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Air One Axes MXP-BOS Effective 10/5  
User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 766 posts, RR: 9
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

Link: http://www.aviazionecivile.com/vb/showthread.php?t=87739&page=4 (In Italian)

Yesterday's LF: Pitiful
:
MXP BOS Y 32/257 C 3/22
BOS MXP Y 126/257 C 6/22

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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3047 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5006 times:

Do you know how the flights to ORD are doing?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

No surprise there.

If they replace it, they should go for Miami or Toronto.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4837 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):

AirOne flying MIA-MXP would be a good move for them.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4840 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):

AirOne flying MIA-MXP would be a good move for them.

That's all relative. MIA-MXP is a far smarter choice than BOS-MXP, which was destined to be unsuccessful, but AirOne shouldn't be flying long-haul at all right now, especially not in the rushed way they did it.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4817 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):

Agreed, but where else would they fly to. I still wouldn't fly them to MXP. Rather connect in JFK or LHR. I do not expect Airone to be operating in the foreseeable future.


User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 766 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

01SEP
MXP-BOS 03C 086Y
BOS-MXP 09C 171Y
MXP-ORD 04C 075Y
ORD-MXP 06C 206Y

02SEP
MXP-ORD 08C 080Y
ORD-MXP 06C 165Y

03SEP
MXP-BOS 07C 072Y
BOS-MXP 11C 148Y

04SEP
MXP-ORD 07C 062Y
ORD-MXP 06C 144Y

05SEP
MXP-BOS 03C 042Y
BOS-MXP 12C 132Y
MXP-ORD 03C 080Y
ORD-MXP 20C 132Y


User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 766 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4776 times:

6 SEP
MXP-BOS 10+98
BOS-MXP 4+120

7 SEP
MXP-BOS 8+31
BOS-MXP 10+104

8 SEP
MXP-BOS 3+32
BOS-MXP 6+126


User currently offlineFlyMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4744 times:

Not looking too good in either direction (especially seeing Chicago is a Star hub). Maybe it will just take some time for the ORD route to mature.


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User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5010 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

Once again we are seeing what Alitalia saw.

Milan is just not a strong demand point for service from the USA or North America. There is very little leisure, and some mediocre business attraction to the city.

The AIrOne results speak for themselves, and that is why I also worry about Alitalia's transfer back to MXP, the hub that lost of billions of dollars for them.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Too bad it didn't work out for them here, but not surprising nonetheless. This is a seasonal route, and when you have few connections on either end there is no way that it will work. MXP is in the part of Italy where all the businesses are, but it is close to ZRH and other cities. I think AP should be careful with their longhaul ops. If they merge with AZ (which is happening, right? Or at least some assets from there are going to AP) then maybe we'll see BOS-MXP again, but only for the summer. They should go to MIA or YYZ.


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4382 times:
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Quoting Nycfly75 (Thread starter):

Thanks for the info !

Quoting FlyMD (Reply 8):
Not looking too good in either direction (especially seeing Chicago is a Star hub). Maybe it will just take some time for the ORD route to mature.

Is there such a good market between Chicago and Italy ?

Quoting Flyyul (Reply 9):
Milan is just not a strong demand point for service from the USA or North America. There is very little leisure, and some mediocre business attraction to the city.

Also, without connections, and with competition, these routes aren't good. I'm sure AZ is performing better from FCO.



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User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3717 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

Could it have anything to do with the early flight out of BOS? 455p or whatever it is seems way to early for anything successful that way...

I say this because it they are after leisure traffic, I feel as though people would have to take the whole day off from work on the day they travel because they would have to be at the airport somewhere around 130-230p...

Although Im sure someone will say that "LH has a flight to FRA at 425p...." but the demand is proven for LH hence the two daily FRA and the MUC in the summer

This is just me thinking out loud but I dont feel as though the timing is very good for the flight. Just my opinion only



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User currently offlineFlyMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4317 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
Is there such a good market between Chicago and Italy ?

No, I don't think there really is a strong O&D Chicago-Italy market. You would think however that with UA's ORD feed and that fact that AirOne is somewhat related to UA and Star that there would be enough feed for an A332 flight. Maybe not?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4235 times:



Quoting AirPortugal310 (Reply 12):
Could it have anything to do with the early flight out of BOS? 455p or whatever it is seems way to early for anything successful that way...

I say this because it they are after leisure traffic, I feel as though people would have to take the whole day off from work on the day they travel because they would have to be at the airport somewhere around 130-230p...

While you make an interesting point, we can't forget that leisure traffic is price-driven, not schedule driven. I don't think the timing is what killed it.



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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3885 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
AirOne shouldn't be flying long-haul at all right now, especially not in the rushed way they did it.

And we have a winner........!.......!.....


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3834 times:
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Quoting FlyMD (Reply 13):
No, I don't think there really is a strong O&D Chicago-Italy market. You would think however that with UA's ORD feed and that fact that AirOne is somewhat related to UA and Star that there would be enough feed for an A332 flight. Maybe not?

Thanks for the reply.
Could be, but probably there are better options for costumers from other markets. For sure places like NYC and BOS presents more options to Italy, and therefore they attract more people. And considering Air One website, it's route map shows 4 destinations in Italy (Rome and 3 more, closer to Rome), and some in Europe (which for sure it's better served thru UA or LH). Considering a better network thru LIN, and the need to change airports, it's product is far from being attractive, IMO.



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User currently offlineFreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

The problem with MXP is that it has very little leisure traffic and its business traffic (while quite strong) is quite different than business traffic to many other European capitals. Less finance, business and consulting and more fashion, design and creative ventures. This limits the US launch-points that MXP can be successful from, even with extra feed from UA in ORD.

Still surprised that this was canceled already. What will happen to the planes? Sold? Leased?


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4973 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3769 times:
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Not saying that AirOne should keep the route but when looking at the current loads, bear in mind that practically all Italy-US flights on virtually all carriers have rather low loads at this moment (just after the summer vacation). 40-50% load factors on westbound currently are the norm rather than the exception. Eastbound is better though.

User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3278 times:



Quoting Flyyul (Reply 9):
Milan is just not a strong demand point for service from the USA or North America. There is very little leisure, and some mediocre business attraction to the city.

I don't think it's about the lack of interest about the city business, but rather the fact that Milan is too close to many large european airports (ZRH, FRA, CDG...) so that connecting is often cheaper and maybe more comfortable, since you manage to get to LIN instead of MXP, and LIN is much closer to the city center, while MXP is far with poor and expensive connections. The cost of a taxi ride to the centre would buy you another flight.



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User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Does anyone know the reliability of their MXP-ORD service? Also, what are the Business Class loads like for 30Sept if i was to travel on Staff tickets? How does their on-board service compare to the likes of LH and SK for example on J? Do they have AVOD etc..??

User currently offlineIDISA From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2929 times:



Quoting Flyyul (Reply 9):
Milan is just not a strong demand point for service from the USA or North America. There is very little leisure, and some mediocre business attraction to the city.

I do not agree. Milan and its area has a strong demand to the US, expecially in terms of business. This is also proven by the fact that Alitalia cargo operates its 5 MD-11s from MXP and not from FCO. Also why would airlines such as delta, Continental and USair operates from MXP if there would not be traffic?? Don't forget also AA opened MXP-JFK some month ago...

Quoting Flyyul (Reply 9):
Once again we are seeing what Alitalia saw.

Yes, we are seeing that AZ is going a step from bankruptcy... It's a pity that when AZ flew from MXP to MIA, EWR, BOS, YYZ and ORD fights were almost all full pax and cargo. When these flights were shifted to FCO the final cut was given...


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4164 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Does this represent the first time in DECADES that there will be NO service at all between Boston and Italy?

User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2867 times:



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 22):
Does this represent the first time in DECADES that there will be NO service at all between Boston and Italy?

Well no since AZ runs daily BOS-FCO service.

It's too bad this service couldn't work. Seems like a 752 would be a great fit for the route based on the loads.


User currently offlineFCO110 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

The benefit of Rome is at least you can back fill with extensive leisure to get the loads up which I doubt is true for MXP. Booking ORD-FCO over the last six years never really saw fares below $1,000 during peak times. After October, though, traffic non stop dies completely hence probably why AA once again stopped full year ORD-FCO. If that is the case in Rome, Milan is by no means close in terms of being able to generate leisure volume. I know they dont pay the bills, but they build the base which then pushes the higher fares for the remainder of the load.

25 Flyyul : Then explain how US airlines overwhelmingly prefer serving FCO than MXP?
26 LAXintl : Yes in theory United should help in ORD, however Air One launched its North America flights this summer with less then 90 days notice. United only ba
27 Enilria : The DOT data I see shows Rome is the bigger market, is lower yield, and is much more seasonal than Milan. Rome swells in Summer and dies in Winter. M
28 Airbazar : I'm not too surprised this route is doing poorly but I don't necessarily agree that it's failure is solely based on lack of demand. I think the main f
29 Janmnastami : It seems that the two A330 will be configured with new Recaro seats during October; MXP-BOS will restart in November. Regarding the MXP vs. FCO war, w
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