Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 26 Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 9648 times:
..but operated by Air Dolomiti ,starting in February 2009.
Destinations served initially will include Paris,Madrid,Budapest,Bucharest,Brussels and Barcelona.Later flights to London and Lisbon will be added..
Those six A319's will be superseding the initially planned Embraer planes.
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 26 Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9131 times:
I would not absolutely assume that the planes will be LH painted - specifically if LH does NOT get involved in the AZ deal,since AF is clearly the front-runner so far.
I see Air Dolomiti growing into a full-service carrier (actually their service today is already outstanding..) and representing LH in Italy.
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 26 Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9028 times:
Should Air France really get the deal with AZ,the role of Air One will have to be re-defined anyhow,since they will become part of the "god company"..
So they become-potentially-a competitor to LH-hence I think Air Dolomiti,which is a 100% daughter of LH,will take on this role and grow fast .
AirOne never was part of LH- they only had a code-share agreement.
A350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1098 posts, RR: 23 Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8686 times:
That's great news. It shows that LH is serious about expanding in Italy and that they feel able to do this without taking over large flag carriers. I look forward to see their expansion plans in Spain
Cheers
A350
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LH470 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 56 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8014 times:
In my opinion the A319s will be operated by EN, using EN's brand.
In a press release Karl Ulrich Garnadt (LH's Executive Vice President) is quoted saying "Our new services from Italy not only offer familiar Lufthansa values such as reliability and top quality, but also combine these with Italian flair on board."
Since Lufthansa doesn't really offer Italian flair on board of their flights so far, I guess he refers to EN's on board product...
Ota1 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 394 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7930 times:
Quoting LH470 (Reply 7): In my opinion the A319s will be operated by EN, using EN's brand.
In a press release Karl Ulrich Garnadt (LH's Executive Vice President) is quoted saying "Our new services from Italy not only offer familiar Lufthansa values such as reliability and top quality, but also combine these with Italian flair on board."
Since Lufthansa doesn't really offer Italian flair on board of their flights so far, I guess he referres to EN's on board product...
I agree...Not to forget that EN already is the only LH Regional airline to operate under its own brand
Airevents From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 811 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7585 times:
Will most likely be the A319s that Germanwings is getting rid off (I think the former Eurowings ones, D-AKN...). What happened to the Embraers? Would be interesting to hear what the plans are for them now. Doesn´t make much sense to train Air Dolomiti crew on the Airbus just to replace those planes by Embraers months later.
Well, basically there are two options: either EN will operate them along with the A319s or they will be operated by LH, LX, SN?, OS? or a LH Regional airline. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Cricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2936 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7470 times:
EN is a fantastic carrier I flew MXP-MUC recently on a 146-300 and the quality of service in J was anything but 'no frills', for heavens sake they had J class! But I would prefer a 319 over a Avro anytime, though the high wing made for some nice photography over the Alps.
Janmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 824 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7470 times:
Quoting Airevents (Reply 10): What happened to the Embraers? Would be interesting to hear what the plans are for them now.
The Embraers should go to EN to replace some planes.
Quoting Airevents (Reply 10): Doesn´t make much sense to train Air Dolomiti crew on the Airbus just to replace those planes by Embraers months later.
Do you really think that LH will put 6 A319 in MXP and some months later LH will replace the A319s with the ERJs? Maybe you haven't understood that LH will base the 6 A319s in MXP, they will stay there and other planes will arrive.
VivaGunners From Italy, joined Oct 2000, 363 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7252 times:
Smart move from LH IMO, just before the new AZ takes shape.
Hopefully the Embraers will replace the 5 146s EN is currently flying.
I do think the E190 could be very successful on EN most popular routes such as the thrice daily Avro service VRN-FRA.
Also it could open up opportunities for new routes which were not feasible with the current fleet.
CX288 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 142 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6908 times:
Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4): AirOne never was part of LH- they only had a code-share agreement.
While LH does not own any equity in AirOne, it is nevertheless a pretty strategic relationship between the two carriers. In particular, AirOne does not have its own frequent flyer programme but is a fully integrated partner into Lufthansa's Miles & More programme, similar to LX, LO, OS etc., and even offering HON Circle benefits.
SandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3382 posts, RR: 51 Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6818 times:
Quoting Ota1 (Reply 11): they will be operated by LH, LX, SN?, OS?
Here's hope again that LX will get them. In fact, Swiss Aviation Training just took delivery of a brand new E190/195 simulator, complementing the E170/175 simulator which they've been operating for many years now.
The Avros need to go, and they need to go fast.
Why would OS get them? Last i heard, OS wasn't owned by LH, so why should LH buy planes for them? When are the first Embraers arriving? Will the Sn deal be through by then?
I don't really see these new Ejets go to anybody else than either LH Cityline or Swiss.
Ota1 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 394 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6754 times:
Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 17): Last i heard, OS wasn't owned by LH, so why should LH buy planes for them?
Right OS is not owned by LH, well at least not yet, that's what I wanted to express by placing a question mark next to it. However if LH succeeds to acquire a majority stake in OS then those Fokkers will need to be replaced quite quickly. They are just as old or even older then many of the Avros used by CLH and LX and they will not fit into the fleet...
A380CGN From Germany, joined May 2006, 21 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5436 times:
Quoting Fhgandi (Reply 15): I bet that we will see the former EWG/GWI aircrafts D-AKNF through D-AKNJ with AirDolomiti quite soon.
Could also be different, but this might be the cheapest solution under LH governance.
I doubt strongly that LH will put new aircrafts directly to these services.
Well, I'm not sure in that point...
If this information is correct, all of the D-AKN* are leased (apart from D-AKNJ) and I think they will be either returned to the lessor or will be subleased during winter and maybe used by 4U again next summer. (Yes, I know, the second alternative is quite "optimistic" ). As far as I know LH itself almost never operated leased aircraft... (why?)
Let's not forget, that LH has 5 A319 on order (as well as 14 A320 and still 29 A321)!
Why not use those new A319 for EN? The ERJ-190 would have been brand new also...
RAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4136 times:
Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter): ..but operated by Air Dolomiti ,starting in February 2009.
Destinations served initially will include Paris,Madrid,Budapest,Bucharest,Brussels and Barcelona.Later flights to London and Lisbon will be added..
Those six A319's will be superseding the initially planned Embraer planes.
What a great notice!!! Hope to see these EN flights operating in "C" and "Y" class. Business class seats needed since the demise of Alitalia in the BCN-MXP route and the decision of Iberia to pass all its flights to Clickair.
Actually there are three airlines operating this route (BCN-MXP) but is needed a "C" class airline!!
Hope to see soon the 319's in EN colours.
Regards,
Gerard
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25 Delta777Jet: LH is fighting against easyJet, as all these routes are already flown by easyJet. This is the first direct competition between LH and U2! Can LH compe
26 Stylo777: LH has very loyal premium customers in Northern Italy (Senators, HONs). They'll will help them in this race. Also the fact of C-Class availability is
27 Johnnybgoode: as LX is a one of the largest LCY operators, they cannot get rid of the Avros anytime soon. The EMB 190 is not certified yet and from what i know we'
28 SandroZRH: There has been talks of acquiring a few A318s for LCY or to keep a small avro subfleet. Also, these orders could easily be converted into EMB175s, wh
29 Delta777Jet: Stylo777: Have a look on the loyal Swiss customers in Geneve who fly regularly to London with Easyjet and leave even their Hawker 800 XP at home. Thes
30 Johnnybgoode: I have my doubts about an A318 order, and for a fact, it's the first time that i hear about it. also, the Embraer 175 will not be able to serve LCY,
31 Flyglobal: Yes they have: the Italians in the north come along with Germans fairly well and Germans like Italians, their first big summer vacation destination a
32 Stylo777: you should mail Mayrhuber and apply for a job as his assistant
33 SandroZRH: That doesnt surprise me. I'm almost certain that the 190 will be certified rather sooner than later and it'll still be possible to convert 195 orders
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