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YX Pilots To Hold Rally  
User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

So, this should be an inteersting event. How many people will come out and help them?

Midwest Pilots to Hold Rally and Press Conference in MKE

Milwaukee, Wisc.— Midwest Airlines pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association Int'l (ALPA), will hold a rally and press conference on Thursday, September 11 at 10:00 a.m. in front of the pilots’ union office in Milwaukee.
Why:
To protest the outsourcing of Midwest pilots’ jobs and the blatant violation of the pilots’ collective bargaining agreement.
When & Where:
Thursday, September 11, beginning at 10:00 a.m. CT at the ALPA office, 4915 South Howell Avenue, Milwaukee, WI.

Background:

The Midwest pilots voted for ALPA representation eleven years ago and obtained their first and only contract in February 2000. In 2003, the pilots gave millions in concessions to help save their airline from bankruptcy. The pilots’ contract became amendable on August 31, 2008. Despite the pilots’ having to wait eight-and-a-half years to address their contractual concerns, just four months prior to the contract amendable date, Midwest management again demanded outrageous concessions. Most recently, Midwest announced its plan to replace all but nine B-717s with EMB 170s and replace Midwest pilots with pilots from another airline to fly those aircraft as part of a deal with Republic Airways Holdings.

ALPA is the bargaining representative for the 400 pilots of Midwest Airlines. Founded in 1931, ALPA represents 53,000 pilots at 37 airlines in the U.S. and Canada. Visit the ALPA website at http://www.alpa.org.

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ALPA CONTACT: Capt. Jay Schnedorf, (414) 698-6577

Barbara Gottshalk, (703) 689-4100

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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3412 times:

I'll clear my schedule for Midwest's funeral. Sounds like it will be any day now.

Hawaiian could certainly use those 717's, although they'll need to reconfigure them. Personally, I don't think they were a particularly good choice for the airline as they didn't have transcon range, so YX never really could compete.

I understand the pilots' outrage, but in the end, the company is dying and this last ditch effort won't do anything except delay the inevitable.

Not the first airline we've lost this year, and sadly, it won't be the last.



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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1143 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3325 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 1):
I'll clear my schedule for Midwest's funeral. Sounds like it will be any day now.

Why would you think that? Because they just got $65 million more? They are cutting costs, and oil prices are lower then a few months ago when Skybus (not like it would have saved them  Wink ) ATA and Aloha all closed their doors for passenger service. Things aren't all that bad..



If Your not pissed, your not trying
User currently offlineRW717 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3324 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 1):
Hawaiian could certainly use those 717's

I think they would make a nice little addition to Alaska's all Boeing fleet. They would be a good fit between the QX's Q400's and the 737's.



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User currently offline73G From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 128 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3289 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 2):
Things aren't all that bad..

The famous last words of countless corporate executives and overly-optimistic disbelievers of the proverbial writing on the wall.

How can you possibly say 'things aren't all that bad' when a corporation lays off or fires well more than half of its workforce, cuts 75% of its core product (read: mainline fleet reduction), and brings in new product at reduced levels with contract labor (read: SkyWest and Republic) ?

A once-proud company with a unique history of culture and service has, through misguided management reduced itself to hanging on for dear life while degrading the very product it was known for by diluting it with a cheaper alternative and branding it as its own.

This isn't even an airline-specific issue. Many corporations in many industries have slowly bled to death in the same fashion that Midwest is. Its a sad but likely inevitable reality at this point. So yes, things are pretty bad...


User currently offlineJarhead0863 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

All I can add to this is good luck Midwest. It was always a pleasure to fly with you. If they happen to be bought out I hope it would be by AirTran. I've flown them once and they had exceptional service and I am pretty positive that they would hold a strong base at MKE if something like this were to happen.

User currently offlineJlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

By the time this is over, I think we might see Tim Hoeksema over seeing a cookie stand at the local mall. Since cookies seem to be the only thing he can get right. Big grin Airtran must be expelling a large sigh of relief at this point.  relieved  John.


JLB54061
User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

Ashame what has become of this now once great airline. In many ways, Midwest is now beginning to remind me of Independence Air operation, albeit on a slightly larger scale. While it's possible to shrink to profitablity, a virtually almost all outsourced-RJ operation is, in all likelihood, not the answer. I cant say what the answer is other than what others have mentioned, thats probably because there is no answer - the writings already on the wall. We will now have the following carriers flying on behalf of Midwest:

Northwest
Skywest
Republic

Unless you're exclusively flying the 717's, the Midwest brand is already down the drain. Even recently, trying to find a flight from FNT to LAX, the routing to LAX from MKE was to be conducted by Northwest. Thats fine, however, in all reality, we're already seeing an airline that is falling apart, routings being taken over by other carriers, and more routes being oursourced.

To me, the republic deal will be, and likely is, Midwest's last 'Harrah'.



Flying a plane is no diff. from riding a bicycle. Its just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -'Airplane'
User currently offlineJetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2828 times:

Well they are just shooting their selves in the the foot and sealing the coffin on the airline.
You would think if your going to loose your job you would work with a regional that could be beneficial bringing you mainline flying would work together as a team and put theirselves and the airline ahead of what a union wants them to do. This is a shame as they were a good airline and we all know wfter this meeting where this is going to go. Maybe even the union would have sense to realize they will loose members once the airline is shutdown but its all about the green aint it...In this economy the union should look toward the benfit of the guys instead of letting them kill the airline and put them out of a job...
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Oh well Im sure some regional will come in and service Mke with some beech1900,s to ord 3 times a day.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

I see E70s on ATL-MKE in Oct

User currently offlineVivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2634 times:

Getting word the pilots are planning on "marching" to the airport. Check your local media for video.

Craig
MKE



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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1143 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2517 times:



Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 10):
Getting word the pilots are planning on "marching" to the airport. Check your local media for video.

Craig
MKE

Correct. http://www.myfoxmilwaukee.com/myfox/...EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.1.1



If Your not pissed, your not trying
User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

YX has always been, for the most part, a regional airline. They now will just be flying their routes with a cheaper plane to operate. Going to CMH at the end of october on the 170 and we will see how it goes. That is UPGRADED from a CR-200. Hardly the end of the world on this trip..

User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Just watched the rally story on WISN-12. Saw a shot of a Republic...MD-80. Did not have the sound up, but it looked like they confused their Republics! How long has it been since NW bought the first Republic? Really old file video. anyone else see it on their 5pm news?

User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2321 times:



Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 13):
Just watched the rally story on WISN-12. Saw a shot of a Republic...MD-80. Did not have the sound up, but it looked like they confused their Republics! How long has it been since NW bought the first Republic? Really old file video. anyone else see it on their 5pm news?

Here is the link to the story on WISN TV Milwaukee.

http://www.wisn.com/video/17452589/index.html


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Amazing! they actually do not know the the difference!

User currently offlineN917me From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

OK.. and what do a bunch of pilots marching and protesting really going to do? I guess the pilots will get their daily exercise.

The fact is.. TPG is running the show with Tim as the "pawn/spokeperson" Tim does not have a lot of say. TPG & Co do. They own us, and we are a business. They will do whatever possible to get their ROI.

I just flew 3 different carriers, guess what,, to those general fliers, not the A-Netters, its the $$$ of the ticket is who they will fly with, not service.

How many of you hate NW, but still fly them?!


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1913 times:



Quoting N917me (Reply 16):
OK.. and what do a bunch of pilots marching and protesting really going to do?

Nothing.

Quoting N917me (Reply 16):
I just flew 3 different carriers, guess what,, to those general fliers, not the A-Netters, its the $$$ of the ticket is who they will fly with, not service.

And that is exactly Midwest's problem. They can not get a big enough (if any) premium to make it affordable to fly a 717 with a big lease. That is why they went for the 170. Lower cost. Make some money.

And I love flying NW. I get there, usually on time, and with little hassle. Can't say the same thing about DL and THAT has me nervous.


User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1873 times:



Quoting N917me (Reply 16):
How many of you hate NW, but still fly them?!

Isn't it possible to like both? I'm going for a little daytrip next weekend on NW ORD-DTW-ORD for what could be my last DC-9 flight. Gotta get on em while ya can, right?



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2777 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1839 times:



Quoting Jetjeanes (Reply 8):
You would think if your going to loose your job you would work with a regional that could be beneficial bringing you mainline flying would work together as a team and put theirselves and the airline ahead of what a union wants them to do.

 Confused

Quoting N917me (Reply 16):
The fact is.. TPG is running the show with Tim as the "pawn/spokeperson" Tim does not have a lot of say. TPG & Co do. They own us, and we are a business. They will do whatever possible to get their ROI.

If I were ALPA I'd have my lawyers coming up with any excuse they can to claim that the Republic flying is a violation of the Midwest pilots collective bargaining agreement. I would sue, and ask for an injunction to prevent Midwest from replacing the 717s with E-170s until a trial has taken place. This would likely push back the Republic flying for several months and force TPG to come to the table and work with the Midwest pilots or lose their investment.



It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems with just potatoes.
User currently offlineN917me From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1637 times:



Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 19):
If I were ALPA I'd have my lawyers coming up with any excuse they can to claim that the Republic flying is a violation of the Midwest pilots collective bargaining agreement. I would sue, and ask for an injunction to prevent Midwest from replacing the 717s with E-170s until a trial has taken place. This would likely push back the Republic flying for several months and force TPG to come to the table and work with the Midwest pilots or lose their investment.

The Republic flying is flying as Midwest Connect, not Midwest Airlines, so isn't this similar to the the SkyWest deal?


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