Singapore 777 From Singapore, joined May 1999, 1006 posts, RR: 3 Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4655 times:
Hi Guys,
I recently booked my travels form SYD to PER in mid October 2008, both flights on the 747-300s. I was just a little curious about their deployment patterns -
(1) I noticed that the 747-300s are now on the 1010am flight (QF581) from Sydney instead of the 0810 one as before (QF575, now an A332). However, the 1210pm (QF577) is now a 767-300. I always thought 577 was more popular than 581 so why does 581 now get the (arguably) better equipment?
(2) Is there any likelihood that QF581 may revert back to a 767 or a 737 considering that for the past few days, it's been a 737 on 581 but a 743 on 577?
Vhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1382 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4271 times:
It's really hard to tell whats going on with SYD-PER flights as far as equipment goes. I'm booked on QF581 (30OCT) which was initially a 743 but has since been rescheduled as a 763. I galileo timetable shows the 743 swaps around with QF581 and QF577. On my day of travel QF577 remains a 743 (looks like I choose wrong flight lol). But the the 743's will be gone by years end after that SYD/MEL-PER is supposed to be exclusively A330/767 although i wouldn't be surprised if a 73H sneaks in occasionally.
Vhq
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21465 posts, RR: 24 Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4069 times:
Quoting Cpd (Reply 1): If I'm not mistaken, some USA flights are now 747-338 - which may or may not explain why.
The QF website shows the 743 on AKL-LAX daily until October 26 when it changes to a 744.The 332 didn't last long on that route. I assume that was only intended to be temporary.
Selwoode From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3961 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4): The QF website shows the 743 on AKL-LAX daily until October 26 when it changes to a 744.The 332 didn't last long on that route. I assume that was only intended to be temporary
Dont QF only operate their 332's domestically - the 333's to Asia - I wouldnt have throught 332 had the legs to go AKL-LAX economically
Tullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1146 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3928 times:
Quoting Selwoode (Reply 5): Dont QF only operate their 332's domestically - the 333's to Asia - I wouldnt have throught 332 had the legs to go AKL-LAX economically
QF has a couple of internationally configured A332s that operate MEL-AKL-LAX as well as routes from SYD to Delhi which the A333 couldn't operate non-stop.
Nicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3874 times:
Quoting Selwoode (Reply 5):
Dont QF only operate their 332's domestically - the 333's to Asia - I wouldnt have throught 332 had the legs to go AKL-LAX economically
Only 2 A332s (EBJ/EBK) are in domestic config 34J/265Y, the other 4 are in intl config 36J/199Y.
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4739 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3849 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4): The QF website shows the 743 on AKL-LAX daily until October 26 when it changes to a 744.The 332 didn't last long on that route. I assume that was only intended to be temporary.
My understanding is that they will still operate the route for at least a while longer on alternate days with the 744.
Quoting Tullamarine (Reply 6): Quoting Selwoode (Reply 5):
Dont QF only operate their 332's domestically - the 333's to Asia - I wouldnt have throught 332 had the legs to go AKL-LAX economically
QF has a couple of internationally configured A332s that operate MEL-AKL-LAX as well as routes from SYD to Delhi which the A333 couldn't operate non-stop.
although it is more than a couple
Selwoode, The A332 actually has more legs than the A333... Airbus tend to do things a bit different number-wise... The A333 is longer and holds more pax however.
Jamie86 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 94 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3702 times:
Well looking at the Qantas schedules, it looks like the 747-300 go daily on the AKL-LAX route when they stop them on the PER shuttles, then on the 26th of Oct it goes back to a daily 747-400 AKL-LAX vv, good news for the crew =)
Selwoode From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3275 times:
Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 9): nly 2 A332s (EBJ/EBK) are in domestic config 34J/265Y, the other 4 are in intl config 36J/199Y
Thats a considerable downgauge from the B744
But would make for a spacious 332
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 10): Selwoode, The A332 actually has more legs than the A333... Airbus tend to do things a bit different number-wise... The A333 is longer and holds more pax however.
I realise that and I know airlines like BR operate them on genuinely long haul services (6000NM+)
Did they prove uneconomic on such a long sector - I understand it was the longest 332 sector in the world , while they did it.
VH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 781 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3152 times:
Quoting Tullamarine (Reply 6): QF has a couple of internationally configured A332s that operate MEL-AKL-LAX as well as routes from SYD to Delhi which the A333 couldn't operate non-stop.
Its actually SYD-BOM! They also use the 332 International config on MEL/SYD-PVG, SYD-NRT and sometimes to HKG from SYD!
The 332 INTL was only ever put on the MEL-AKL-LAX and return sector, because of maintenance for the B744 fleet, while they are converted to a 4-class aircraft. Also loads were not at a premium on that sector over winter!
Cheers
BZF
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Maxisno1 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3051 times:
It is a wonder how people find flying on an old 747-300 appealing to me. Whats more, I find it very interesting that people choose to fly all that way in an aircraft that probably barely has any entertainment (could be wrong!). Why don't people just fly from SYD on EK or NZ to AKL and then fly to LAX with NZ? Are the prices cheaper?
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5217 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2898 times:
Quoting Maxisno1 (Reply 14): It is a wonder how people find flying on an old 747-300 appealing to me. Whats more, I find it very interesting that people choose to fly all that way in an aircraft that probably barely has any entertainment (could be wrong!).
The B743s were completely refurbished internally in 04. I flew SYD-NRT in one in Dec 04 in Y and it was very comfortable. New seats, seat back IFE (not AVOD), a generally nice cabin environment, at least as good as the B744s.
Their is nothing wrong with with the B743s, from a pax perspective. They have been well maintained and modernised. Operating costs, maintenance costs and crew issue are another thing entirely.
QF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 599 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2585 times:
Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 13): The 332 INTL was only ever put on the MEL-AKL-LAX and return sector, because of maintenance for the B744 fleet, while they are converted to a 4-class aircraft. Also loads were not at a premium on that sector over winter!
BNE-LAX was increased to daily some time ago and there aircraft had to come from somewhere - you guessed it, AKL-LAX. So while maintenance and Premium Economy installation may be a factor, the main reason for 332s on AKL-LAX is so that BNE-LAX can operate on a daily basis.
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