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First EMB-190 For Virgin Nigeria (Picture)  
User currently offlineENU From Netherlands, joined Nov 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8329 times:

Virgin Nigeria will receive its first EMB-190 (5N-VNH) on the 29th of September. It seems, they are speeding up the delivery as for more Embraers will be delivered in October and the remaining four in February 2009. Could this be true and did VK convert the EMB-170's to EMB-190's?

The EMB-jets are fitted withe IFE and will gradually replace all the B737's and AT5.

VK will start operating to Enugu, Maiduguri and Monrovia in the coming weeks. The first flight to the US is still scheduled for this year.


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User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 778 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8089 times:



Quoting ENU (Thread starter):
Virgin Nigeria will receive its first EMB-190 (5N-VNH) on the 29th of September. It seems, they are speeding up the delivery as for more Embraers will be delivered in October and the remaining four in February 2009. Could this be true and did VK convert the EMB-170's to EMB-190's?

The EMB-jets are fitted withe IFE and will gradually replace all the B737's and AT5.

VK will start operating to Enugu, Maiduguri and Monrovia in the coming weeks. The first flight to the US is still scheduled for this year.

Good to see them expand domestically. I forgot how many E-jets they have on order in total, and how many 737s are there left in VK service?


User currently offlineENU From Netherlands, joined Nov 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8046 times:



Quoting KL577 (Reply 1):
I forgot how many E-jets they have on order in total, and how many 737s are there left in VK service?

10xEMB-170/190s and another 14 options and purchasing rights. I'm not sure about the breakdown though.

Five B733s are still with VK.

Indeed good to see VK expanding, after all the MMA2 nonsense. Arik Air expansion may be more sensational, but their financial background is dubious.

I wonder what Aero are planning. They will retain their current fleet and expand with 7xB735, meaning a huge expansion could be at hand.

Dana Air hopes to receive its AOC this month.

Afrijet is awaiting the delivery of their 2nd aircraft, before they are allowed to operate.


User currently offlinePhllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7663 times:

So in its short existence, VK has operated: A320, A340, 733, 763, AT7 and now 190.

I know they're adapting to market demand, but it must be awefuly expensive to keep having to train and retrain cabin crew, pilots, maintenance people, etc.


User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 778 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7652 times:



Quoting Phllax (Reply 3):
AT7

That should be AT4 and they have had a F50 in their fleet as well. But both these types were wet-leased from Dutch operator Denim Air.


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7611 times:

I read that VS was looking to sell VK. Any news on that ?


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User currently offlineENU From Netherlands, joined Nov 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7558 times:

Quoting Phllax (Reply 3):

They also have had an A330 operated by BMI. All except the B733 and EMBs were/are wet-leased. Not so much the training etc. expensive, but especially the lease contracts of the B736s are very unfavourable.

They have had a F50 from Denim Air and have a AT5 leased from Interstate Airlines.

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 5):

The Virgin Group will divest 60% of their 49% stake in Virgin Nigeria, retaining a share of 20% in the airline. I'm not sure if they will rebrand the airline.

[Edited 2008-09-16 12:52:07]

User currently offlineAsoRock From Bahrain, joined May 2006, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7423 times:



Quoting ENU (Reply 6):
The Virgin Group will divest 60% of their 49% stake in Virgin Nigeria, retaining a share of 20% in the airline. I'm not sure if they will rebrand the airline.

My hunch is that United Bank of Africa (UBA Plc) will most probably pick up Virgin Group's slice in VK. As for branding, I wouldn't be surprised to see VK pay royalties to keep using the Virgin brand for some years...SRB is not planning to totally pull out afterall?


User currently offlineVS030 From Barbados, joined Sep 2008, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6136 times:

Any idea why he's planning to sell? And who owns the other 51% currently?


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User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 778 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4974 times:



Quoting VS030 (Reply 8):
Any idea why he's planning to sell? And who owns the other 51% currently?

Basically because VK has been loss making so far. The other 51% is owned by Nigerian private investors.


User currently offlineVS030 From Barbados, joined Sep 2008, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

Ok. Thanks for the info.


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User currently offlineAlibo5NGN From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 773 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4659 times:
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Quoting ENU (Reply 6):
I'm not sure if they will rebrand the airline.

I hope they rebrand VK. They are not gaining anything from the Virgin name. Their key to survival is the rapid replacement of the expensive and outdated B733 leased from GECAS with the EMB-190s which are being bought at far more favorable terms. The losses they have suffered so far are short term. The market in Nigeria is big enough to accommodate all the major players. Now if they could only cancel the wet lease of the old 763s from Icelandic Air Group and acquire their own new long range aircraft!!!



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User currently offlineAsoRock From Bahrain, joined May 2006, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4637 times:



Quoting Alibo5NGN (Reply 11):
I hope they rebrand VK. They are not gaining anything from the Virgin name

One could look at it from another perspective, it's Virgin Group who is not gaining anything from the VK operation!

It saddened me to learn that Virgin Group is eying Ghana and Kenya as bases for a potentially relocated investment.


User currently offlineAlibo5NGN From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 773 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4378 times:
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Quoting AsoRock (Reply 12):
It saddened me to learn that Virgin Group is eying Ghana and Kenya as bases for a potentially relocated investment.

Good luck to them. You need a large population with a rising standard of living, size and capital to succeed. Ghana and Kenya do not have these. It is another bluff from SRB. As I said before, if SRB was really serious about setting up an airline in Nigeria, VK would have been better capitalized and it would eventually have become a major world airline that would have made SRB much more wealthier. VK was part of a chess game against BA and the old BASA agreements that did not allow Virgin Atlantic to expand. It is about time Western countries took Africa seriously. China and its Asian compatriots will do the job for them if care is not taken.



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User currently offlineClydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4323 times:



Quoting Phllax (Reply 3):
I know they're adapting to market demand, but it must be awefuly expensive to keep having to train and retrain cabin crew, pilots, maintenance people, etc.

I think the A320's were operated by a Bulgarian Operator and the 767's by a Latvian one, IIRC.


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