Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
QF 747-300s And The Transcon Routes  
User currently onlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1015 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5546 times:

Hi Guys,

I recently booked my travels form SYD to PER in mid October 2008, both flights on the 747-300s. I was just a little curious about their deployment patterns -

(1) I noticed that the 747-300s are now on the 1010am flight (QF581) from Sydney instead of the 0810 one as before (QF575, now an A332). However, the 1210pm (QF577) is now a 767-300. I always thought 577 was more popular than 581 so why does 581 now get the (arguably) better equipment?

(2) Is there any likelihood that QF581 may revert back to a 767 or a 737 considering that for the past few days, it's been a 737 on 581 but a 743 on 577?

Thanks for all your responses in advance!

17 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5341 times:

If I'm not mistaken, some USA flights are now 747-338 - which may or may not explain why.

User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

I would say not, and soon all the B743's will be retired!

BZF



Ansett Australia - (was) One of the worlds great airlines!
User currently offlineVhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

It's really hard to tell whats going on with SYD-PER flights as far as equipment goes. I'm booked on QF581 (30OCT) which was initially a 743 but has since been rescheduled as a 763. I galileo timetable shows the 743 swaps around with QF581 and QF577. On my day of travel QF577 remains a 743 (looks like I choose wrong flight lol). But the the 743's will be gone by years end after that SYD/MEL-PER is supposed to be exclusively A330/767 although i wouldn't be surprised if a 73H sneaks in occasionally.



Vhq



"There you go ladies and gentleman we're through Mach 1 the speed of sound no bumps no bangs... CONCORDE"
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25303 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4960 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 1):
If I'm not mistaken, some USA flights are now 747-338 - which may or may not explain why.

The QF website shows the 743 on AKL-LAX daily until October 26 when it changes to a 744.The 332 didn't last long on that route. I assume that was only intended to be temporary.


User currently offlineSelwoode From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4852 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
The QF website shows the 743 on AKL-LAX daily until October 26 when it changes to a 744.The 332 didn't last long on that route. I assume that was only intended to be temporary

Dont QF only operate their 332's domestically - the 333's to Asia - I wouldnt have throught 332 had the legs to go AKL-LAX economically


User currently offlineTullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4819 times:



Quoting Selwoode (Reply 5):
Dont QF only operate their 332's domestically - the 333's to Asia - I wouldnt have throught 332 had the legs to go AKL-LAX economically

QF has a couple of internationally configured A332s that operate MEL-AKL-LAX as well as routes from SYD to Delhi which the A333 couldn't operate non-stop.



717,721/2,732/3/4/5/7/8/9,742/3/4,752/3,762/3,772,W,A310,320,321,332,333,388,DC9,DC10,F28,F100,142,143,E90,CR2,D82/3/4,S
User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4780 times:



Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 3):
But the the 743's will be gone by years end

Does anyone know what will happen to them (or if not what is most likely to happen to them?)



Everyday is a gift…… but why does it have to be a pair of socks?
User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4773 times:



Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 7):

Does anyone know what will happen to them (or if not what is most likely to happen to them?)

I guess they are worth more as scrap.


User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4765 times:



Quoting Selwoode (Reply 5):

Dont QF only operate their 332's domestically - the 333's to Asia - I wouldnt have throught 332 had the legs to go AKL-LAX economically

Only 2 A332s (EBJ/EBK) are in domestic config 34J/265Y, the other 4 are in intl config 36J/199Y.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4830 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4740 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
The QF website shows the 743 on AKL-LAX daily until October 26 when it changes to a 744.The 332 didn't last long on that route. I assume that was only intended to be temporary.

My understanding is that they will still operate the route for at least a while longer on alternate days with the 744.

Quoting Tullamarine (Reply 6):
Quoting Selwoode (Reply 5):
Dont QF only operate their 332's domestically - the 333's to Asia - I wouldnt have throught 332 had the legs to go AKL-LAX economically

QF has a couple of internationally configured A332s that operate MEL-AKL-LAX as well as routes from SYD to Delhi which the A333 couldn't operate non-stop.

 checkmark  although it is more than a couple  Wink

Selwoode, The A332 actually has more legs than the A333... Airbus tend to do things a bit different number-wise... The A333 is longer and holds more pax however.



56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlineJamie86 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4593 times:

Well looking at the Qantas schedules, it looks like the 747-300 go daily on the AKL-LAX route when they stop them on the PER shuttles, then on the 26th of Oct it goes back to a daily 747-400 AKL-LAX vv, good news for the crew =)


JAMIE
User currently offlineSelwoode From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4166 times:



Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 9):
nly 2 A332s (EBJ/EBK) are in domestic config 34J/265Y, the other 4 are in intl config 36J/199Y

Thats a considerable downgauge from the B744
But would make for a spacious 332  Smile

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 10):
Selwoode, The A332 actually has more legs than the A333... Airbus tend to do things a bit different number-wise... The A333 is longer and holds more pax however.

I realise that and I know airlines like BR operate them on genuinely long haul services (6000NM+)

Did they prove uneconomic on such a long sector - I understand it was the longest 332 sector in the world , while they did it.


User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4043 times:



Quoting Tullamarine (Reply 6):
QF has a couple of internationally configured A332s that operate MEL-AKL-LAX as well as routes from SYD to Delhi which the A333 couldn't operate non-stop.

Its actually SYD-BOM! They also use the 332 International config on MEL/SYD-PVG, SYD-NRT and sometimes to HKG from SYD!

The 332 INTL was only ever put on the MEL-AKL-LAX and return sector, because of maintenance for the B744 fleet, while they are converted to a 4-class aircraft. Also loads were not at a premium on that sector over winter!

Cheers

BZF



Ansett Australia - (was) One of the worlds great airlines!
User currently offlineMaxisno1 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2007, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

It is a wonder how people find flying on an old 747-300 appealing to me. Whats more, I find it very interesting that people choose to fly all that way in an aircraft that probably barely has any entertainment (could be wrong!). Why don't people just fly from SYD on EK or NZ to AKL and then fly to LAX with NZ? Are the prices cheaper?

Cheers,
Max


User currently offlineTayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

Qantas. Frequent. Flyer.

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5659 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3789 times:



Quoting Maxisno1 (Reply 14):
It is a wonder how people find flying on an old 747-300 appealing to me. Whats more, I find it very interesting that people choose to fly all that way in an aircraft that probably barely has any entertainment (could be wrong!).

The B743s were completely refurbished internally in 04. I flew SYD-NRT in one in Dec 04 in Y and it was very comfortable. New seats, seat back IFE (not AVOD), a generally nice cabin environment, at least as good as the B744s.

Their is nothing wrong with with the B743s, from a pax perspective. They have been well maintained and modernised. Operating costs, maintenance costs and crew issue are another thing entirely.

Gemuser



DC23468910;B72172273373G73873H74374475275376377L77W;A319 320321332333343;BAe146;C402;DHC6;F27;L188;MD80MD85
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 686 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3476 times:



Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 13):
The 332 INTL was only ever put on the MEL-AKL-LAX and return sector, because of maintenance for the B744 fleet, while they are converted to a 4-class aircraft. Also loads were not at a premium on that sector over winter!

BNE-LAX was increased to daily some time ago and there aircraft had to come from somewhere - you guessed it, AKL-LAX. So while maintenance and Premium Economy installation may be a factor, the main reason for 332s on AKL-LAX is so that BNE-LAX can operate on a daily basis.

Regards


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Qantas To Add The 747-300s On The PER-MEL Route posted Fri Sep 29 2006 09:27:21 by AeroplaneFreak
747-8, 787-3,-8,-9, And The Boeing Customer Codes posted Sat Nov 26 2005 02:01:57 by DLKAPA
When Will QF's B 747-200s Leave The Fleet? posted Mon Sep 23 2002 10:23:24 by United Airline
Where's QF 747, That Had The Accident In Bangkok. posted Tue Mar 14 2000 19:01:17 by Thai A330
Which Routes Still See 747-200s And -300s? posted Tue Aug 16 2005 19:00:35 by Mozart
Ocean Airlines And The 747-200F In ALA posted Tue Apr 8 2008 07:21:37 by WILCO737
Where Does QF Fly Their B 747-300s? posted Fri Jan 11 2008 08:23:11 by United Airline
American (AA), And The 747 posted Tue Jun 12 2007 04:57:30 by Arecibo
Pan Am 747, A300 And 727 Routes Out @LAX 86 To 91 posted Tue Apr 17 2007 05:15:08 by 747400sp
Continental And The 747-8? posted Sun Mar 4 2007 23:44:27 by CX747