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A330-200F Deliveries Delayed To 2010?  
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

The A332F was supposed to enter service in 2009. But apparently, just like almost every other aircraft programme these days, it seems that the schedule has slipped, in this case to 2010. The news is hidden in this link (sorry, German only):

http://www.aerointernational.de/news...detail.php?objectID=17231&class=37

On top of that, as the USAF tanker competition has been cancelled for now, the A332F won't be assembled in Mobile:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-mobile-move-for-a330f-final.html


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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

I seem to recall that some lease companies that had ordered the 332F converted their orders to passenger frames due to the high demand generated by the 787 delays.


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3029 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 1):
I seem to recall that some lease companies that had ordered the 332F converted their orders to passenger frames due to the high demand generated by the 787 delays.

Ah, forgot about that. Good point. Then I assume the original plan was to assemble the first few freighters in TLS, too, because otherwise the swap from pax to freighter wouldn't have been possible that easily.



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User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2801 times:

I wonder if the A330F will be delivered as standard at the higher weights recently announced, it does give Airbus time to tweak the design just that little bit more.

User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2736 times:

As far as I know, it isn't delayed by Airbus, but rather by its launch customer(s), who have decided to convert their first batch of orders to A330pax, so they can lease them out at premium rates to the disgruntled airlines who have 787s on order and which are delayed by over 2 years!

As to the cancellation of the tanker RFP (which belongs in a different forum):
I was expecting this. After all, with only 7 of Boeing's 100 appeals upheld, there was no chance the KC767 would suddenly be able to overturn the impressive landslide victory of the KC-30 in the USAF performance evaluation, so the only remaining option for the politicians was to decide NOT to buy anything at all.

Talking about loosing face: first organizing an 'open and fair' competition for the best tanker to show the world how things should be done, then finding out much to your own surprise that according to your own Air Force, the best tanker is European, then seeing that the evaluation was pretty fair and almost flawless apart from some details, and finally learning that there is no way your favourite can win, based on the revised RFP, so that in the end you have no choice but to cancel the whole project because you really don't want to order from overseas... What a joke! Airbus is safe to receive launch aid for the XWB and any other project they start in the next 10 years, thanks to this  Wink

[Edited 2008-09-11 00:27:31]

User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2659 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 1):
I seem to recall that some lease companies that had ordered the 332F converted their orders to passenger frames due to the high demand generated by the 787 delays.



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 4):
As far as I know, it isn't delayed by Airbus, but rather by its launch customer(s), who have decided to convert their first batch of orders to A330pax, so they can lease them out at premium rates to the disgruntled airlines who have 787s on order and which are delayed by over 2 years!

I have some doubts about this. Flyington is the launch customer for the A332F. While it could be possible that Airbus and Flyington came to an understanding to swap some Freighter slots in favour for the PAX model.

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...tems/07_06_20_flyington_a330f.html

Flyington Freighters, the Reddy family’s air freight company have ordered an additional six Airbus A330-200F. The agreement signed at the 47th International Paris Air show at Le Bourget takes their total order for the aircraft to 12.

Flyington Freighters confirmed an initial order for six A330-200Fs in May 2007. The company was the first cargo airline to buy the A330-200F, and will be the world's first operator.


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Wings



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1916 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2562 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):
I have some doubts about this. Flyington is the launch customer for the A332F.

Yeah, but launch customer doesn't mean always mean first customer to operate the plane. Maybe they were further down the line from the beginning?

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2539 times:



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 6):

Yeah, but launch customer doesn't mean always mean first customer to operate the plane. Maybe they were further down the line from the beginning?

Mate, you sure need to wake up and smell the coffee.  Wink What does the article that I provided specifically say ?

Flyington Freighters confirmed an initial order for six A330-200Fs in May 2007. The company was the first cargo airline to buy the A330-200F, and will be the world's first operator.  Wow!

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Indeed, that was the plan, but since then, Flyington Freighters might have swapped their early slots with another A330 customer behind them, so this bumped up customer can get some more A330 pax first...

Remember Airbus isn't going to be willing to invest billions into building, testing and certifying a freighter version of their highly popular A330, just to build a handful of them only to see the entire production output after it converted into pax versions again for many months (or even years?) to come.

Once the production of the A330F version has started, it has to be kept going, otherwise there will be costly disruptions in the manufacturing process of those pieces which are unique to the F version, something which is to be avoided at all costs.

As such, Airbus may have approached Flyington Freighters explaining the situation to them and the bumped up customer (a lessor) may have waved a big check to ease their decision making somewhat...  

You know, the 787 is a game changer indeed, in that half the industry suddenly needs to re-shuffle their long term fleet planning, even before it the 787 had had its EIS, just because it keeps being pushed out in future! This could be just another consequence of the massive standstill Boeing is seeing on their 787 program.

[Edited 2008-09-11 02:26:55]

User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1916 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2480 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):
Mate, you sure need to wake up and smell the coffee.

 spit  Oops! Sorry Wings!

Cheers!  wave 



Only Those Who Sleep Don't Make Mistakes
User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1006 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2459 times:



Quoting A342 (Thread starter):
the A332F won't be assembled in Mobile:

This should work to Boeings advantage in the tankerdeal right?


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12877 posts, RR: 100
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2168 times:
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Quoting A342 (Thread starter):
On top of that, as the USAF tanker competition has been cancelled for now, the A332F won't be assembled in Mobile

This makes me...  hissyfit  The Mobile plant would have been a big win for the US. Airbus is going to ramp up A330 production one way or the other. With Mobile, thousands of US jobs would have been created putting together already sold A332F's! Now... I would find it ironic if any pax A332's/A333's (even with the different nose gear) were to leave the plant.  spit  Note: I'm not predicting A332/A333 Pax versions out of mobile. That seems too unlikely. There isn't enough Galley production capability.  Wink

Thought: GE was going to use their win on the tanker to improve the CF6 to where it would be very competitive versus the Trent or Pratt (right now its #3 on the A330, with Pratt now upping thrust part way to the original promise, the CF6 falls further behind as the GE engine has the highest fuel burn). WIth the tanker win... GE would secure a nice 'economy of scale' that its worth upgrading the engine: Aalmost certainly an integrated blade/rotor compressor, but which one? (It cheaper to do the LPC, but more effective to do the HPC.) If its both...  faint  GE must get down weight and fuel burn to stay on the A330.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 1):
I seem to recall that some lease companies that had ordered the 332F converted their orders to passenger frames due to the high demand generated by the 787 delays.

Not a bad idea. No one expected A330's to be in this hot of demand five years ago. No one, not even Airbus. Hence why they hedged their bets with a freighter version.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 8):
Once the production of the A330F version has started, it has to be kept going, otherwise there will be costly disruptions in the manufacturing process of those pieces which are unique to the F version, something which is to be avoided at all costs.

 checkmark  Its also best to keep the production rate fairly constant and high at first. The manufacturing equipment must be paid off in the first few years and that takes an elevated production run. After that its perfectly adequate to just maintain the production rate above the minimum.

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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2076 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):
Flyington is the launch customer for the A332F.

The very first link I provided says that in fact, Flyington might never take to the skies. On top of the late delivery of the A332F, the article mentions the fact that the estbalishment of the airline has experienced setbacks and several management staff have already left the company.



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