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Unofficial: AA ORD-DUB/ORD-MAN To Become 757  
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3203 posts, RR: 13
Posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9869 times:

Hey all,

Just heard along the grapvine that the AA ORD-Int'l flight attendants were told that ORD-DUB and ORD-MAN are to become 75A routes as soon as AA begins reconfiguring their subfleet of 18x TATL 757's.

So, there's (unofficially) two routes that will get 75A's.

On a final note - I've said it before, and I'll say it again.... AA please bring back ORD-GLA!!!!!  Big grin  crossfingers 


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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6311 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9844 times:

Interesting. I'm ticketed ORD-DUB-ORD in January and I haven't seen a seat map that empty in a long time...sure, I know that's not a perfect judge but...it's emptyyyy.

When would this begin?


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9703 times:

Stinks to see any downgrades, but I'm honestly more interested in where these 763s will go. Replacing some A300 routes, new routes, or temporarily for winglet mods. The possibilities are endless!  Wink But seriously, I'm hoping for some new routes here!

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9670 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 2):
Stinks to see any downgrades, but I'm honestly more interested in where these 763s will go. Replacing some A300 routes, new routes, or temporarily for winglet mods. The possibilities are endless! Wink But seriously, I'm hoping for some new routes here!

Well, more 763s to Heathrow (BOS/RDU/DFW-LHR), 763 to Moscow, too. This frees up more 772s to Latin America (i.e. MIA-GRU is now 3x daily 772 year-round); plus Madrid. Plus 763s are being used on the new MIA-REC/SSA/CNF flights.

One more European route will likely get a 772, maybe JFK-CDG.

Hopefully we'll see a new Europe route from Miami in 2009 - Milan or Barcelona.

But, yes, more 763s doing short-haul from Miami is probably a given. We are already seeing 763s doing JFK-Caribbean this winter, with JFK-PAP/SDQ.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7545 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9598 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Well, more 763s to Heathrow (BOS/RDU/DFW-LHR), 763 to Moscow, too. This frees up more 772s to Latin America (i.e. MIA-GRU is now 3x daily 772 year-round); plus Madrid. Plus 763s are being used on the new MIA-REC/SSA/CNF flights.

Is AA going to add more flights to LHR from DFW/BOS/RDU? BOS and RDU are already going all 763. DFW is going one 763 and one 777 which is where it will probably stay.

Of course DME is going 763 and needs one. And the new Brazil routes need 763's. Thats probably where these 763's would go if ORD-DUB/MAN are downgraded.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Hopefully we'll see a new Europe route from Miami in 2009 - Milan or Barcelona.

Maybe you can correct me on this if im wrong, but from what Ive heard, the next routes to Europe up for strong consideration are DFW-MAD and MIA-MXP.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9558 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Hopefully we'll see a new Europe route from Miami in 2009 - Milan or Barcelona.

Awesome! MiAAmi-MilAAn is way overdue; I'm happy that AA is reconsidering this route!


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9511 times:
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Presumably potentially good news for BD then for MAN-ORD. But a bit of a shame that the moment AA and BA want to get ATI, they appear to want to downgrade the only non-London link in the UK, especially the alleged profitability of the route. But, then again, BA's got form for this type of thing with other carriers so I guess we shouldn't be so surprised..

User currently offlineWoody71 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9477 times:

Forgive my ignorance as I am an avionics guy and not much up on A/C capabilities but does the 757 really have that kind of range or is this pushing the limit? I mean BOS/JFK to MAN/DUB is one thing but ORD? That is a loooong way on a plane I always thought was trans-con or shorter route TATL.

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9447 times:



Quoting Woody71 (Reply 7):
A/C capabilities but does the 757 really have that kind of range or is this pushing the limit?

ORD-UK/Ireland is within the range of the 752, anything much farther than that and I hope the passengers are prepared to get out and push.



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9432 times:
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I believe CO were doing CLE-CDG on 757s. This is slightly longer than ORD-MAN. Might also be down to engines.

User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9434 times:



Quoting Woody71 (Reply 7):
Forgive my ignorance as I am an avionics guy and not much up on A/C capabilities but does the 757 really have that kind of range or is this pushing the limit? I mean BOS/JFK to MAN/DUB is one thing but ORD? That is a loooong way on a plane I always thought was trans-con or shorter route TATL.

It's certainly feasible. For comparison's sake, CO flies EWR-TXL, which is 3458nm. ORD-MAN is 3325, or 133nm shorter. They'll be more than fine on it. Maybe some weight restrictions on really hot summer days, but mostly it should operate without issue.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3203 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9422 times:

Quoting Woody71 (Reply 7):
but does the 757 really have that kind of range or is this pushing the limit?

MAN-ORD is beginning to push the limit, but still within the abilities of the 757. It's one of my favorite planes so my opinion is heavily biased, but the 757 is a titan of a plane - not too much it can't do (within reason, of course).

By comparison though, the longest 757 route ever was NW's FRA-DTW at 3616nm. MAN-ORD is 3325nm and DUB-ORD is 3192nm (all according to GCM).

While the RR engines are less efficient than the PW's, AA has high-gross-weight 757's and should be able to run the routes without weight limits. If they do take any, it should only be a few seats.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 1):
When would this begin?

No official time. As soon as the 757's begin getting the 16J/166Y cabin reconfigurations.

So, your flights in January should still be 763's.

[Edited 2008-09-12 12:49:15]


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User currently offlineRipcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9394 times:

They will and hope only be 757 during the slow season cause in the summer time those 2 routes are always full but I don't know how much they make on those full flights if the margins suck then I can see why. I would love to see GLA come back

User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2104 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9385 times:

This should see the demise of another One World carrier out of MAN. The AA 757 sucked on the BOS-MAN leg, throw them on the ORD-MAN and they will suck for a few hours longer.

The one good thing is that the Skyteam and Star Alliance guys can benefit. So long AA, tried your 757 once across the pond and that was enough for me. Enjoy LHR you and BA can keep the place as long as you like!!


User currently offlineLUPOR1D From Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9386 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 11):
MAN-ORD is beginning to push the limit, but still within the abilities of the 757. It's one of my favorite planes so my opinion is heavily biased, but the 757 is a titan of a plane - not too much it can't do (within reason, of course).

Not really- at most 200nm further than DUB.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9351 times:



Quoting Col (Reply 13):
This should see the demise of another One World carrier out of MAN. The AA 757 sucked on the BOS-MAN leg, throw them on the ORD-MAN and they will suck for a few hours longer.

The one good thing is that the Skyteam and Star Alliance guys can benefit. So long AA, tried your 757 once across the pond and that was enough for me. Enjoy LHR you and BA can keep the place as long as you like!!

FWIW, AA will be refurbishing their 757 interiors. These particular TATL-equipped birds will have the new J seats, new Y seats, sidewalls and the like. They'll be quite nice and fresh when complete. New LCDs as well (whether they're over the aisle or PTVs I don't know; don't care personally).


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2885 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9303 times:



Quoting Woody71 (Reply 7):
Forgive my ignorance as I am an avionics guy and not much up on A/C capabilities but does the 757 really have that kind of range or is this pushing the limit? I mean BOS/JFK to MAN/DUB is one thing but ORD? That is a loooong way on a plane I always thought was trans-con or shorter route TATL.

I think Delta Air Lines operate the longest 757 route in the world with Atlanta-Shannon.
Last summer AA operated ORD-SNN with a 757-200W.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9254 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):

Is AA going to add more flights to LHR from DFW/BOS/RDU? BOS and RDU are already going all 763. DFW is going one 763 and one 777 which is where it will probably stay.

The current summer 2009 schedule is showing DFW-LHR and BOS-LHR at 3x daily each, but that is a dummy schedule as AA is using slot holders as they wait to figure out what to do. With BOS-LHR, it is easy to place a 3rd frequency temporarily into booking engines and then rebook everybody into the other two flights. DFW-LHR very may likely go 3x daily, though. It also might be part of a grander scheme to get anti-trust approval, like saying "Hey, look, if we get approval, we are willing to remove one of three daily BOS-LHR flights this summer."



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9234 times:
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Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 16):

Didn't Icelandair operate KEF-MCO-KEF, and still fly KEF-MSP-KEF with the 752? MIA-LPB and MIA-VVI are also over 6 hours flying time from MIA.

[Edited 2008-09-12 13:18:58]

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7545 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9140 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
DFW-LHR very may likely go 3x daily, though. It also might be part of a grander scheme to get anti-trust approval, like saying "Hey, look, if we get approval, we are willing to remove one of three daily BOS-LHR flights this summer."

Actually, Im glad you brought this up.

It looks like AA is indeed going 3x daily DFW-LHR and BOS-LHR starting May 1. Not sure if this is seasonal or permanent. The new flights are bookable, but as you say, AA might use them as a bargaining tool if they have to. From what it looks like the slots are coming from LAX and ORD. But its still far out and even though they are bookable, who knows what will happen when it comes down to ATI.

Heres the schedule for the new flights:

AA 124 S M T W T F S BOSLHR 955P 935A 763
AA 125 S M T W T F S LHRBOS 315P 540P 763

AA 80 S M T W T F S DFWLHR 900P 1225P+ 763
AA 81 S M T W T F S LHRDFW 1215P 440P 763



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2179 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9131 times:



Quoting Woody71 (Reply 7):
Forgive my ignorance as I am an avionics guy and not much up on A/C capabilities but does the 757 really have that kind of range or is this pushing the limit?

AA used to operate its Ireland routes on 757's when they were first launched in 2005 (ORD-DUB and BOS-SNN). They actually stayed that way for a few years until the BOS-SNN route was dropped and instead American linked its operations to go ORD-SNN-DUB-ORD and upgraded the aircraft to a 763. Since then, SNN has been dropped. The 757's are widely used on Ireland routes from the U.S. and suit them well.

On a slightly different topic, anybody wonder why CO uses a 757 on its EWR-MAD route? You would think that its enough of a high-density route to use a bigger a/c, especially since US PHL-MAD uses an A333 and EWR definitely has as much (if not more) of a domestic feed than PHL?



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2885 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9111 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 18):
Didn't Icelandair operate KEF-MCO-KEF, and still fly KEF-MSP-KEF with the 752? MIA-LPB and MIA-VVI are also over 6 hours flying time from MIA.

DL's SNN-ATL flight is 8 hours and 40 minutes. Not sure about KEF-MCO but KEF-MSP definately wouldn't beat this flight time.



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6311 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9112 times:



Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 20):
AA used to operate its Ireland routes on 757's when they were first launched in 2005 (ORD-DUB and BOS-SNN). They actually stayed that way for a few years until the BOS-SNN route was dropped and instead American linked its operations to go ORD-SNN-DUB-ORD and upgraded the aircraft to a 763

What exactly do you mean by "a few years" because I flew ORD-DUB-ORD in December 2005/January 2006 and it was a (rather full) 767-300.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2179 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9073 times:



Quoting SW733 (Reply 22):
What exactly do you mean by "a few years" because I flew ORD-DUB-ORD in December 2005/January 2006 and it was a (rather full) 767-300.

Sorry, you are correct. I had assumed that both of the flights were operated on 757's. Yes, AA was a 763 from ORD-DUB. Here's the thread that supports what you had asked:

AA+ORD-SNN#ID3158052" target=_blank>http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...hid=3158052&s=AA+ORD-SNN#ID3158052

My apologies.



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5240 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9057 times:



Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 20):
AA used to operate its Ireland routes on 757's when they were first launched in 2005 (ORD-DUB and BOS-SNN).

Actually I'm fairly certain that ORD-DUB has always been a 763.



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25 MANGuy : If true, an AA 757 on ORD-MAN will kill it dead IMO....will last one or two seasons at best. All part of the AA/BA masterplan for the future of UK-US
26 Danfearn77 : No not really. When we first heard of the alliance some of us guessed this route would eventually go, and this looks like the start of it.
27 AmricanShamrok : Yes you're right. DUB always was a 763 from day 1 and SNN always was a 752 except the one winter where DUB-ORD and SNN-ORD were operated in conjuncti
28 Soxfan : Are any of the 763s scheduled for retirement, or are all of the frames still scheduled to continue flying? Also, for the 757 refurbishments, are the n
29 UN_B732 : I don't recall non-stop ATL-SNN on the 757? I know they fly CVG-AMS which is 3599nm is just a few miles shorter than DTW-FRA. -A
30 Gkirk : AA will lose a LOT of customers from the UK if they go MAN-ORD with a 757, especially as it was thought to be one of the best performing tx routes for
31 MAH4546 : AA will lose no customers because 99.9% of customers don't care.
32 AJMIA : Ah OK. It was blowing my mind that BOS was getting LHR #3 before MIA got LHR #2. I do not believe that LAX-LHR #2 is in the system for next summer so
33 MAH4546 : Keep in mind, though, that AA loves MIA-LHR because they get so much paid F and C travel on the route, and they love to keep the number of premium se
34 LAXdude1023 : Is it a dummy frequency if its bookable?
35 MAH4546 : Well, it obviously has to be bookable so AA can keep the slot. As of now, they do not plan on actually starting the 3rd daily BOS-LHR service, but we
36 Flyguy1 : Any chance AA will up JFK back to 6x daily?
37 LAXdude1023 : Oh. I thought a dummy slot was a flight put in schedules, but not bookable. What about the 3rd DFW-LHR slot? Same deal.
38 SCL767 : The only flight I take to LHR; don't forget about MIA-EZE 2x daily. I believe some flights are already sold out!
39 David_itl : But you've got to admit that the timing of this looks none to clever when AA has been operating the route since 1986, having upset BA in the early to
40 Col : Frankly, who cares. The point today is to have consistency. Anything to do with BA except in London in non reliable. As AA is part of the One World a
41 ContinentalEWR : Look for JFK to BRU and BCN to become 757's as well. As AA draws down the A300 fleet, it needs the 767-300's for high density pax and cargo ops to the
42 Flavio340 : Here are the route fomr JFK, ORD and BOS that are under 4000mi (excluding LHR): JFK-BCN 3825mi JFK-BRU 3661mi JFK-MXP 3988mi JFK-CDG 3628mi JFK-ZRH 39
43 Jacobin777 : I think that will be the case as well...hopefully it will also improve RASM.....DOT data shows AA's running only at 69%/75% for MAN-ORD-MAN respectfu
44 Col : What about Freight. A 757 would be able to uplift a couple of boxes of kleenex. This will reduce profitability even further, so quicken the demise. B
45 ElmoTheHobo : Untrue. The reconfigured 757s will offer a level of comfort comparable to other aircraft. People don't care what kind of plane it is, whether is sing
46 Jacobin777 : AA carriers 1/2 the freight (in each direction) than BD does....it seems freight is a bit more important to BD than for AA......of course, BD flies t
47 Col : quote=Jacobin777,reply=46]AA carriers 1/2 the freight (in each direction) than BD does....it seems freight is a bit more important to BD than for AA..
48 FURUREFA : I usually agree with you, but I've heard from people in management levels 8/9 that 124/125 (the new BOS/LHR frequency) will is not just a "dummy" but
49 Daleaholic : Great... Another 757 across the Atlantic to MAN
50 OA412 : I remember reading not too long ago that ORD-MAN was one of AA's best performing ORD-Europe flights, is this no longer the case?
51 TUSAA : FURUREFA' what you heard is most likely what will happen. MAH4546 post's inaccurate info quite often regarding AA. He's refuses to reveal his sources
52 LAXdude1023 : Things do indeed change. Im not sure if it is still a very profitable flight. I know that (for example) DFW-ZRH used to be one of AA's most profitabl
53 Jacobin777 : I think its a combination of the fact they will no longer have the A300's and there is probably some profit/yield loss on the route..amongst other th
54 AirNZ : Absolute BS!
55 OA412 : Thanks both for the replies. I figued it was something along those lines. I'm also wondering if Open Skies and the complete move to LHR didn't have s
56 MAH4546 : Nope, it's not BS. Continenental, Northwest, and, now Delta, have proven it isn't. Plus 757 service on ORD-MAN might mean 2x daily frequency.
57 ElmoTheHobo : About time. American announced a third frequency way back in 2003 after dumping Newark-Heathrow and it never came to be. IMO American is better off u
58 Brilondon : I am not sure why it is considered a downgrade. The only real difference would be the siae of the plane. Oh and probably the quality of the inflight e
59 8herveg : I was wondering this. Especially as they no longer do the JFK-STN route. Ok, it was on a 767, but I reckon AA could easily fill another daily 777 to
60 Panamair : But at what yields? Yields into LHR have been royally trashed recently, even in the premium cabins. For example, with some advance notice, one can ge
61 Col : Since BA pulled out of MAN I think AA demise is coming soon. I cannot see how 2 x 757's, even if they did double up the route, would be more efficien
62 AmricanShamrok : As will the Aer Lingus A330s that compete on the route out of Dublin.
63 Gkirk : Hmm, I hadn't thought of it that way...
64 DFWEagle : Both MAN and DUB may be getting a new JFK flight on AA in addition to the existing ORD flights. AA already books quite a lot of people on EI and BA fl
65 Shamrock604 : Would be a big mistake IMHO, at least from DUB. There is already enough capacity on DUB-NYC (as EI found out this year when they had real troubles fi
66 Styles9002 : I doubt AA base their route planning decisions on what Irish Lingus is doing on the JFK DUB route. If Irish Lingus has a hard time filling an extra ro
67 Shamrock604 : Styles.... for the last time... It's Aer Lingus, as many on the Irish Aviation threads have told you. I'll take a decrepit A330 over a decrepit B757
68 F1eddie : Wow great responce there. What airline were you talking about though. I dont think there is any airline called Irish Lingus operating this route....
69 Jacobin777 : Your argument doesn't hold because the B757's which will be used for the routes are going to be completely refurbished.
70 Shamrock604 : As are the A330's, which F1eddie explained above. In any case, I wasnt reffering to AA's 757's, rather that of CO's and DL's which also ply the route
71 United1 : I dont think its that most customers don't care they just for the most part have no clue about the different types of aircraft. To alot of people a 7
72 MAH4546 : Yup. In addition there is talk of making JFK-BCN a 757, but it might be complemented with a new MIA-BCN 763 service.
73 ElmoTheHobo : The issue is slots. American could fill up 777s to Heathrow until the cows come home, they just don't have the slots. That's nonsense. British Airway
74 Jacobin777 : ..aaaaah...I see.. ..no worries mate..
75 Post contains images Shamrock604 : Yup, I have indeed. CO always impressed me. DL are not half bad either. But I do not like the 757 on transatlantic. I always get off feeling like cra
76 Col : Right there 100%, Irish Lingus have absolutely zero name recognition in NY, nor any in MA where I am. No wonder they can't fill any of those planes t
77 AA767400 : Apparently the APFA have made runs on both NW and CO to view how things operate Crew wise on their 757 across the pond. There are two issues that come
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