan to fill up the oil tank for the year now just in case the price goes back up again. Good news for airlines. Hopefully I will get my trip to SVQ in February for a little less than I was expecting.

Quoting Bramble (Reply 11):
EI need to loudly announce the reduction of their most recent fuel surcharge in light of the drop in oil prices. It will be good PR.

Definitely needs to be done. The last increase in EI fuel surcharges came as prices were falling, making it very unpopular. Now is the time to reduce fuel surcharges and have a seat sale. Get people back flying long haul again.

Quoting Irish251 (Reply 15):
Ryanair had an ad in the Irish Times today crowing over the demise of Futura as a "high fares airline". Quite unneccesary, I would have thought, especially when it means jobs being lost in Ireland and in any case Futura were not really a direct competitior since they operated largely in the IT market.

Totally unnecessary move by FR. FH did not in any way compete with FR. They were in a totally different market. In fact, they always operated on behalf of travel agents and tour operators whom MO'L made very clear at one point that he didn't give a f&@k about them, if I remember his description correctly.



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User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27112 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11101 times:



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 18):
I plan to fill up the oil tank for the year now just in case the price goes back up again.

Dont talk. Its got crazy. One good thing about living close to the Border. Heating oil can be got quite cheaply from the local entrepreneurs LOL....Here in the North you can get a grant for solar panels on your roof that heats your hot tank. A neighbour of mine got it and swears by it.

Quoting Irish251 (Reply 15):
Ryanair had an ad in the Irish Times today crowing over the demise of Futura as a "high fares airline". Quite unneccesary

Not a nice thing to do but what do you expect. Would love them to get a taste of their own medicine one day.


User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11050 times:



Quoting Oa260 (Reply 19):
Would love them to get a taste of their own medicine one day

Thats a looooong queue you just joined............................


User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 978 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11000 times:



Quoting Bramble (Reply 11):
Saw 3 Futura Gael aircraft beside the tower in DUB this morning....quite poignant actually seeing the collapsed carrier than just reading about it in the papers.

The three aircraft are:

EI-DOR B737-400 (FGL livery)
EI-DJU B737-800 (ditto) &
N977RY B737-800 with Primera titles over the FGL colour scheme.


User currently offlineTonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1948 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10973 times:
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Quoting Oa260 (Reply 19):
Here in the North you can get a grant for solar panels on your roof that heats your hot tank. A neighbour of mine got it and swears by it.

Yes that is a great system but unfortunately, I live in a rented house so that really isn't an option for me.

Quoting Irish251 (Reply 21):

EI-DOR B737-400 (FGL livery)
EI-DJU B737-800 (ditto) &
N977RY B737-800 with Primera titles over the FGL colour scheme.

Are these AC parked waiting to be repossessed?



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User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27112 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10946 times:

Thursday, September 11, 2008

Aer Lingus signals Belfast could act as a model for future

DAN KEENAN, Northern News EditorAER LINGUS has stressed its commitment to its new hub at Belfast International Airport despite the airline’s current review of operations and costs.

Corporate affairs director Enda Corneille said the Belfast base, which has taken its 500,000th booking three months earlier than projected, “should be seen as a model, not as a target” for the review, details of which are expected before the end of the month.

The new short-haul services from Belfast to Heathrow and to seven other destinations across continental Europe and the Canary Islands were performing well, he said.

Three other destinations are to be added next winter.

“We’ve more or less held our load factor,” Mr Corneille told The Irish Times.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2008/0911/1221039067419.html


User currently offlineAl2637 From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10945 times:



Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 16):
Though they may have had the hedging as options. QF apparently have theirs with options meaning that the highest price they pay is what they hedged at, and if the price goes lower they pay the lower price. I imagine FR have done that - it would be insane not to.

Well such a hedge costs more initially. At the end of the day, hedging is simply a financial bet against the person supplying the hedge, and they ain't going to increase their risk for nothing.

Quoting Bramble (Reply 11):
EI need to loudly announce the reduction of their most recent fuel surcharge in light of the drop in oil prices. It will be good PR.

My concern is that EI are not in a position to do this, the fuel surcharge is contributing so much to the bottom line, that if they were to reduce it, it has a direct impact on their profitability for the year.


25 Tango29 : Yeah its looking that way as all 3 aircraft are belong to GECAS which is a pity because the 737-400 EI-DOR was one of the first 737's Futura received
26 Bramble : A rumoured idea from Enda I heard several months ago was that EI would hold staff at current levels. All new routes short or long would be handling b
27 COEI2007 : How long does it take normally before the full summer schedule is released, and when is it normally released? LPA and ACE seem to gain an extra flight
28 Kaitak : Not sure I understand this; basically, he's saying it's a template for future growth (which is good); when he says "target", is he talking about seei
29 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : Ryanair flight FR208 from DUB-STN tail-struck the runway on takeoff today, oxegen masks were deployed and the aircraft had to return as a precaution.
30 Shamrock604 : I was at DUB when it happened, just near the blue long term car park, so I got a full view. It was the usual FR high energy take off , angle did look
31 Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus has been listed as one of four airlines that has negotiated new contracts on various incentives at MCO, the other airlines were BA, VS and
32 Bramble : I assume they are looking a their costbase in BFS and thinking of copying it in DUB/SNN/ORK. BFS has minimal EI staff, third party handling, lower pa
33 Dstc47 : FR Tailstrike The really strange news is that, according to RTE, the returned passengers were offered refreshments by Ryanair after landing in Dublin.
34 COEI2007 : I think the target is to have existing bases more like BFS, to benefit from the costs that BFS currently have. BFS has lower paid crew/pilots, and ch
35 Shamrocka330 : Regarding the Ryanair tailstrike today.... On the radio this evening it was reported that the aircraft reached 12,000 feet where it depressurised. App
36 Kaitak : A lot of conflicting information, it seems. However, I suspect that the AAIU will be treating this as an incident and probably doing a report on it.
37 Kaitak : Can you remember which aircraft it was (reg?)?
38 AmricanShamrok : Yeah I was watching the news there and passengers were saying how cold it got and how everyone didn't get oxygen masks. I was like "why would you need
39 EICVD : According to jethro's FR have ordered 4 more aircraft.
40 Rojam : Siamsa sa spéir indeed. T'is all fun and games at the moment.... The UK's XL Airways, who fly from DUB, won't, I expect, be an operating airline by t
41 Post contains links Rojam : A.Net
42 Kaitak : What's up with Jet2? Didn't know they were in serious trouble. It is sad to hear about these recent (and possible) failures; I had heard that SkyEuro
43 Tonymctigue : Not good news. Lets hope that all these carriers pull through. Airline stocks have been on the increase since oil fell below $100 per barrel so that
44 Post contains links Tonymctigue : Well Rojam, no sooner had I finished my post above when I checked the XL website and found this. You weren't far off. http://ie.xl.com/
45 Oa260 : Another one bites the dust, I had been saying this about XL for the last two weeks . It was only a matter of time. Next one will be more close to hom
46 Post contains links Sawtooth : Taking a long list of subsidiaries with them: XL Leisure Group XL Airways UK Excel Aviation Explorer House Aspire Holiday Freedom Flights Freedom Flig
47 Sawtooth : Route ended last week, carried 7000 in July. They announced they were stopping NOC and several long-haul routes in August due to "restructuring core
48 Oa260 : They were quite big also . Nightmare. This is the first company to hit the Irish package holiday market hard. This is not the last either. Ireland ha
49 Shamrock350 : Huge shame to see XL collapse, a friend of mine went to Greece with them in August and said the flights were very nice but noticed that some of the cr
50 Tonymctigue : You've got to wonder how many charter companies with spare aircraft are left. If I were a stock market investor, I would certainly buy shares in char
51 Oa260 : Yes its a shame. My collegue just came back on Wednesday after two weeks in Rhodes. She flew from BFS. One thing she did say was that they were delay
52 Lasno : And of course its not just pax that have booked holidays/flights with XL that will be inconvenienced. XL airways also supplied capacity to other Irish
53 Post contains links EICVD : Ryanair offer spare aircraft to the CAA to bring stranded passengers home: http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....r=08&month=sep&story=gen-en-120908[E
54 Post contains links Oa260 : XL Airways collapses leaving Irish passengers stranded Friday September 12 2008 There is bad news for some Irish holiday makers this morning after the
55 Post contains links Kaitak : Aer Lingus concludes maintenance deal with Honeywell for Components and brakes: http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=200809121228463389D Good
56 Post contains links Bramble : An XL B737 had joined the 3 Futura Gael beside the tower in DUB. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tearbringer/2850034083/in/photostream/ http://www.flick
57 JWMD123 : Whilst a nice gesture, strange that they have a spare aircraft and at the same time postpone the EDI base due to lack of aircraft?????? I am sure thi
58 EICVD : Nice pics Bramble but anyone know why there is a Thomsonfly a/c there?
59 Bramble : A colleague today states that if they go bust too I have a great shot to sell to a newspaper! Think its just there as it is on the ground for a relat
60 Oa260 : I noticed some weird airlines on the DAA boards last night . Maybe some repatriation flights. I hear loads are calling into the Joe Duffy show .
61 Shamrock604 : Kaitak, Sorry, I didnt get the reg... im not one who normally would have the log book to hand All I saw was the departure and arrival. There were a go
62 DavecFlyer : First Choice / Thomson have been picking up some of the slack following Futura's collapse. I assume this is why it was present. From acars the FR207
63 EICVD : Was out near DUB last night & saw a HV a/c arrive. I guess that was 1 of them. Heard a bit of the show myself. Two XL crew were on & only found out t
64 EI320 : Looks like AA are downgrading DUB-ORD to a 757 according to another thread. Shame to see another widebody service go, still at least the route isn't b
65 Oa260 : Why was that ?
66 EICVD : There was a woman who was onboard the plane that had that little accident yesterday giving out about the oxygen masks not working/dropping & the crew
67 Post contains links and images AmricanShamrok : Hopefully it'll be just seasonal if it is actually confirmed. I think flights originating in Chicago are sometimes cheaper than Aer Lingus but outbou
68 Shamrock350 : If only LHR was like that, there's so much space!
69 AmricanShamrok : I know once you get airside there's so much space and it's so bright, airy and modern. I've been i quite a few airport terminals and this is the best
70 Danny : Is there economic sens for this with 2 EI flights a day out of ORD?
71 Oa260 : I guess it makes sense for the moment. And if it saves the route then its better than nothing.
72 Shamrock321 : Blue Panorma are bringing XL passengers home from JSI tonight. For anyone whos interested OS have given their handling contract to SHP for ski charter
73 AmricanShamrok : It's just one flight with the routing ORD-DUB-SNN hence the SNN part is not nonstop. Last summer they operated two daily nonstops from Ireland: EI122/
74 Aer Lingus : Maybe not but it might be part of the packages on fees and charges that the airport offers international airlines as a furhter incentive.
75 F1eddie : Oh i was there in 02 on my J1. Nice to see EI with other proper airlines, nice desks and the likes. Last time i went to BHX i saw that EI had moved f
76 CallBell : I have to disagree.... T5 at ORD is dreadful. There are no places to eat airside and no bars apart form 2 or 3 Carts where drinks are served in plast
77 AmricanShamrok : Yeah EI was recently moved at ORD too [last year] up to the very top. At desks 1-8 is LOT, 9-12 is Korean Air then Aer Lingus. Exactly, just another
78 F1eddie : Oh right. Well it looks similar to what they used to have. Was this a downgrade??? So you presume they are moving to T2 when CBP is started in Irelan
79 Kaitak : Won't this be addressed when the new extension to T1 is open? (When will this be?) I happened to come across an aerodrome booklet for Dublin when I w
80 Post contains links LUPOR1D : LOL the TOLKA waypoint is now gone. Its been renamed LIGPO. No departures are permitted outbound via LIPGO. The next one down is VATRY, which is on t
81 BrianDromey : Im not really a big fan of Sky. Are OS still using Servisair for scheduled services then? Isn't it common to have dedicated check-in areas for all ca
82 Kaitak : Thanks for that info and the link. Actually, although the points like TOLKA and VATRY seem to have been removed, the SID seems to be almost identical
83 COEI2007 : And its better for EI's service to ORD! AA will offer 13 fewer J seats daily and less Y seats, so hopefully EI will pick up some of this business! Th
84 LUPOR1D : VATRY is still there What exactly do you mean- as in alphanumeric? like Shamrock six-five victor (EIN65V) or the like?
85 Aer Lingus : generally, from what i can gather, its only the last digit that's changed to a letter. for example EI595 DUB-MAD is "Shamrock 59U", "Shamrock 20W" is
86 Kaitak : Yes, that's it. Thanks for the info. Incidentally, there are quite a few reports of SkyEurope flights being impounded, albeit it temporarily, as over
87 Oa260 : Yes but very limited compared to landside. If I want something I go upstairs before going through security. The only place I like Airside is Butlers
88 Kaitak : I can never go airside without going to Butlers; indeed, I never even noticed that there weren't any other places. What else do you need!
89 Lasno : Must say Butlers does it for me too. There is also the food court upstairs airside.
90 Post contains links Aer Lingus : Not irish aviation related but possibly of interest anyway is this NYTimes article about the life of a flight attendant in AA if anyone fancies readin
91 EireRock : Just to update, Jet X have sent in another aircraft to cope with the flights that were carried out by N977RY(Futura). Already they have TF-JXF in DUB
92 Oa260 : So has the Tuesday DUB-REU flight at 8am been covered by the new A/C??
93 BrianDromey : There is also a food court upstairs with a juice bar, a separate Brassiere/Bar, Hot Food counter and salads/sandwiches. This area is part of the mezz
94 EireRock : IIRC yes, JXD will cover that one.
95 Oa260 : Indeed. Maybe if it does go to the wall it will make the OA employees concentrate their minds a bit and also the management. Thanks glad to see they
96 AmricanShamrok : I wouldn't think so, they got the same amount of space but when I arrived there for my flight the queue for EI was literally stretching out the door
97 AmricanShamrok : Just reading about how Alitalia may have to ground planes Monday because they can't afford fuel. Now that says how bad things are...
98 Irish251 : Saw them arrive and depart at Dublin this morning and all seemed normal.
99 Oa260 : Well not really AZ has been in a total mess for a good while now. People keep comparing OA to AZ but AZ is far worse and critical than OA.
100 AmricanShamrok : But it really shows how they are struggling when they can't buy enough fuel for one day's work. I know they haven't made a profit since 1999 and alway
101 EI320 : AZ have come close to the brink so many times that I've lost count but I think that we're finally seeing the end of them this time which is sad despi
102 OA260 : Your right its critical now , I cant remember it being as critical as now. Just here at DUB , place is packed and its 5am . There was a long que for
103 Post contains links Kaitak : Aer Lingus to make swingeing cuts; axe 1300 ground staff (effectively outsource them) and save €100m in costs. http://www.independent.ie/business/i.
104 CUSSkiosks : A little "friendly" rivalry is certainly evident... Upon pulling in to the gate about 25min ahead of schedule on this morning's EI108 arrival from JFK
105 Post contains links BrianDromey : Now that would be a massive change, Im not sure it would be for the best, either. I think what BD have done is a better move. They kept uniform staff
106 BestWestern : It would be interesting if someone could compare the staff costs at BFS to the staff costs at SNN, and the number of passengers processed by staff me
107 Irish251 : Nightmare??? Maybe you have been reading too many tabloid newspapers! I can think of worse things that could happen.
108 Post contains links BestWestern : Some news: Aer Lingus seeks to cut Shannon costs http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/st...D-qqqm=news-qqqid=35943-qqqx=1.asp The Sunday Business Post ha
109 BrianDromey : Apparently BFS has a cost per passenger of €60, where as ORK and DUB have a cost closer to €80. What is unclear though is if SNN were completely
110 CallBell : If they go ahead with this measure, there wont be an increase in crew. It is designed to eliminate the need for hotel in the USA. Though what it does
111 Pilot21 : I see this being a non-starter as you can't have the crew work an overnight flight and then crew the same plane back to the US, plus the current cabi
112 BrianDromey : I would think it is possible. The likes of EK, EY, SQ, etc operate flights up to 18 hours of duration, with just the one crew. Out and back on one cr
113 CallBell : That would only add to the cost, and make this idea even less attractive. Added to which you run the risk of crews delaying flights due to flight del
114 BrianDromey : I think it is debatable, the crews might not be based at any specific airport, for example and use non-rev privileges to get to the airport in questi
115 CallBell : Non rev or standby travel would only increase the risk of not getting to the departure airport on time for the EI flight. Thousands of crew commute to
116 Al2637 : It makes sense if EI are planning to operate flights from JFK/BOS to destinations other than DUB. i.e. BFS, ORK or any other new bases. These flights
117 Post contains images Irish251 : A very rare visitor seen at DUB today was this Bombardier-operated Canadair CL415 on its delivery flight to the Spanish Air Force. Also present was No
118 LatinAviation : I saw this plane today, as well, upon arrival from AGP on FCA. It was parked next to 3 Futura 737s (2x Gael and 1x Primera). Does anyone know what th
119 Tonymctigue : I have to say, I agree. Very poor selection of food choices in T5 at ORD. At least in the AA terminal, there is plenty of choice albeit a bit dingy.
120 LUPOR1D : There is a new restaurant which is sizeable at Shannon, airside.
121 Post contains links and images AmricanShamrok : Glad to hear it. Ah here, there's a McDonalds, Chinese, a bar, a "posh" restaurant, a hotdog place and a pizzaria. How much more selection do you wan
122 Legoguy : Hey guys, is it possible to fly to Shannon from Dublin onboard an Aer Lingus A330? I was told by someone that Aer Lingus fly from Dublin to Shannon an
123 Shamrock321 : Yes Aer Lingus operate 2 daily A330 DUB-SNN flights altough both are early in the day. Somthing like a DUB-SNN-STN-DUB day trip could be fun!
124 Kaitak : Yes, it is, but there's only two flights - one very early (6.45 or 7am) and the other, at lunchtime. It's not cheap, but it's a nice experience, espe
125 AmricanShamrok : You'd think people would favour Ryanair to Kerry or Aer Arann to Galway for what Aer Lingus charges DUB-SNN but 50 people used this service [EI124] wh
126 Eicvd : Could be being used by Jetx/Primera to replace the aircraft operated by Futura. I know they have leased a 757 from North American in the past.
127 Legoguy : It would be nice to fly on a widebody, even if it is only a short hop across the fields of Ireland. I've never been on an A330 before so would be nic
128 Humberside : Im sure doing a US-Ireland-US trip would be over the limit for crew hours. For example one crew can't even do DSA-PMI-HUY-PMI-DSA without being over
129 AmricanShamrok : Just looking at the Top 30 on liveatc.com and Dublin is the 3rd most listened to after JFK & YYZ...
130 Bramble : Some flight numbers have been altered so that it is the middle number that becomes a letter. EG: Shamrock1Golf6 instead of the older 15Golf. Dermot M
131 BrianDromey : You are right, I dont think it is possible for one crew operating a minimum staffing levels to do a transatlantic out and back. It is hard to say how
132 Shamrock321 : I dont think DM has underperformed at EI, the rebranding back to the real EI has been great as are some of the other changes he has made! The current
133 Humberside : I see now how with breaks one set of crew could do US-Ireland-US, though obviously there are major cost implications of doing so Of course EI could us
134 BrianDromey : I would imaging EI fare quite comparably with BD. The depth and scope of Diamond Club and Star Alliance membership must add millions to baseline cost
135 Smokeyrosco : I really don't see how this would work out cheaper, EI cabin crew have had more cuts then anywhere else in EI and now start at around 21 or 22k a yea
136 Shamrock604 : Damn Right Smokey... me neither!
137 Tonymctigue : Yes I saw them building it the last time I went through there. It has replaced the old duty free bar. Wasn't open the last time I was there but I hop
138 OA260 : Looks like everything is up for review at EI. Will certainly be interesting to see what they out source and the reaction that will follow. Yesterdays
139 JWMD123 : FR have announced a five week delay to the REU base and a delay to the 7th aircraft for BGY. All being blamed on the Boeing Strike.
140 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I think it's down to how small the base is and at the moment everything seems to be going well for them. I think it's similar in Cork, everyone seems
141 COEI2007 : Something like that, although we do get time off after coming in from JFK, so we couldnt operate on the tuesday! Then EI would have to put them up he
142 Bramble : DUB-DXB route? He was brought onboard with much talking up of his experience in the Mid East and his plans to focus on the EI longhaul operation. The
143 BrianDromey : Was this on the 725? The same thing happened on my flight in June. AFAIK that flight is operated by DUB based crews flying DUB-LHR-DUB-LHR-ORK and OR
144 Shamrock350 : Yeah, it was the 725 and thanks for explaining it. I thought it was nice having DUB crew they were good but they all seemed a bit worn out. When I sa
145 Humberside : They currently have to put Irish crews up in the US I take it? So if overall the cost of US cabin crews with Irish stopovers is cheaper than Irish cr
146 COEI2007 : I couldnt think of how it had been phrased! I think its scare tactics, and it wouldnt surprise me to see a redundancy package to get rid of more seni
147 Shamrock604 : Positioning before an operating flight duty does count as duty time. Under the new EU - OPS rules recently introduced, positioning after operating is
148 COEI2007 : Positioning before an operating flight does count as duty time as we are travelling in uniform etc. Otherwise we could be positioned to FCO etc, befo
149 Post contains links Kaitak : Although I agree with that and I think that the dropping of DXB was a major strategic error, it is arguably overshadowed by other issues; the fact th
150 Bramble : Point taken. Yes the launch of the BFS base while unpopular among some people has been a definite success for DMs tenure. Not a complete success but
151 Aer Lingus : as far as i'm aware this is already being done with Continental and one or two slots at LHR
152 OA260 : Just sitting here in LGW South Terminal. The transit system is broken down at the moment between North and South Terminals. Got an email from FR advis
153 Dstc47 : Well it rather depends on the yields also, and while it may be necessary to price keenly to build traffic, the level of competion at BFS may keep yie
154 Bramble : EI could jump on this and advertise that they won't punish you for your shopping or business needs.
155 Smokeyrosco : Probably included the employees 15% stake in that also.
156 OA260 : True. I think that if you happen to buy a few things in Tax Free and its not excessive its a bit much. BAA wont like FR doing harm to their ''shoppin
157 Tailfin : The one-piece cabin baggage has been in effect for example with Easyjet (and strictly enforced) for quite a while now. Therefore, I don't believe FR a
158 Bramble : EI state one piece of cabin baggage but allow laptops cases,briefcase smaller suitcarriers and handbags on top of this 1 piece. This is why their 'li
159 Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus should increase theirs to 10kg, before it wasn't a problem because they didn't have bag charge but now they do and although overall checki
160 Post contains links and images EIDAA : Afternoon all - back after a few weeks absence from the threads. Back from Delhi just over a week now and catching up on the various threads on A.net.
161 Tailfin : The one bag cabin baggage is not to do with stocking up on refreshments, you can bring 10kg of food with you or buy in WH Smith airside!![Edited 2008-
162 Post contains links Rojam : , lordy me, but what has Ryanair got against WHSmith ? Is a plastic bag from Nuance legit ? Do they now have a newsagent enemy of choice in each coun
163 COEI2007 : Did EI say when their big cost cutting plans will be released? I think its terrible that EI staff are learning about these cuts from the media; no won
164 Shamrock350 : Towards the end of the month so what is being reported in the media is purely rumours from so called "insiders" who have leaked the details.
165 Smokeyrosco : The last Monday of the month from what I'm hearing, I've seen a couple of documents with ideas and proposals not sure how final they are or even if t
166 COEI2007 : Head office was cleared out in 2003/2004 when WW was around, but those positions have slowly come back in, and there is a huge amount of ''management
167 Pe@rson : This thread is the Aer Lingus Fan Club's headquarters, so it's inevitable.
168 EICVD : Ah its not really, some people do actually get bored of all this EI talk & dont read some of them posts!
169 LUPOR1D : +1!
170 ThrottleHold : Isn't your back sore by now? That massive chip on your shoulder must really be taking it's toll on your posture.[Edited 2008-09-16 11:18:56]
171 Bramble : I was referring to the fact that many people may buy snacks in the shops before boarding an aircraft. or be attracted by the shopping availiable in v
172 Pe@rson : Didn't have chips tonight - had curry. So no chip on shoulder.
173 COEI2007 : 110!!!!!!!!! 110 managers and theyre cutting 1300 ground staff first!!!
174 Dstc47 : Thanks for that. The cabin bag rule is really getting complicated, with differing carriers having so many variants now that even insiders can be conf
175 Oneworld77 : And why shoudln't it be about EI? FR have added nothing to Irish Aviation except hubris, shame, customer hatred and a drastic diminishing of standards
176 Kaitak : I do think that 6kgs is a bit ridiculous for hand baggage weight, but again, it is hardly ever enforced (in my experience) and even if it is, it woul
177 Post contains links Pe@rson : In the words of one Irishman - Willie Walsh, BA CEO: ‘I've great admiration for Michael O'Leary. I think the guy's a genius. I don't like everythin
178 EIBoston : Have to agree. In any case the FR staff are much more concerned about turning around the aircraft in 25-30 minutes. If they started trying to check p
179 Oneworld77 : ....and? We're discussing the airline not one of it's employees. I'm sure you wish to stay on topic as much as I.
180 EICVD : Welcome to Anet Oneworld77 RE have been operating a/c from Swiftair & Aurigny in the last few months so I guess Atlantic operating for RE is quite re
181 BrianDromey : I would assume that this has something to do with an XL or Futura flight which was consolidated with DUB/SNN flights as a result of the respective ai
182 Pe@rson : I am, by mentioning the Aer Lingus Fan Club. If I had mentioned the Air India Fan Club... well, that'd be different.
183 BrianDromey : Ah, come on, thats not fair. We are also SWISS enthusiasts and Star Alliance cheerleaders.
184 Pe@rson : Speak for yourself.
185 Oa260 : Yes I actually noticed that tonight near gate 10 in LGW South they had their orange luggage sizers and its said ''No weight restriction within reason
186 Pe@rson : What did you pay?
187 Oa260 : DUB-CPH EI EUR67 LGW-DUB FR EUR15 Those were all in and the FR fare included the PB fee. Then I paid GBP15 for the lounge.
188 Toulouse : I fly EZY about once a month, a fine low-cost airline I must say and have NEVER seen the one-piece cabin baggage rule been enforced. I usually board
189 Styles9002 : LOL! Welcome to my respected users list Pe@rson. All the Irish Lingus Kool-Aid drinkers on here freak out when one criticizes the former national air
190 Post contains links Kaitak : Well, that's hardly fair; I think that there are no punches pulled here when EI makes a mess of things; we have regularly said here that the EI t/a f
191 Tonymctigue : That is really and truly disgraceful and as much as we try around here to post only relevant accurate information on our threads, we are in alot of c
192 Shamrock350 : Wizzair is rumoured to be starting Cork-Poznan according to another site. Aer Lingus couldn't make it work from Dublin but hopefully Wizzair can be su
193 Post contains links Oa260 : Unions warn of strike if kept out of talks by Aer Lingus By Anne-Marie Walsh Tuesday September 16 2008 Unions last night threatened immediate strike a
194 ClassicLover : Any strike action will only make EIs financial position more precarious, so they'd better be damned careful as to what they do.
195 JWMD123 : Well it looks like a deal re the pay talks have been reached. A 6% increase over 21 months with a 3 month pay pause for the private sector and a 11 mo
196 Smokeyrosco : Wasn't the wage bill for EI around €300m in 2007? that would be a cost of about €18m or so.
197 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : Cork-Poznan starts on the 19th of December, fares from €21 one way including taxes and charges. www.wizzair.com
198 Al2637 : In fairness, the national pay deal generally only benefits public servants, ex semi state companies, and banks. The vast majority of workers don't get
199 OA260 : Very true.
200 Dstc47 : I have recently seen the weight checked at CDG, BRU and most amazingly , at SFO, for hand baggage on EI services. It never bothered me but 6kg is ver
201 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus pleased with 42% share of Belfast-Heathrow route http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/br...elfastheathrow-route-13975323.html Aer Lingus just
202 AmricanShamrok : They checked the weight of our hand baggage at ORD last month too.
203 BrianDromey : While this is good news for EI, I am slightly worried about BD. EI have 3 or 4 daily flights, BD have 8. Brian.
204 Kaitak : With all the airlines lining up to buy out bmi, I think their future is pretty secure; Jet Airways has just joined the list, which now includes Lufty
205 EIDAA : Flying out to JFK on the EIN109 this Friday... OA260, any chance you can tell me which aircraft is planned to operate the EIN105/104 service tomorrow?
206 Bramble : Not a bad idea. 6kg is slightly ridiculous,think my work briefcase is 8kg(have camera and book in it). I would love the EZ rule of you pack it you st
207 Smokeyrosco : I believe they said they would not use it's share to block outsourcing within EI when asked about it, but that does not imply they know anything abou
208 BrianDromey : Good point. Im not familiar with Belfast at all, but how close is BHD to the areas where people actually live or work? Would BFS actually be more con
209 Tonymctigue : Wouldn't it be ironic if BD pulled some of their BHD-BFS flights and took over SNN-LHR.
210 AmricanShamrok : Globespan are to launch weekly flights from Dublin to Calgary in Summer 2009 on Thursdays from 4th June to 24th September in addition to Hamilton and
211 Oa260 : Sure I will know around 5pm usually when its loaded. Will post as soon as I see it. Where does this ''Irish Lingus'' come from? On the cruise ship la
212 EIDAA : LOL! Thanks! Just to confirm, it's the Thursday 105/104, as I will be on the Friday 109. You will probably have the 109 around 5pm tomorrow, but the
213 Oa260 : OK Oh no lol... I would be in trouble with my other half if I did that . REU is not negotiable . If the REU flight does not operate then I will have
214 Ire2008 : Some good deals on BA, friend just booked DUB-LGW-JFK then SFO-LHR-DUB for €492, Aer lingus try beat that, oh wait you cant!!! lol and garunteed PTV
215 Bramble : Maybr DM should try looking at these offers from BA to get some ideas or realise the need to update the EI product/service on longhaul quickly.
216 EICVD : Well there kinda is logic in it, you get to fly direct!
217 Shamrock321 : The 2 remaining original BD A321s in the fleet are G-MIDL (Star Alliance colours) and G-MIDC. The only scheduled BD A321 flight to DUB is BD137/138 wh
218 Toulouse : Kevin, Taking the following into account: a. Ireland is a small island nation with a small population. b. Irish airports are serviced by a very low n
219 EIBoston : yes that is true! but so is the fact the product in inferior and the cost is greater!
220 Tonymctigue : And of course US immigration preclearance. Good point. While we all would love to see EI returned to a full service airline, the simple fact of the m
221 Oa260 : I have to agree here. I would not pay to fly EI transatlantic with their current product. It is lacking. I would prefer to go Via LHR and take a carr
222 JWMD123 : Yes well you get what you pay for and BA with open skies are starting to come under some serious pressure on the LON-USA routes and are being really
223 Post contains links Oa260 : Ryanair to disclose its financial position Thursday September 18 2008 Ryanair is due to hold its AGM in Dublin this morning, amid on-going turmoil in
224 JWMD123 : With over €2billion in the bank, FR can just sit back and watch the carnage unfold.
225 Oa260 : Very true. They are in a very good position and people will book FR over other LCC due to their financial stability.
226 Shamrock104 : A little bit OTT IMHO - Everyone is entitled to freedom of speech - If you don't like it, I would suggest getting over it.
227 Post contains links OA260 : I was looking at booking flights and saw some great fares and combinations of airlines for various routes. http://www.worldtravel.ie/base/index.php Th
228 OA260 : ---------SCHEDULED---A/C-------------ACTUAL-------- DUBJFK ..1030 ..1300 UB ..1034A ..1301E So its EI-DUB for the EI 105 today.
229 Post contains images Shamrock604 : Styles, There is a very simple reason I said what I said to you over on the other thread, but you choose to quote completely ignoring the context of w
230 Smokeyrosco : Last time I flew BA to the US I'm pretty sure I had to pay for alcohol but I'll let you know for sure in about 5 weeks. Absolutely, This October trip
231 Pe@rson : Perhaps you ought to ask the Irish A.netter that I've met in person about what my views are. Hint: not as it seems.
232 Shamrock604 : Ha ha.... Pearson, all in jest mate. We have spoken before and I know your views are far more rounded and balanced than what you let on!
233 EIDAA : That's great - thanks very much Philip! Fingers crossed that will roll on into the 109 tomorrow. I haven't been on EI-DUB since 2001 and I'm glad it'
234 Ire2008 : Well in reply to everyone else, like yes obviously your entitled to your opinions. I am a leisure flyer only,Im only nearly 18! So.. My opinions on EI
235 Post contains links OA260 : Let our friendly crew take care of you throughout your flight. They're always on hand to offer you refreshments from our complimentary bar service as
236 OA260 : Anyone know why the ORD-DUB EI 124 was diverted to SNN?? It was EI-JFK ORD-DUB DIV SNN * FLT CONTINUES ----------SCHEDULED---A/C-------------ACTUAL---
237 Smokeyrosco : Yes I actually checked that before I posted and I don't mean to get into semantecs but that could mean non alcoholic bar service. Also taken from the
238 OA260 : Just off the phone with BA DUB office and they confirmed FULL bar service incl all alcoholic drinks complimentary. So you can drink til your hearts c
239 Smokeyrosco : Cool thanks for that, guess I was wrong. Not that I drink much while flying.
240 Pe@rson : Ssssshhh!
241 Gosimeon : Encouraging to see some good news coming from Aer Lingus in Belfast. The LHR market is one they know inside-out so it is no surprise they have come t
242 Al2637 : I've always been given as many free drinks as I wanted on BA (alcoholic and non-alcoholic) I agree with a lot of what's said about EI above, I don't f
243 OA260 : Well if its going you might aswell take advantage of it. I dont really drink at all but sometimes a Baileys after dinner on the plane is nice. Air Fr
244 EIEGAA : When I fly T/A my choice of airline rests soley on price. Any time I have checked EI are the cheapest option. I don't mind if there's no free alcohol
245 Post contains links Rojam : Nope, alas no champagne in Eco anymore. They've never offered Kool-Aid either. Then again, AF are far too classy to offer bottled US American pi$$. N
246 Shamrock350 : It's good to see that Aer Lingus are committed to routes, they had faith that Heathrow would improve and it did. Aer Lingus said they would be going
247 ThrottleHold : RTE News are reporting a helicopter has crashed in a car park in Bettystown, Co. Meath.
248 Post contains links OA260 : http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0918/ryanair.html Semi-naked protestor disrupts Ryanair AGM Ryanair's AGM has been interrupted by a shirtless man protesti
249 OA260 : I just put those dates into EI.com and it came up with EUR480.26 which is GBP381 approx. How did you get that fare?
250 EICVD : Thats exactly what they are. Anyone know the reg or model?
251 Post contains links BrianDromey : No airline from Ireland can offer "NO EXTRA FEES", ever. The only exception would be fully flexible fares which are fully changeable and refundable.
252 ClassicLover : Agreed - and EI are more expensive. I priced DUB-MCO-DUB in May 2009 and EI come in at around €650. I also priced it with BA - DUB-LGW-MCO-LGW-DUB
253 Oa260 : SWISS ! The only reason I would fly EI to MCO would be if I paid the EUR250 e/w to seat in the Premier seats with the PTV's. That would sway it for m
254 Shamrock350 : Well LHR isn't the only good route, APG and FAO have been doing well so ACE should also do well when it starts later this month. I hope MXP and MUC c
255 Post contains links Kaitak : More on the heli crash in Bettystown: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhqlidcwcwey/ Thankfully, no fatalities; pilot (only one on board) escaped al
256 BrianDromey : Dont even get me started. Definately my favorite of all airlines! You are not wrong. I dont travel anything as frequently as others, but getting to w
257 BestWestern : That you have a secret fetish for Michaels used socks? BA longhaul economy dont serve spirits in economy.
258 Oa260 : I know , If my flight does not operate I might cash in some miles and go LX J class to BCN . The temptation is high. I cant wait until the Winter spe
259 Smokeyrosco : Thanks BW
260 Post contains links and images Oa260 : LOL..... A pic of T2 I took on Tuesday night.
261 Pe@rson : Haven't you ever been told not to air your laundry in public?
262 AmricanShamrok : Totally agree. Aer Lingus are usually the cheapest and their cabin crew are the best. You can take that down now btw what's kool-aid? Sorry if I'm no
263 Pe@rson : And you can keep quiet.
264 Shamrock104 : Incorrect - They do.
265 Styles9002 : That is actually a funny comment! Having "drunk the Kool-Aid" refers to being a strong or fervent believer in a particular philosophy or mission —
266 Post contains links Oa260 : OK...................lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kool-Aid Im gonna email my BA cabin crew mate and ask what exactly is on the menu and what is n
267 Ire2008 : Im sorry but why do people take everything so literally, obviously excess baggage theres a fee, but with regular baggage I want no fee, I don't wanna
268 Pe@rson : You don't want to fly FR because they're so cheap at €0.01? Then why not pay €99?
269 Shamrock350 : I'd love to see Aer Lingus go back to being a full service airline and being more Irish but I don't see why they should. First half results: - Passeng
270 ClassicLover : Yes, but really... if I was paying €250 I would expect a J service. On BA, the upgrades on each sector (albeit to premium Y - which is worthless) w
271 BrianDromey : Fair point, but look at the lowest quoted fares on DUB-CDG; AF Fare, €163 EI Fare, €69.98 + 24.00(bag) + 7.50 (tea & sandwich) €98.50 I know wh
272 Shamrocka330 : Your very demanding for a 17 year old kevin!! I think you might just have to accept that your not going to find an airline in Ireland or Europe that m
273 Toulouse : No need to say "only"... we were all there! Certainly not always the case, and I know this from experience. Annoys me too, but hey, when you fly AF,
274 Post contains links Kaitak : Well, here's something that's going to put the cat among the pigeons ... rumour on PPRUNE - from a good source - that Lufty is interested in the govt'
275 Tonymctigue : I suppose the biggest factor in FR's sudden drop in profits is the gamble MOL made in not hedging fuel. Remember, before the latest increases in oil
276 JWMD123 : One thing in their favour though is they hedged the currency risk and forward bought their USD at a rate of $1.50 per €. Interesting article on FR
277 Oa260 : No arguements there . Alot more people should fly Swiss and experience them. They have the product 100% right and they still seem to make money . Mak
278 EIEGAA : If I book a one-way flight DUB - JFK on the Irish/UK site and a one-way flight JFK-DUB on the US site. I just checked again this morning and the DUB-
279 Post contains links Oa260 : Oh ok I get ya. You asked that before. Good idea and probably not one that is widely known. ---------------------------------------- Lufthansa soars
280 EIEGAA : This morning EI.com is showing them as being €404.26, so £319. If I book a one-way DUB-JFK on the UK site it costs €216.03. For JFK-DUB on the U
281 Oa260 : Book it before it goes up again. Its around EUR394 at todays average rate.
282 F1eddie : Hmmm you really dont like LH. Well when i flew with them it was grand. Maybe i was on a high as i was on hols and not really paying that much attenti
283 Oa260 : I was not 100% over impressed with their J class product. I flew LHR-FRA-JFK In J class and it was just ok. Also DUB-FRA-DUB and DUB-FRA-MUC-DXB-FRA-
284 Al2637 : Interesting point. I wonder could this be done in retrospect. Given the current shareholders in EI - Govt, Unions and FR (who have always claimed the
285 Shamrock604 : Boy this "Kool aid" thing really seems to have gained some traction!!! Kaitak, I table the motion that the next thread is called "Irish 35 - Drink the
286 Shamrock104 : I've had mixed flights with LX, agree their J product is good intra-europe but, the seats on their A330-200's are way out of date and seriously showi
287 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : A few weeks ago we talked about Aer Lingus having a real sale to the USA, dropping the base fare under €100 was one of the ideas we mentioned and th
288 Gosimeon : That pic of T2 is great. Can't wait until the facility is open. We will all have to book a flight from it on the first day! Are the government not com
289 OA260 : Very true. Hopefully the upgrade will come soon. Their new product looks amazing.
290 Toulouse : Don't worry Philip, not criticising LX. As you know I still haven't flown the "new" LX (was supposed to in August), and the old SR and LX were both g
291 OA260 : Yes hopefully you will get the chance again. You know what they say treat em mean keep em keen LOL..... Sure , mind boggles as to the topic . You goi
292 Kaitak : It has said as much, but then again, it also said that the purpose of holding onto the EI shares was to protect LHR access and it did sod-all when th
293 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus cost-cutting meeting continues http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/0919/aerlingus.html[Edited 2008-09-19 10:33:26]
294 Shamrock604 : Ha ha!!! I am totally taking credit for that Idea!!!! But well done EI.... bring on the Kool Aid!
295 Shamrocka330 : Just going back to a post above from shamrock604 in relation to the width of the new pier at DUB it is definitely narrower than the new pier D, which
296 EIRules : Im not really one for bashing specific carriers publicly but in answer to OA I'm afraid I found LH to be really poor. The flights to FRA on an A320 w
297 ClassicLover : True... how does that work anyway? Does the seat cost €250 when you do seat selection or something? Or do you have to request it by calling?
298 Oa260 : You can actually do it online at the time of booking now. A friend of mine got married last week and her fiance came knocking on the door asking for
299 ClassicLover : Wow, where do I sign up for a guy like that? Excellent... Perhaps I will consider EI across the pond. We'll see what happens
300 Oa260 : LOL.... The funny thing is its so unlike him which made it more of a surprise. She really deserved it, she lost her Mum to Cancer not so long ago and
301 EICVD : Im by no means defending Jetx here but I saw on the aertel one of their flights arrived 2 hours early! I think the demise of Futura really hurt them.
302 Oa260 : How was that ? Maybe they had passengers at the gate and got off early?? I dont blame JetX they have lost an A/C. I saw it on Tuesday parked with the
303 EICVD : Ive no idea to be honest, just saw it on this on last page "GX326 1435 PALMA ARRIVED 1229". Best thing to do would be book with FR, E66 not to much I
304 Shamrock350 : The Irish Paralympic returned home on Aer Lingus EI609 tonight. Nice to see EI bringing them home and there were some lovely scenes at Dublin Airport
305 Post contains links Oa260 : Yeah your probably right. Id love to fly Jetx though just to try a new airline but it only cost me EUR20 all in so nothing lost if I dont take it. An
306 EIRules : " target=_blank>http://www.a380delivery.com/qantas/p....html The only part of that aircraft that I like the look of is the cockpit. First isnt a patc
307 Shamrock104 : Yes, I saw that on the news. RTE made a point of announcing the fact they came on an Aer Lingus flight, as well as showing the plane arrive. I guess
308 Shamrock350 : To be honest I thought the report was the exact same as the Olympic teams arrival last month with Lufthansa, in fact I'm sure it was the same word fo
309 ParseBandit : 308 posts and Kaitak hasn't changed the thead? Where is he? Surely not asleep? Because as we know only Kaitak can change the thread because he knows m
310 Post contains links and images Kaitak : OK, OK, relax dude, I'm here. I'll do it in a mo. Just celebrating the 39th last night (and I'm planning for my next few birthdays to be my 39th as w
311 Post contains links WILCO737 : New thread has been started here: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eral_aviation/read.main/4151076/1/ This will be locked. Enjoy the discussion
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