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IAH and Ike: will Lufthansa Make It Back Home?  
User currently offlineBoeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 955 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12903 times:

Just wondering if Lufthansa Flight 440 return to EDDF will make it out on time...??? It is still going to strong to Houston.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH440

Meanwhile British Airways Flights 195 & 197, Air France Flight 36, Singapore Airlines Flight 62 and Emirates Flight 211 seem to have cancelled their flights to KIAH today.

According to http://www.fly2houston.com/0/1128333/0/1906/

On Friday, September 12, 2008 at 2:00 p.m. local time all airlines will cease commercial flight operations in and out of George Bush Intercontinental Airport (IAH) and will not resume until further notice. No airline service is presently expected to operate at IAH on Saturday, September 13, 2008.


Only gives them 30 minutes to turn the aircraft in order to make the 2pm closure...

Boeing727

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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12581 times:

might end up being a divert to DFW


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12420 times:



Quoting Boeing727 (Thread starter):
Just wondering if Lufthansa Flight 440 return to EDDF will make it out on time...??? It is still going to strong to Houston.

Forecast winds for IAH this PM (Sep 12) are

Time Condition Temp Precip Dew Pt Humid. Wind
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4pm T-Showers / Wind 87°F 60% 72°F 61% From NNE 26 mph

5pm T-Showers / Wind 85°F 60% 72°F 65% From NNE 28 mph

6pm T-Showers / Wind 83°F 50% 73°F 72% From NNE 29 mph
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If I'm not mistaken, 30 Knots is the T/O wind restriction for a B744, so LH440 should be OK, as long as they depart on time, which if I recall is in the 4PM to 5 PM timeframe.


User currently offlineCMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 415 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12387 times:



Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 2):
OK, as long as they depart on time, which if I recall is in the 4PM to 5 PM timeframe.

I think that's the problem. IAH is closing COMPLETELY at 2pm.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6196 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12350 times:

I'd have to guess that it will end up diverting. One can not forget that even if they plane gets out, you have to worry about airline personnel and giving them adequate time in leaving the area. Personally if I was LH I wouldn't want cans, loaders and catering trucks around my airplane in case winds unexpectedly mix up faster the forecasted.

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12240 times:



Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 2):
If I'm not mistaken, 30 Knots is the T/O wind restriction for a B744, so LH440 should be OK, as long as they depart on time, which if I recall is in the 4PM to 5 PM timeframe

Thats all; really? I've seen RJ's take off in more wind.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12218 times:

There will be some departures after 2 pm this afternoon.

This is the type of flight for which they bend the rules also long as the local weather is good. It's schedule departure is 1600 - 4 pm.

I suspect the flight will turn and get out near 3:15 or 3:30 local time today.


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12188 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 2):
If I'm not mistaken, 30 Knots is the T/O wind restriction for a B744

You are mistaken. There is no 30 Knot restriction. Demonstrated crosswind is 40 knots. However, there may be a specific company limitation that is more restrictive. However, 30 knots, especially down the runway is no big deal.

[Edited 2008-09-12 10:53:55]

User currently offlineBoeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12178 times:

According to this hotline...

The Houston Airport System strongly recommends that customers not go to the airports unless they have a confirmed seat and that they have also confirmed with their airline that the flight is still operating. Please check with your airline for further flight schedule changes or contact the Houston Airport System flight tracking information line at 281-230-7000 or www.fly2houston.com for further information.

http://www.fly2houston.com/0/1128333/0/1906/

...and calling LH reservation number indicates that the flight will go out scheduled at 3:30pm local. Not quite sure how LH will do this with the airport closing at 2pm, there might be some exceptions.

Boeing727

[Edited 2008-09-12 10:49:04]

User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12040 times:

Well - the flight is 95 nm out descending through 20K - so it does not appear to be diverting.

For other hurricanes, I've seen several flights depart after the official airport closure time at almost all the airports on the Gulf/ East Coast. Normally they are long haul flights like this, but some are shorter range flights.


User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12027 times:

That is cutting it quite close, to ASSUME they can get out by 4. What if there is a mechanical delay, a medical, an unruly passenger, a flow control across the Atlantic...etc...

I would think it woudl be safer to divert.


User currently offlineType-Rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11977 times:

Actually it's still nice outside up near IAH. It's mostly cloudy but the winds aren't that bad. I would call the winds one step above light and variable. I'd take a C-150 out in this with no problem.
I don't think that the severe weather will reach IAH til maybe 10:00pm tonight. So LH should be safe. I would think that the airport management would keep some people on hand to ensure that all aircraft on the field can get out.


User currently offlineORD2PHL From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11942 times:

I'd be more concerned what they are going to do with the crew from the inbound? Surely they are not going to just leave them in IAH with the storm on its way?




ORD2PHL


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11919 times:



Quoting CMB320 (Reply 3):

I think that's the problem. IAH is closing COMPLETELY at 2pm.

That certainly changes things a bit!

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 7):
Demonstrated crosswind is 40 knots.

Well, then LH440 should be just fine. I wonder why they're closing IAH this early or if its going to be closed only for landings.


User currently onlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11918 times:



Quoting ORD2PHL (Reply 12):
I'd be more concerned what they are going to do with the crew from the inbound? Surely they are not going to just leave them in IAH with the storm on its way?

That's a really good point. I was surprised that LH was flying today too. Surprisingly, it's not totally full. I thought it would be with people booked tomorrow and from other airlines that have canceled.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11898 times:

From the Flightaware data - it looks like KLM decided to not fly to Houston today - is that correct?

The World Airways / Sonair MD-11ER from Luanda went into Atlanta today rather than Houston. It is normally 20-30 minutes behind the DLH flight - but landed in ATL at 1309 CDT.

[Edited 2008-09-12 11:29:15]

User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11809 times:



Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 13):
I wonder why they're closing IAH this early or if its going to be closed only for landings.

They close the airport early for passengers - to keep several hundred, maybe thousands, of people from being at the airport long before the weather goes bad. By closing the airport, the management helps the airlines prepare - and helps the airlines let their employees take care of their family and needs in a timely manner.

Flight operations may continue right up until storm strength winds hit - sometimes past that point. Provided thunderstorms and lightning do not force the FAA to evacuate the control towers. The FAA has probably refused to accept flightplans which show landings after 1400 local today.

They also are probably refusing to accept departure flightplans after 1400 except on a case by case basis.

By 1700-1900 local past experience would indicate only emergency government, military and medical flights would be allowed - and I mean real emergencies only.

There will almost certainly be FAA folks on duty continually - but very few. Mainly to get things back in operation after the storm passes - but they could handle emergencies.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11761 times:

That DLH flight appears to be the latest / last arrival at IAH - 31 minutes ago - no arrivals since on Flightaware.

There does appear to be a C414 inbound from DAL - it is a Lifeguard flight diverted from HOU to IAH.

12 departures in the same time period.


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11705 times:

LH 441 will depart for FRA, and on time, according to fly2houston.com



Now THAT's Teutonic efficiency and fortitude at its best!

[Edited 2008-09-12 11:55:31]

[Edited 2008-09-12 12:16:55]

User currently offlineSWABrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11700 times:

Also, don't forget that the airport can't accept outbound passengers unless TSA Agents are on duty. Plus, you need other airport staff besides the FAA. You need fuelers.

User currently offlineBoeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11682 times:



Quoting LHUSA (Reply 14):


Quoting ORD2PHL (Reply 12):
I'd be more concerned what they are going to do with the crew from the inbound? Surely they are not going to just leave them in IAH with the storm on its way?

That's a really good point. I was surprised that LH was flying today too. Surprisingly, it's not totally full. I thought it would be with people booked tomorrow and from other airlines that have canceled.

Tomorrow KIAH will closed as well. Todays crew either will just fly as passengers back to EDDF (probably not on duty) or stay bunkered in their hotel rooms for 2 nights until Sundays flight. Probably no food available though, they better get something to go from the aircraft...

Boeing727


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11612 times:

A Lifeguard Cessna 340 from DAL landed at IAH at 1355 - the airport is not posted as officially closed yet. The latest was Sugarland at 1347 local.

Quote:
Due to IKE, the Southeast Texas Regional Airport (BPT) was closed as of Sep 12 at 09:00 AM CST. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is not known.

Due to IKE, the GLS airport was closed as of Sep 12 at 14:00 UTC. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is not known.

Due to IKE, the SGR airport was closed as of Sep 12 at 18:47 UTC. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Sep 15 at 20:00 UTC.



User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11585 times:

Lets not blow (pun intended ) this storm out of proportion! By the time it gets up to Humble (far NW corner of the Greater Houston area where IAH is located) Ike will mostly be a tropical breeze.

And for the benefit of the rest of the world, The the "H" in Humble is silent as pronounced by the denizens of Houston, many of whom also drop the "H" in Houston (Yewstn)

[Edited 2008-09-12 12:14:25]

[Edited 2008-09-12 12:23:35]

User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11537 times:

BTA4933 to MMIO left IAH at 1405 local Houston time.

Skywest is the last so far - a CRJ9 arriving from ATL at 1304 and leaving IAH for ATL at 1408

The DLH bird will be behind that.

EDIT - the Lifeguard Cessna 414 got out at 1419 headed for KFTW - Fort Worth Meacham

COA146 - a B738 left at 1416 for ORD - might be the aircraft which came in from TTPP at 1300.

[Edited 2008-09-12 12:24:32]

[Edited 2008-09-12 12:29:41]

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11414 times:



Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 22):
Lets not blow (pun intended ) this storm out of proportion! By the time it gets up to Humble (far NW corner of the Greater Houston area where IAH is located) Ike will mostly be a tropical breeze.

It will be a tropical breeze up in Dallas. Humble is going to get hit hard. I don't think you're going to impress anyone by downplaying a major natural disaster...


25 Gsosbee : Let's hope, but the NWS is calling for Hurricane strength winds as far north as Waco and Tropical Storm winds in Dallas and the northeastern part of
26 Post contains images Boeing747_600 : Allow me to give you just a few examples of Major Natural Disasters: Meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs Eruption of Pompeii Tsunami (Indian Ocean De
27 RFields5421 : Beaumont - KBPT - 121953Z AUTO 07029G44KT (1453 CDT) 29 kts with 44 kts gusts Lake Charles - KLCH -121953Z AUTO 08023G33KT Galveston - System is off l
28 Post contains links Boeing727 : I would definitely call Katrina a natural disaster... According to Wikipedia.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_katrina At least 1,836 people
29 Flyingfool : KLM has cancelled their 2 AMS-IAH flights for today (KL661/663). CO has 2 arrivals from IAH at AMS today (CO058/046), but this ac's will stay at AMS u
30 RFields5421 : COA1548 - B738 - departed IAH at 1503 I don't think the FAA will accept flight plans for IAH for Saturday - but who knows. The weather guessers say th
31 Boeing747_600 : Indeed. My list was far from comprehensive. But Tropical Breeze Ike ?! C'mon
32 Post contains links RFields5421 : If you haven't seen this http://www.stormpulse.com/ it's really cool. Click on the dots on the storm track and look at the area to be hit by winds of
33 Aggieflyboi04 : Perrty sure there won't be, as the airport is more then likely going to be closed until Sunday
34 Boeing747_600 : Damn - do you realise what sort of damage that will do the hairdos of our well-heeled high soceity womenfolk?! Storms like this should stay in Housto
35 RFields5421 : The DLH B744 is out of KIAH DLH 441 departed at 15:19 - 1 hr 48 min wheels down to wheels up BTA 4930 - a ERJ145 departed IAH at 1522 for SHV[Edited 2
36 SeaBosDca : Well done to LH and IAH staff.
37 Viajero : Just checked the IAH-MEX flights through the HAS website. Apparently no exceptions here. CO1524 scheduled out at 1420 hrs. shows cancelled. Not sure w
38 RFields5421 : According to the FAA - the airports are not closed yet - but the FAA will not accept accept a flight plan - issue clearance to fly to those airports.
39 Chumley : Just noticed in the USAToday travel section that operations at both IAH and HOU are shown with a nice green dot as "Normal". This is powered by Flight
40 LH431 : Wow! Impressive! 07:16h is the estimated time of arrival in FRA tomorrow morning, almost 1h ahead of schedule. So what is with the crew from the inbo
41 DfwRevolution : The National Hurricane Center considers anything Cat 3 and higher a "major" hurricane. Ike is expected to peak at that intensity before making landfa
42 FlyLKU : Heck, I've landed a 172 in 26knots (down the runway), and as someone above pointed out above, even the demonstrated crosswind is higher in the 747. I
43 YULWinterSkies : Let's keep in mind this aircraft probably got a special attention since very few aircraft were present while most staff was probably still on duty, +
44 SPREE34 : They can't refuse a properly filed flight plan. Even if an airport is closed, a clearance, and in fact an approach clearance can be issued to the fie
45 Boeing747_600 : I dont like Houston - Too much concrete and too many billboards!
46 102IAHexpress : Humble and IAH in far NW corner of greater Houston, Huh? Now i see why you have been a member for almost 9 years yet have a RR of 0.
47 AirframeAS : I don't think anyone here is that stupid, SWABrian. We all know that...it is pretty beyond obvious.
48 Boeing747_600 : I dont take part in beauty paegents.
49 LASOctoberB6 : I don't know why I thought DLH440/441 was operated by an A345..
50 Boeing727 : This was very impressive I think; Lufthansa was the only international airline from Europe/Asia attempting it in/out and look ingenious. Their dispatc
51 Lexy : You are seriously in need of help. What you posted there are once in a lifetime events for the most part. I doubt you, from your comfy home in Dallas
52 Boeing727 : I dont think LH has any A345s, but this flight used to be an A346. Boeing727
53 Drerx7 : Especially since they don't have 345s - now they use to run the route with a 346 but that switched this summer to the 744.
54 RFields5421 : Because of it's position relative to the storm's motion - IAH is getting stronger winds than HOU. KHOU 130053Z 02029G45KT 10SM FEW020 BKN035 BKN130 BK
55 CFMitch56 : Anyone know how many aircraft are still there on the ground, if any? In situations like this, do MX folks do whatever they can (short of operating the
56 AznMadSci : All aircraft at IAH and HOU, including GA planes have been evacuated from both airports. Ellington Field is currently housing military planes, such as
57 Boeing747_600 : Thank you. And I could make the case that you are seriously in need of perspective. I was responding to what a previous poster termed a "major natura
58 OH-LGA : My uncle was on that LH flight there to FRA, heading home to HEL. He was booked for Saturday like you had suggested but with Ike bearing down the cor
59 FlyDeltaJets87 : Hmmmm.....If my history serves me correctly, this is not the first time an Ike has caused problems for the Germans.
60 Bmacleod : Ike is moving quickly, IAH should be up and running by early tommorow if not late tonight. Also assuming the runways are clear and power wasn't disrup
61 DiscoverCSG : "Ike" was the nickname of Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, Allied Supreme Commander in Europe during World War II - hence the reference to causing trouble
62 Bmacleod : Thanks for that info...of course fighting a monster continent-eating dictator and getting diverted due to a hurricane are completely separate except
63 RFields5421 : HOU has received at least one relief helicopter flight today My son a couple miles south of HOU says he's seen a C-130 come over low on the normal app
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