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Azul News: First E-jet Painted (pic.)  
User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8560 times:

Hi everyone... I'm noe creating this threat in order to discuss the latest news and information regarding Brazilian newest airline, AZUL LINHAS AÉREAS.

1) As already posted in the old threat, first E-Jet for AZUL, former JetBlue bird, flew MCO-BVB-POA as ferry flight for painting job in VEM.... Although now there is already one photo on the internet of the bird already painted. I couldn't confirm the copyright, but it seems to be a Eduardo Milke's photo. WHAT A NICE LOOKING BIRD!! loved it...

Big version: Width: 800 Height: 533 File size: 265kb


2) Some destinies, even without anything official, seems to be confirmed both by rumors or clues: VCP, CNF, CWB, SDU. For example, their are hiring mechanicals for Campinas-SP (VCP), as shown on their website (www.voeazul.com.br) On homepage, click in "Trabalhe Conosco" > "Vagas Abertas"...

3) They are considering to anticipate their start-up to Dec2008. Plans was to early 2009.


Please if someone can add to the threat with more information and news, be welcome!!


Rgs,

Thomaz


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User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8420 times:
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Nice pic. Thanks for the update. Any news on when they are going to publicly unveil it?
Azul



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User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7895 times:



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 1):
Nice pic. Thanks for the update. Any news on when they are going to publicly unveil it?
Azul

Not at all... It's been very hard to get any information about AZUL...



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User currently offlineJmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7732 times:



Quoting JJ8080 (Thread starter):
now there is already one photo

Nice!

Quoting JJ8080 (Thread starter):
Some destinies, even without anything official, seems to be confirmed both by rumors or clues: VCP, CNF, CWB, SDU.

I´m really expecting that RAO is part of their plan!

Sds,

João Marcelo



Go Boeing!
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7707 times:
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Quoting JJ8080 (Thread starter):
2) Some destinies, even without anything official, seems to be confirmed both by rumors or clues: VCP, CNF, CWB, SDU. For example, their are hiring mechanicals for Campinas-SP (VCP), as shown on their website (www.voeazul.com.br) On homepage, click in "Trabalhe Conosco" > "Vagas Abertas"...

They are looking to announce SDU as their main hub and main base. Just waiting ANAC to confirm if they will allow planes up to 120 seats to use SDU to any place.
Sounds like Brazilian way to do business... change to fulfill Azul needs...



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7676 times:

Thanks for the great picture and information.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
They are looking to announce SDU as their main hub and main base. Just waiting ANAC to confirm if they will allow planes up to 120 seats to use SDU to any place.
Sounds like Brazilian way to do business... change to fulfill Azul needs...

This is not a good development and could bring radical changes to GIG. Planes of up to 120 seats would also include TAM and GOL airplanes and we could see drastic route reallocation between GIG and SDU.

I think Rio's Governor has to show his strong hand again and oppose such developments.

Rgs,


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7647 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
Planes of up to 120 seats would also include TAM and GOL airplanes

No, their planes are all larger.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
I think Rio's Governor has to show his strong hand again and oppose such developments.



Cabral actually supports it, since he's blinded by Azul's illusion of a base in Rio.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7644 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
This is not a good development and could bring radical changes to GIG. Planes of up to 120 seats would also include TAM and GOL airplanes and we could see drastic route reallocation between GIG and SDU.

Agree 100% with you Hardi !
Gol is now launching it's first GIG-MAO and TAM will begin GIG-GYN.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
I think Rio's Governor has to show his strong hand again and oppose such developments.

He's the big reason for GIG concession, lets see how he might act on this issue.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7605 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 6):
No, their planes are all larger.

This is even more scandalous. It entails that the opening of SDU is to suit the interest of Azul only.

I am sure that if the policy of 120-seat planes is approved for SDU that immediately TAM and GOL will reconfigure their planes A319/A320 and B737 reducing the number of seats and therefore being also allowed to operated in SDU.

TAM A319 in new configuration has 144Y, TAM could eliminate 24Y seats and therefore be allowed to operate in SDU...

Rgs,


User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7104 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
They are looking to announce SDU as their main hub and main base. Just waiting ANAC to confirm if they will allow planes up to 120 seats to use SDU to any place.
Sounds like Brazilian way to do business... change to fulfill Azul needs...



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
I am sure that if the policy of 120-seat planes is approved for SDU that immediately TAM and GOL will reconfigure their planes A319/A320 and B737 reducing the number of seats and therefore being also allowed to operated in SDU.

TAM A319 in new configuration has 144Y, TAM could eliminate 24Y seats and therefore be allowed to operate in SDU...

Were did you get this info Felipe? The info I had was that cities in study were PLU/CNF, VCP or CWB....

In case this ANAC mesure takes place, it will be a real shame for Brazilian aviation... SDU is doing quite well hadling only regional and the shuttle service, and GIG could be improved.

Agree with Hardiwv. Would be interesting for GOL and G3 to reconfigure (or block 24 seats) on some of their 73G/733 and A319 depending on the routes they would be able to fly, such as SDU-CNF, SDU-VIX, SDU-POA, SDU-FLN... Actually, G3 used to block seats on it's 738s to land in SDU before they got any SFPs, IIRC, they flew with only 144 or 148 available seats, similar to the 73Gs, but with a little more cargo capacity.



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User currently offlineJmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6922 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
Sounds like Brazilian way to do business... change to fulfill Azul needs...



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
This is even more scandalous. It entails that the opening of SDU is to suit the interest of Azul only.

Exactly.

ANAC, as an independent regulatory agency, should never allow that. If they do allow it, it´s going to be OBVIOUS that they are changing the rules in order to suit Azul´s interest only. The outcome of this move will be negative for the population, given that TAM and GOL will not accept it.



Go Boeing!
User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6863 times:



Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 10):
Exactly.

ANAC, as an independent regulatory agency, should never allow that. If they do allow it, it´s going to be OBVIOUS that they are changing the rules in order to suit Azul´s interest only. The outcome of this move will be negative for the population, given that TAM and GOL will not accept it.

Aquele jeitinho brasileiro!!
Till another fatal accident happens, then airlines and ANAC stays on the midia for a couple of months, do something, and all over again...



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User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1188 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6830 times:

Next to the Azul plane, is that a tail for a Cruceiro plane??? I thought they didn't fly anymore? Can my Brazilian friends clarify this?
Obrigado,
FLY2LIM



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6394 times:

How many ex-B6 birds are they getting?


"Reality is wrong, dreams are for real." -Tupac
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6317 times:

The photo was taken at VEM hangar in POA.

The planes you see are AR B737, the nose of the OceanAir F100. The one you are asking, the two B737s are Russia's KD Avia: www.kdavia.eu.


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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Alexander Tarasenkov - St.Petersburg Spotters



KD Avia is one of the many customers of VEM.

They are discussing the photo on Brazil's forum AeroVirtual:

http://www.aerovirtual.org

This is a great forum, in my view the best and most impartial aviation forum in Brazil (only available in Portuguese, sorry!).

Rgs,


User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5922 times:



Quoting Bok269 (Reply 13):
How many ex-B6 birds are they getting?

Don't expect them to get anymore B6's E-jets....
Actually is not clear till the moment if this B6 bird will be used in regurlar operations, as it is a smaller variant than the ones they ordered (E95s)...



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User currently offlineDougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5474 times:

As already posted in the old threat, first E-Jet for AZUL, former JetBlue bird,

I thought all their aircraft were going to be new birds !!!


User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5388 times:



Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 16):
As already posted in the old threat, first E-Jet for AZUL, former JetBlue bird,

I thought all their aircraft were going to be new birds !!!

Yes everybody spect/spected that... We don't know yet if this B6 bird will fly on regular routes or be used only for certification...



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5306 times:
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Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 17):
Yes everybody spect/spected that... We don't know yet if this B6 bird will fly on regular routes or be used only for certification...

Correct, and be prepared for some E-Jets without PTV during the first years of operation.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5233 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
Correct, and be prepared for some E-Jets without PTV during the first years of operation.



Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 17):
We don't know yet if this B6 bird will fly on regular routes or be used only for certification...

Has Azul been assigned an IATA code? It cannot be AZ, AU, AL..probably will start with a number like GOL. It could be 3A?). In case AZ folds until the end of the year Azul could borrow the AZ from Alitalia...

Anyway, my hops is that Azul really increases the quality standard of aviation in Brazil and domestic service in TAM is really low and very boring with the same sandwich, unless you fly in one of the routes where TAM introduces sporadic onboard services such as CGH-SDU.


User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5092 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 19):
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
Correct, and be prepared for some E-Jets without PTV during the first years of operation.

Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 17):
We don't know yet if this B6 bird will fly on regular routes or be used only for certification...

Has Azul been assigned an IATA code? It cannot be AZ, AU, AL..probably will start with a number like GOL. It could be 3A?). In case AZ folds until the end of the year Azul could borrow the AZ from Alitalia...

Anyway, my hops is that Azul really increases the quality standard of aviation in Brazil and domestic service in TAM is really low and very boring with the same sandwich, unless you fly in one of the routes where TAM introduces sporadic onboard services such as CGH-SDU.

I'd be really dispointed in case AZUL's starts flying without PTVs, as it is one of the great adds to the carriers product... As Hardiwv, I'm hopping they introduce a new standard of service in brazilian domestic market...

Regardinf IATA code, what about ZA, A9, or ZZ... Are these ones in use already?



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User currently offlineOneskyjet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 85 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

Azul code will be "AD".

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5018 times:



Quoting Oneskyjet (Reply 21):
Azul code will be "AD".

It makes sense, since Air Paradise ceased operations. It's funny that they still a website.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4954 times:
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Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 20):
I'd be really dispointed in case AZUL's starts flying without PTVs, as it is one of the great adds to the carriers product... As Hardiwv, I'm hopping they introduce a new standard of service in brazilian domestic market...

Their service will be snacks like JetBlue. The big advantage would be the PTV's. I do not expect any new level of standard for inflight service.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4940 times:



Quoting Bok269 (Reply 13):
How many ex-B6 birds are they getting?

None actually.. they are getting the delivery slots that jetBlue had and has put on delay. jetBlue is not turning any E190's back....



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
25 Hardiwv : Thanks. The PTV would be an interesting feature and will make Azul product stand out compared to competition. Even in Europe no airline provides PTV
26 JJ8080 : I don't think it is as too much for them to offer tasty snacks onboard such as potato chips, cookies, chocolate bars, etc.... The would be miles ahead
27 LipeGIG : TAM is hiring another company to provide design studies for all classes and they expect to present something new in the future. However it's a long t
28 C010T3 : Nothing was said about not flying with PTVs at first. The problem was only live TV, since the current system and antenna don't work in the Southern H
29 MCOflyer : Who does the 767 belong too? Hunter
30 Post contains links Jmbarros12 : http://www.airliners.net/photo/Azul%...r=3&prev_id=1398813&next_id=NEXTID Great picture! The livery is getting nicer after every picture I see. Sds, J
31 LipeGIG : Which 767, MCOFlyer ? They made the baptism and called the first one as "Rio de Janeiro continues Blue". It's interesting how they are trying hard to
32 Hardiwv : He refers to the white B767 on the photo (see first post). I could locate the other aircraft on the photo which are OceanAir F100, AR B737, 2 x KD Av
33 Jmbarros12 : Great news! Passaredo is the only airline flying SDU-RAO, with a very poor service. It´s a major upgrade for my partners in Rio, that comes to RAO o
34 Hardiwv : GIG-NVT and GIG-MGF is brilliant news, I could not want anything better! Go AZUL..I see I will become a frequent flyer of Azul!! On the other hand, y
35 JJ8080 : Nothing confirmed, but what I heard was that RIO operations would begin all in GIG till they get autorization to SDU, when they would begin to move o
36 Post contains links Hardiwv : Thanks for the additional information. At least NVT is under Azul's radar which is very good. The routes look interesting. I am surprised VCP/CPQ is
37 JJ8080 : But also think they should pay more attetion than that to VCP... Regarding NVT, it is a strong and growing market, that does not receive the proper a
38 C010T3 : I think they want to secure all the possible space at SDU and the best slots before moving on to VCP, where they will have plenty of time to develop
39 LipeGIG : Thanks Hardi, now i got. Seems to be PR-ONA which in fact is now at GIG VEM facility and will be painted to be delivered to it's new owner, an Ucrani
40 Hardiwv : 100% correct. ABX Air third B767 converted aircraft by VEM was delivered in December 2007. More convertions of B767s for ABX Air are only expected in
41 LipeGIG : That's one of my strong complains in Brazil. Places like NVT, JOI, RAO, SJP, MGF, LDB, CXJ, XAP are just mainly connected to CGH. Since 2000 i do bel
42 JJ8080 : There are over 1mi people living in Campinas, there are several other cities in Brazil, with muchsmaller population, that have more air services and
43 Hardiwv : Also you have to take into account that the government has big plans for Campinas airport which will become the major airport in Brazil according to
44 LipeGIG : The problem is that, the airlines focus so much in São Paulo, and many people from Campinas and surrounding areas like Jundiai, accepts to go to CGH
45 Post contains links JJ8080 : Azul to get up to 5 additional JB's E-190s...!! This morning, JetBlue CFO Ed Barnes stated that AZUL may get up to 5 additional E-jets from JB...: "US
46 EMBQA : Gosh I hope so... They'll be brand new from the factory
47 Hardiwv : Thats sooner than expected. INFRAERO's plans to transform VCP in Brazil's next major hub are for the next 30 years. They say VCP will become a the ma
48 Icebird757 : This was announced to B6 employees a while back: "We have agreed to lease two current E190s, and we have entered into a purchase agreement, which is s
49 PPVRA : I know we want to see new aircraft, but you have to look at this as a good thing. These two airlines are able to share aircraft back and forth and ad
50 LipeGIG : Well, unless Infraero shutdown Congonhas and Guarulhos (as well as the plan for a third airport), this would demand a miracle: no hub, no passengers,
51 Hardiwv : As a matter of fact, if INFRAERO does not develop another proper hub for Brazil the whole Brazilian aviation system will shut down! Rgs,
52 LipeGIG : Yes i agree, in fact we're on our limits right now. One thing they shall do it's to improve Rio's approach system not to have SDU affecting GIG's app
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