Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
What Could Be A Dc-9 Replacement For NWA?  
User currently offlineAndyDTWnwa7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 83 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5415 times:

Before I begin to get yelled at/bashed, I understand that this has been discussed before, but I think my question is slightly differant-
What aircraft that is currently in production/ close to being produced (ex: CRJ-1000) could be a replacement for the nwa Dc-9s?
I AM NOT asking what will they replace it with, as I understand that in the midst of attempting to merge with Delta, a Dc-9 replacement is at the bottom of the list. I am simply wondering what aircraft could best serve as a replacement.

Also, with current gas prices and state of the economy, would it be smarter to downsize and have a rj be a replacement.

33 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5335 times:

It will be the E190.......


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

They will be around until at least 2012, the -50s anyways. From what I hear Anderson has a hard-on for the 9s and he wants to keep them. SO they are here for foreseeable future. As for a replacement? It's anyone's guess.

The -50 is a 125 seats, that's more than the 319 by one seat. Will we see more 319 orders? Not likely,more 73Gs? better chance of that happening. E190 orCRJ1000 possible?


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

In terms of comparable seating capacity:

A319 or 737-700 replaces DC-9-50

E195 or CRJ900 replaces DC-9-30/-40

E170/175 or CRJ700 replaces DC-9-10


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5294 times:



Quoting AndyDTWnwa7 (Thread starter):
I AM NOT asking what will they replace it with, as I understand that in the midst of attempting to merge with Delta, a Dc-9 replacement is at the bottom of the list. I am simply wondering what aircraft could best serve as a replacement

Apparently its not the bottom line.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
It will be the E190.......

Actually it's turning to looking more and more like the C-Series, wider cabin, better economics and range and more.

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 5):
E195 or CRJ900 replaces DC-9-30/-40

Uh not even close. The CRJ-900 is only 76 seats, the -30 alone is 100, and the -40 110. Well outside its replacement, the airlines have said they have a huge gap and will need something to fit that, its one reason why northwest has some of the better route structures because they have the right sized planes.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6187 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

NW/Delta is going to replace the DC-9? Was this a flight attendant or pilot rumor?

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20241 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5277 times:



Quoting AndyDTWnwa7 (Thread starter):
What aircraft that is currently in production/ close to being produced (ex: CRJ-1000) could be a replacement for the nwa Dc-9s?

Whatever it is, don't be shocked if they're still flying in 2058.  duck 


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5245 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 6):
Uh not even close. The CRJ-900 is only 76 seats, the -30 alone is 100, and the -40 110. Well outside its replacement, the airlines have said they have a huge gap and will need something to fit that, its one reason why northwest has some of the better route structures because they have the right sized planes.

Agreed. The CRJ-900 is about the size of an Embrare 175. Many seem to think that it competes against the Embraer 190 due to their similar model numbers.

Currently, the CRJ-1000 is Bombardier's closest competitor to the E-190, but soon, the Bombardier CSeries will become more of a true competitor.

As for the DC-9 replacement, I would expect either the E-190/195, or the Bombardier CSeries. As for the CRJ-1000, it is mostly a niche aircraft and isn't really expected to sell much, so I don't see DL/NW purchasing any.



The Pink Delta 767-400ER - The most beautiful aircraft in the sky
User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5092 times:

The CSeries would be really interesting to replace the DC-9, but with the 737-700 entering the DL fleet i wonder if DL would order some more for this reason. But i'm not really sure if too many DC-9s will need to be replaced, with DL/NW being able to consolidate fleets and routes they could use 737s and A319s to replace them until they need new ones

User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 859 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

My vote is on the E190 and or the A319.
JD CRPXE



A line is evidence that other people exist.
User currently offlinePanAm788 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4963 times:



Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 10):
My vote is on the E190 and or the A319.

It won't be the A319 as they already use them together and the DC-9-30 seats a lot less than the A319, maybe a A318. I'm guessing they'll wait until after Boeing and Airbus make a 737/A320 upgrade/replacement and decide between that, the C-Series, and Embraer 190. I also think there are some weird pilot union clauses for the 100 seat market so we'll have to wait and see.



You know nothing Jon Snow
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4935 times:



Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 11):
It won't be the A319 as they already use them together and the DC-9-30 seats a lot less than the A319, maybe a A318. I'm guessing they'll wait until after Boeing and Airbus make a 737/A320 upgrade/replacement and decide between that, the C-Series, and Embraer 190. I also think there are some weird pilot union clauses for the 100 seat market so we'll have to wait and see.

Since it is DL buying out NW, Boeing just might give the new Delta some sweet deals on aircraft. However, I don't think DL will purchase the 736 nor the A318, as they are too heavy and are less economical than the E190/195 and the Bombardier CSeries.



The Pink Delta 767-400ER - The most beautiful aircraft in the sky
User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4559 times:



Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 3):
E170/175 or CRJ700 replaces DC-9-10

The -10's have been gone for a while.



'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineTL8490 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

Has it occured to anyone that there may need to be larger planes on many of these routes as they combine. For instance, two regional jets could be replaced by one 737 etc. The larger the plane the more economical correct?

User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4898 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4466 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 14):
Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 3):
E170/175 or CRJ700 replaces DC-9-10

The -10's have been gone for a while.

...and were basically replaced by current RJ-85's  Wink



Flying an aeroplane with only a single propeller to keep you in the air. Can you imagine that? -Capt. Picard
User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6159 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4462 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 16):
and were basically replaced by current RJ-85's

Which are also gone.



My mug slaketh over on Falstaff N503
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

There are really 2 different DC-9 fleets at NW:
1. The ~35 (or so) DC-9-30/40 fleet, which date mainly from the late 60's.
2. The 34 larger capacity and younger DC-9-50 fleet which date from the late 70's.

The -30/-40 fleet will need replacing much sooner and indeed the 30/40 fleet are being parked or scrapped slowly. The -50 fleet can arguably fly for NW 10 years beyond the retirement of the DC-9-30/40 fleet due to their younger age. Discussion of a single DC-9 replacement type for NW tends to ignore these 2 broad fleet types.

We have already seen a partial DC-9-30/40 replacement in the new CR9/E175 additions. From a capacity standpoint, the CR9/E175 mix is a good DC-9-30/40 replacement (on more than a one-to-one basis due to their smaller capacity) and assuming permittable scope clauses.

The eventual DC-9-50 replacement (keep in mind NW has not begun removing any -50's from service) will likely be add'l A319's or some similar sized aircraft (C-series). Barring any fleet rationalization in the combined DL/NW merger and assuming fuel prices stay below $150/barrel, I would not be surprized to see the DC-9-50 fleet flying to at least 2013 and possibly beyond 2015.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4192 times:



Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 3):
E170/175 or CRJ700 replaces DC-9-10

they dont have those anymore

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 14):
...and were basically replaced by current RJ-85's Wink

or those


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

I've been watching MZJ arrivals for a while,and NW has been sending DC-9-30's,757's and A320's there . They haven't been leaving,either. You'de thing FX would pick up the 75's.


'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4007 times:



Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 3):
E170/175 or CRJ700 replaces DC-9-10

Me thinks the model 10 was replaced by the RJ-85, which has since been replaced
by the 900. The 50??..........thats a good one. If the A319 was to replace the 50, why hasn't
it done so by now? Thirty three or thirty four 50's are still flying today from a high of 35. The fifty should be the last nine replaced. In late January, the 40's in service will be down to 5, from a high of 12 at one time. That bird can be replaced with the new model Bombardier or EM-190/195 as well as replacing the 30's.
Now,the seating has all to do with it. It mucks this up even more as far as guessing the replacement airplane. Fifty one to one hundred seats means two F.A.s. Any more seats and you add another F.A. which means $$$$. Why put another F.A. to work for a half dozen or so seats....the payout is almost non existing. Soooooo, it look like we are right back to square one.
Any ideas out there?

safe  idea 



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10601 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
The CRJ-900 is only 76 seats

Only because of the scope clause.


Here's the way I see it. DC-9's used to some current RJ cities. They might not be as economical, but they are paid for. DC-9's eventually replaced with CRJ-900's, E-190s or C Series and flown by mainline pilots....mainly because of the scope clause.

That's my crystal ball for today.

[Edited 2008-09-16 08:00:11]


"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3216 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3899 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 17):
they dont have those anymore

See reply 12.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 17):
or those

See reply 15

Didn't read many of the replies before you, huh?? Echo echo echo......

Quoting Mayor (Reply 20):
Only because of the scope clause.

Scope at DL is also 76 seats, which is a bit more lenient than UA's 70 seat scope.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 20):
DC-9's eventually replaced with CRJ-900's,

And ERJ-175's, as they are currently doing.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 20):
E-190s or C Series and flown by mainline pilots....

What would the hypothetical capacity be of either of these, flown in a mainline configuration??


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10601 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3883 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 21):
What would the hypothetical capacity be of either of these, flown in a mainline configuration??

I would say 100 seats.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineVictrola From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 525 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Maybe they can hunt down some BAC 111 or Caravelles Big grin

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19245 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3853 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 16):
1. The ~35 (or so) DC-9-30/40 fleet, which date mainly from the late 60's.

The D94 I flew DTW-EWR looked like nothing had changed since that period.  Silly Had to be the most dingy aircraft I have flown, but I am very glad I did.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
25 Phelpsie87 : I kinda understand the way you see it Mayor, but I am slightly confused how you see the scope clause as the only reason the CR9 is limited to 76 seat
26 Burnsie28 : Yeah.... or not... because the aircraft wasn't made to seat 100. Its not the only reason, NW wanted to have a F cabin to keep FF and business people
27 Mayor : What I meant is that the -900 is limited, right now, to 76 seats in a Delta Connection configuration because of the scope clause. If it was mainline
28 C5LOAD : If someone has already posted this I apologize I just joined today, but how hard would it be to re-engine the DC-9 with the 717 engines and extend the
29 Af773atmsp : DL will just simply add winglets to the DC-9s so we can suffer and/or enjoy them for many more years. Where is that photo of what a NW DC-9 would look
30 LawnDart : . . Mr. Guy Hachey President, Chief Operating Officer Bombardier Aerospace Dear Guy, Delta Air Lines and our affiliates at the Delta Connection, along
31 KingAir200 : Well, at this point, the limiting factor on DC-9s is not so much the engines but the amount of cycles on the airplane.
32 PanAm788 : Exactly, which is why I think the 737/A320 replacements have an excellent shot, but everyone here seems to be half-mainline regional jet crazy.
33 Rwy04LGA : My thoughts as well. Welcome to Airliners.net forum C5LOAD!
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Could The A340-500 Be A Good Fit For NWA? posted Wed Mar 19 2008 21:47:36 by Jetjack74
Freighter Replacement For NWA posted Wed Dec 12 2007 06:46:55 by Bobnwa
First 5 SIA A380s Could Be Loss-Making For Airbus posted Tue Jun 27 2006 18:35:10 by Singapore_Air
A320 Successor - What Could Be The Name? posted Wed Jan 11 2006 10:16:07 by Glidepath73
What Will Be The Code For A 747-800? posted Wed Nov 16 2005 09:45:18 by HS748
What Could Be The Next OneWorld Carrier (excl MA)? posted Sat Sep 17 2005 16:27:46 by BCA2005
What Will Be In Faro For The Championships? posted Wed May 26 2004 15:40:34 by GLAGAZ
Easyjet Could Be Getting A B747 For The Summer posted Tue May 25 2004 01:06:46 by 777ER
What Could Be The Most Succesfull Helicopter Ever? posted Thu Sep 18 2003 16:58:20 by Keesje
What A/c Could Replace The A300 For AA? posted Tue Jul 29 2003 17:11:51 by B752fanatic
Could The A340-500 Be A Good Fit For NWA? posted Wed Mar 19 2008 21:47:36 by Jetjack74
Freighter Replacement For NWA posted Wed Dec 12 2007 06:46:55 by Bobnwa
First 5 SIA A380s Could Be Loss-Making For Airbus posted Tue Jun 27 2006 18:35:10 by Singapore_Air
A320 Successor - What Could Be The Name? posted Wed Jan 11 2006 10:16:07 by Glidepath73
What Will Be The Code For A 747-800? posted Wed Nov 16 2005 09:45:18 by HS748
What Could Be The Next OneWorld Carrier (excl MA)? posted Sat Sep 17 2005 16:27:46 by BCA2005
What Will Be In Faro For The Championships? posted Wed May 26 2004 15:40:34 by GLAGAZ
Easyjet Could Be Getting A B747 For The Summer posted Tue May 25 2004 01:06:46 by 777ER
What Could Be The Most Succesfull Helicopter Ever? posted Thu Sep 18 2003 16:58:20 by Keesje
What A/c Could Replace The A300 For AA? posted Tue Jul 29 2003 17:11:51 by B752fanatic