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F9 To Charge $15 For First Checked Bag Nov 1  
User currently offlineF9darol From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 27 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4248 times:

Looks like Frontier will join the $15 first bag club. Effective November 1.

DENVER, Sept. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- Frontier Airlines today announced it will
begin charging a $15 fee for a first checked bag, effective for travel on or
after Nov. 1, 2008.

Frontier's EarlyReturns® Summit and Ascent members, as well as active-duty
military personnel and AirTran Airways A+ Rewards Elite members traveling on
Frontier Airlines, will not be charged for a first or second checked bag.
The new fee goes into effect for tickets purchased on or after Sept. 13, 2008
and applies to travel commencing on or after Nov. 1, 2008. Frontier introduced
a $25 fee for a second checked bag fee in June.


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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4245 times:

One month and DL joins to club.


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User currently onlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4248 times:
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Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):

You better ask Worldtravelers permission first!!!



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User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

In somewhat related news, F9 employee paycuts are being kept in place.

Not a happy day for passengers or employees.

Checko



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User currently offlineFCO110 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4110 times:

If you were to line up a Southwest ticket price and that of a mainline that has all of the fees is there a differential? While I agree the airlines need to make money, I can not see how this would not tip the balance in Southwests favor when you added up the cost differences. I guess after a few purchases when people realize they have the add ons it may make an impact? All of the bigger carriers charge unacompanied minor fees of up to $150.00 each way which Southwest does not have either. Being an AA plat, bags are free there but if I can not fly AA would easily skip to Southwest if that was an option in order to avoid the fees.

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4049 times:

Quoting FCO110 (Reply 4):
If you were to line up a Southwest ticket price and that of a mainline that has all of the fees is there a differential? While I agree the airlines need to make money, I can not see how this would not tip the balance in Southwests favor when you added up the cost differences. I guess after a few purchases when people realize they have the add ons it may make an impact?

Part of that all depends whether or not WN serves both the origin and destination of one's travel itinerary.

From the earlier CO bag-fee thread:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4133748/

For those that might ask, here's an updated compilation of U.S. airlines that do NOT charge for the 1st Checked Bag:

AS
B6
DL
F9 (to end Nov. 1)
FL
HA (?)
VX
WN (2nd Checked Bag is also Free)

[Edited 2008-09-12 11:54:37]


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4030 times:

While I do understand that airlines will not increase their fares - only their additional fees - I sincerely hope that one airline, at least, will make it possible to pre-pay this fee at the time of purchase of their ticket!!

It boggles the mind to think that even though we're going to be charged $400 for our itinerary, we can only pre-pay $350 of it. If it's so damn easy for the airlines to sell their tickets directly to the customer on the internet, why is it so freakin' impossible to assess that fee at the time of purchase? I'd think they'd be thrilled to have the extra money up front and not have to slow the check-in lines down at the airport!!

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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3975 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 2):
You better ask Worldtravelers permission first!!!

I can't stop laughing, and I dare not add to your comments as he will have me "deleted" for irrelevancy to topic or something of the sort!


 Big grin



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User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3918 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 6):
While I do understand that airlines will not increase their fares - only their additional fees - I sincerely hope that one airline, at least, will make it possible to pre-pay this fee at the time of purchase of their ticket!!

It boggles the mind to think that even though we're going to be charged $400 for our itinerary, we can only pre-pay $350 of it. If it's so damn easy for the airlines to sell their tickets directly to the customer on the internet, why is it so freakin' impossible to assess that fee at the time of purchase? I'd think they'd be thrilled to have the extra money up front and not have to slow the check-in lines down at the airport!!

This will be coming soon to F9. They have been working for quite a while on the package fare concept (ala Air Canada, not a coincidence) and that will not only allow you to pay for exactly the services you want, but the total price will also be reflected at the time of purchase.

That is unless you change your mind at the airport..

Apparently, technology issues have been holding this up and it might also be why little attention has been given to the current F9 website. It seems that the techs have been busy elsewhere.

Checko



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3885 times:



Quote:
This will be coming soon to F9. They have been working for quite a while on the package fare concept (ala Air Canada, not a coincidence) and that will not only allow you to pay for exactly the services you want, but the total price will also be reflected at the time of purchase.

That is GREAT to hear!!

If airlines really want self-service passengers and for us to use the kiosks, then they need to NOT have us relentless charged at the airport. The more that is pre-done, the less congested the airport. The more "swiping" that has to be done at the airport, the slower things go, the more irritated people get, and the more unnecessary frustration people must endure. And it doesn't have to be.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25004 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3860 times:
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Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 8):
This will be coming soon to F9.

The end of October, perhaps?

Perhaps it is a pity they couldn't have announced it together with the 1st bag fee - it might have blunted any negative reaction.

mariner



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3844 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 6):

Pretty Simple. Bags still have to be weighed to make sure they are not overweight or the airlines will collect more fees!

It makes more stress for the person to pay for the 1st, 2nd bags, then go drop it off and oops, it is overweight, come back gotta pay more fees. It is better to just do them all at once there.

Alex



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User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1302 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3840 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 6):
I sincerely hope that one airline, at least, will make it possible to pre-pay this fee at the time of purchase of their ticket!!

My friends at CHA work Allegiant's flights, and their passengers are able to pay for checked bags online. It is also cheaper to pay for it in advance.



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User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3765 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 11):
Pretty Simple. Bags still have to be weighed to make sure they are not overweight or the airlines will collect more fees!

It makes more stress for the person to pay for the 1st, 2nd bags, then go drop it off and oops, it is overweight, come back gotta pay more fees. It is better to just do them all at once there.

I have to disagree. The great majority of bags are not overweight. Furthermore, most people know when their bag is probably overweight and anticipate it. The few that don't, probably don't travel often and will be stressed just from showing up at the airport. Sadly, this won't help, but there is little an airline can do to assist this type of passenger because they do very little to help themselves.

Thus, for the great majority of passengers, they will do exactly as they already do. They will check in online and already have paid for the number of bags they want. If they paid for one bag, for example, they pack one bag and a carry on. They then show up at the baggage drop area, the bag gets weighed and tagged, and off they go.

Much simpler and quicker really than the current situation.

Checko



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3681 times:



Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 13):
most people know when their bag is probably overweight and anticipate it.

However they still argue with me as if I am blind to the scale and don't see it tipping 60 pounds when it is 50 pounds...(an example)

Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 13):
Thus, for the great majority of passengers, they will do exactly as they already do. They will check in online and already have paid for the number of bags they want. If they paid for one bag, for example, they pack one bag and a carry on. They then show up at the baggage drop area, the bag gets weighed and tagged, and off they go.

Are you assuming with this example the airlines will DROP the overweight fees then? If I am correct Airlines charge the overweight fee due to "fuel cost" and also airlines most of them will not accept any bag 100 pounds or over, another reason why the airlines check the weight.

This is also a safety reason, even if the airlines didn't charge the bag for being overweight, it is still weighed when it is over 50 pounds so the rampers know how heavy it is and can proceed with caution and 2ndly, all bags have an average weight of 50 pounds, when it actually exceeds more then 50, if I am correct the airline has to take exact configuration of the higher weight into the take off weight as well.

At least this was how it was done and explained to me as a CSA for SWA. Do agents at other airlines do this differently?

Alex



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1882 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

I love F9, but the way they're trying to throw the labor under the bus, I doubt they'll be around by November 1st.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13511 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3517 times:
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Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 13):
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 11):
Pretty Simple. Bags still have to be weighed to make sure they are not overweight or the airlines will collect more fees!

It makes more stress for the person to pay for the 1st, 2nd bags, then go drop it off and oops, it is overweight, come back gotta pay more fees. It is better to just do them all at once there.

I have to disagree.

 redflag 

Disagree all you want, but this is EXACTLY why you cannot prepay baggage fees - there are the variables of them possibly being oversize and/or overweight that could change the amount of the fee that's due, and the airline cannot accurately determine that without eyeballing and/or weighing the bag.



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User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3475 times:



Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 13):
I have to disagree. The great majority of bags are not overweight. Furthermore, most people know when their bag is probably overweight and anticipate it. The few that don't, probably don't travel often and will be stressed just from showing up at the airport. Sadly, this won't help, but there is little an airline can do to assist this type of passenger because they do very little to help themselves.

Thus, for the great majority of passengers, they will do exactly as they already do. They will check in online and already have paid for the number of bags they want. If they paid for one bag, for example, they pack one bag and a carry on. They then show up at the baggage drop area, the bag gets weighed and tagged, and off they go.

Much simpler and quicker really than the current situation.

Exactly, thats what airlines like Virgin Blue and Tiger Airways do down here in Aussie, Its a system that works the same as it did before people paid for checked-in luggage when they were given a baggage allowance, now the only difference is they pay for that baggage allowance at the time of booking. Then any excess is charged at the counter, but most pax bags are under anyway, so the check-in process remains the same as it did before these airlines charged extra to check bags at the time of booking. Its a simple system that makes very little difference to the check-in process.

Its interesting because by having the pax 'select' a baggage allowance at time of booking, it makes them more aware of the amount of luggage they are limited to, and pack accordingly  Wink



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User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3402 times:

I don't think people understood what I am saying.

You prepay only the checked baggage fees. If the airline charges for the first bag, second bag, whatever, you select the number of bags you anticipate to check and pay any applicable fees ahead of time.

When you show up at the airport, these fees are paid, but you still have to check the bag. At the baggage drop off desk, the bag is weighed and tagged. At THIS point will any overweight/oversize, etc fees be applied an must be paid for.

In my experience loading umpteen numbers of loading data into our FMS to get our W&B, the vast majority of bags are under 50 pounds. Thus my assumption that most passengers will not see any overweight charges or will do anymore than just drop off their bags with the agent.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 14):
However they still argue with me as if I am blind to the scale and don't see it tipping 60 pounds when it is 50 pounds...(an example)

Southwest trains that you cannot satisfy every customer. These customers missed all the information on the website, the signage up to the counter, and now argue with the scale. They cannot be helped or satisfied. While they might be frustrated, I'm sure that not every customer argues in this way.

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 17):
Its interesting because by having the pax 'select' a baggage allowance at time of booking, it makes them more aware of the amount of luggage they are limited to, and pack accordingly

Exactly.

While these fees are not ideal, its necessary. Until airlines are able to charge what it actually costs them to fly, they will have to resort to these fees to be able to cover their costs.

Checko



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13511 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3388 times:
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Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 18):
You prepay only the checked baggage fees. If the airline charges for the first bag, second bag, whatever, you select the number of bags you anticipate to check and pay any applicable fees ahead of time.

When you show up at the airport, these fees are paid, but you still have to check the bag. At the baggage drop off desk, the bag is weighed and tagged. At THIS point will any overweight/oversize, etc fees be applied an must be paid for.

...and THAT is when the "BUT I ALREADY PAID! YOU F**KING PEOPLE ARE GOUGING ME - WHERE'S YOUR SUPERVISOR?!?" arguments begin.

Trust me, from a customer experience standpoint, it's better to levy one charge or set of charges (depending on the carrier - many charge just one; the higher of the applicable fees) at the airport when you check the bag than to have multiple fees collected at multiple touchpoints.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3384 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 19):
..and THAT is when the "BUT I ALREADY PAID! YOU F**KING PEOPLE ARE GOUGING ME - WHERE'S YOUR SUPERVISOR?!?" arguments begin.

Nah. You just state quite clearly when you choose the bag allowance that the bag MUST be XxYxZ and under Z pounds or be subject to additional fee.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3367 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
Nah. You just state quite clearly when you choose the bag allowance that the bag MUST be XxYxZ and under Z pounds or be subject to additional fee

Has that really stopped passengers from arguing other points.."weather? what weather it's sunny out there" among the many excuses, reasons the Customers will come up with.

Alex



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3287 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 21):
Has that really stopped passengers from arguing other points.."weather? what weather it's sunny out there" among the many excuses, reasons the Customers will come up with.


And sometimes they are right. Airlines are getting caught using weather as an excuse when it's not the reason, just so they aren't responsible for accommodating passengers.

But that's not the issue. The issue is that some pax overstuff their luggage. And it's just not a debatable issue, nor is it nebulous like "ground stops" or "planning for weather at our hub" as it's cut and dry. Either your bag is over 50 pounds or it's not.  Smile



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3278 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 2):
Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):

You better ask Worldtravelers permission first!!!

 rotfl .... if DL does it will be a "smart" business move and letting the market make mistakes first..had they done it first then "DL would have been on the "cutting edge" of revenue generation".. bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineYXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3191 times:



Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 8):

This will be coming soon to F9. They have been working for quite a while on the package fare concept (ala Air Canada, not a coincidence) and that will not only allow you to pay for exactly the services you want, but the total price will also be reflected at the time of purchase.

Another idea that I'm surprised hasn't caught on is AC's strategy of packaging the Charge for the 1st bag as a Discount for those who decide not to take any bags.

Of course, it's only $3 (for now?), and comes with a $50 penalty if you change your mind. It's just customer mentality I guess; a discount is better than a charge even if the price is the same in the end.



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25 PanAm747 : Now I'm confused...is it the supposition here that if passengers pre-pay their $15 or $30 ahead of time the scales at the airport won't work? Every ti
26 Atrude777 : The point of pre paying at the comp when you check in, is to avoid having to take out your wallet at the chekc in and make it as smooth as possible,
27 Bond007 : That's the ways it's ALWAYS been anyway, before charges for all checked bags. If their bag was overweight, they pay the charges - no different, excep
28 Luv2cattlecall : How about Spirit..they've been letting you pre-pay for a reduced rate Or FL...the 2nd bag is half the price if paid online - and I've had a few scuff
29 PSU.DTW.SCE : NW lets you pay for your checked bags when you check-in online.
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