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Bombardier CSeries What A/C Does It Compete With?  
User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1721 posts, RR: 21
Posted (3 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 7743 times:

After seeing many pictures and reading information on this project by Bombardier, I ask myself what aircraft will it most likely be a threat to? Will it be the 737/A32S or the Embraer 170/190 series aircraft?


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User currently offlineMileHighFlyer From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 7736 times:

I would say it is a threat to the Embraer 190 more than anything. Very similar plane and capacity.

User currently offlineGEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 815 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 7713 times:

emb190 and the bottom end of the A320 and B737 lines (A318 and B736) and sadly the no longer produced 717.


The C series is attempting to reopen up the 110-130 seat market with a 150 seat larger version.

Everntually I expect to see a 170 seat model that would compete with the new 737 and a320 lines when they come out.

User currently offlineAndyDTWnwa7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 7676 times:

Please do not bash me, my knowledge of these aircraft is still growing, so I could be way off, but I'll ask/throw this out there:
Could it be a possible NWA DC-9 replacement? They look similar from my perspective

Edit: Sorry, I was thinking the CRJ-1000, not the Cseries. I am going to start a new thread for this.

[Edited 2008-09-14 16:14:42]

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6355 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 7478 times:



Quoting AndyDTWnwa7 (Reply 3):
Could it be a possible NWA DC-9 replacement? They look similar from my perspective

Definitely NW was very interested, but right now with the Delta merger I don“t expect any new aircraft orders soon but when the deal is settled I expect them to order it.


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 7466 times:

Little competition.

Replacement for 737-300, BAE146, F100, A318, TU134 etc.

Future competition Sukhoi Superjet, ARJ, MRJ..

Superjet seems acceptable also for non russian operations, lots of western content in critical systems. Likely has a stretch is designed in just like the CSeries.



IMO alternative seat configuration could bring these jet in A318/737 territory / 150 seats with far superior operating cost under 2000nm.



User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 7401 times:

Gee I'm looking forward to this aircraft Big grin

Its not really competing directly with current production aircraft, what it will do is replace many older aircraft of the DC-9/MD-80/BAE-146/F-100/717/737-300/737-500/737-600 variety.

Quoting GEG2RAP (Reply 2):
The C series is attempting to reopen up the 110-130 seat market with a 150 seat larger version.

You basically sum it up there, and when you think about it there is quite a huge market, that really has been notably absent, and a 110-130 seater (thats economical...) is a prime category that we could see take off again. Whilst many airlines have managed to skirt around with the E-jets and 737/A320 combos, there is still a gap many need to fill, or even focus more on the middle ground 110-130 (up to 150) seaters with the one aircraft type. So having said that you could say its a threat to the E-jets, 737s and A320s, depending on which way airlines choose to gear their fleets towards.

The C-Series fits nicely between the Dash-8 Q300/Q400 and the 737-800/900 or A320/A321, personally, I'm hopeing for an order from QF  Wink


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User currently offlineMrocktor From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7274 times:

Considering aircraft that are in service, It competes with the 737 family, the A320 family, the E-jet family and the CRJ family (yep). It will compete with the MRJ, Sukhoi SJ100 if they come to fruition.

Since the CSeries straddles the "large regional jet" and small narrowbody categories, a mainline operator buying into the CSeries has to make it fit both with their smaller planes and with the larger ones.

Typically an airline will have some sort of "large regional jet" and some sort of narrowbody in service. Say they fly CRJs (700, 900) and 737s (700, 800). Buying into the CSeries means going to CRJ (700), CSeries (110, 130), 737 (800). In other words, adding a fleet type.

For large fleets this might not matter much, for airlines that have their "regional" flying done by affiliates or subcontracted, it might mean the CSeries will by flying mainline against ERJ-190/195s and CRJ-900/1000s in regional.

You can't really predict what the market shares will be at the end of the day, but in one way or another the CSeries will compete with everything that is on the market between 70 and 200 seats.


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