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A Helicopter Nearly Landed On My Roof Earlier!  
User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

I was minding my own business earlier, sat on the sofa reading. I live in a two floor place where I have French Windows with views out over the Sea on the second floor.

I often hear a lot of activity in the air above with traffic into SOU and BOU, but earlier I heard a Helicopter getting louder and louder.

The all of a sudden it was hovering at about 30ft RIGHT OUTSIDE MY FRENCH WINDOWS!

I live right in the centre of town, and not normally something you'd expect.

The Neighbours came running out, some crying as they thought it was about to crash.

It was a Air Ambulance, and was positioning to land in the Bus Station next door as some poor old Chap had taking a major heart attack in one of the shops.

I don't know much about Helicopters, except by the laws of basic Physics when you start one it should screw itself into the ground (!), but really was a stunning display of skill by the Pilot who gently swung this thing through the chimney pots, and into the Bus Station next door where he landed beautifully next door to a number 9 Double Decker!!

Wasn't quick enough to catch him hovering, but got this of his departure. I think the Copper waving is a nice touch!!

I hear the Patient is stable, which is good.

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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4973 times:

Why not just use an ambulance? There's a big riff going on here about usage of air ambulances for jobs that an ambulance can easily do, mainly regarding saving fuel and congested skies.


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User currently offlineFN1001 From Moldova, joined Sep 2008, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4911 times:



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
Why not just use an ambulance?

Because in Europe you do not find on all ambulances a doctor (MD). For a heart attack the doctor is mandatory, so he has to come to the site by car or, if not available by car, by helicopter.
The cost is covered by the health insurace.



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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4905 times:



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
Why not just use an ambulance? There's a big riff going on here about usage of air ambulances for jobs that an ambulance can easily do, mainly regarding saving fuel and congested skies.

Funny you should say that, as the old man was eventually taken away in a conventional Ambulance, plus he was sat upright and concious.

I did make me wonder..........



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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4892 times:



Quoting FN1001 (Reply 2):
The cost is covered by the health insurace.

Not in the U.K!! In the case of the Air Ambulance Service (as with the Lifeboats) it is all funded by private donations and no Government subsidy, which without wishing to get Political, is all wrong.



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User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2992 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4885 times:



Quoting FN1001 (Reply 2):
Because in Europe you do not find on all ambulances a doctor (MD).

Perhaps not in Germany, but in the UK all ambulances are staffed with fully qualified paramedics (2 of my friends are paramedics), fully equipped with defibulation equipment etc.

In this case, they may have used the air ambulance as ground ambulances may have been too far away at the time, there was known congestion between the accident site and the hospital, or simply that the helicopter could get the patient to A&E much quicker than a ground ambulance, even running on blues.

signol



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

Is traffic an Issue.....We sure could use a few Air Ambulances in Mumbai.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4862 times:



Quoting Signol (Reply 5):
that the helicopter could get the patient to A&E much quicker than a ground ambulance, even running on blues.

Not being negative here, but in my town we have a brand new £150 million pound hostpital which is 5 minutes by road from where he fell ill!



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User currently offlineFN1001 From Moldova, joined Sep 2008, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

In Germany the ambulances have two "fully qualified" paramedics too, but there are things paramedics are not allowed to do, so they have to be assisted by a doctor.


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User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4836 times:



Quoting Signol (Reply 5):
Perhaps not in Germany, but in the UK all ambulances are staffed with fully qualified paramedics (2 of my friends are paramedics), fully equipped with defibulation equipment etc.

we certainly do have qualified paramedics on all ambulances. However, certain circumstances mandate the involvement of an MD trained in emergency medicine in Germany (e.g. all circumstances in which prescription medication has to be applied). The MD usually comes to the scene in a small extra car similar to a police car or, especially in emergencies somewhere out in the country, by helicopter.



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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4763 times:



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
Why not just use an ambulance? There's a big riff going on here about usage of air ambulances for jobs that an ambulance can easily do, mainly regarding saving fuel and congested skies.

We have limited opportunity to open our windows due to the seasons. You can judge the weather by how often the police helicopters disturb us.

One particular morning a police helicopter woke us up at 2:00 A.M. By 2:30 A.M. We still couldn't get back to sleep, so I grabbed the binoculars and took a look out to see whose helicopter was causing the problem (Mesa Police). I then called in to ask why was this helicopter flying round and round in circles over my house.

"We received a 911 hangup."

I asked why they had not simply dispatched a patrol car from their station a mere five minutes away?

The helicopter was gone within a few minutes after that.


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3865 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4735 times:



Quoting Cumulus (Reply 7):
Not being negative here, but in my town we have a brand new £150 million pound hostpital which is 5 minutes by road from where he fell ill!

The local hospital may not have been in a position to actually render aid - not all hospitals offer all services, yours might not have had a cardiac specialist unit, while one further away would have. They would have used the air ambulance to get him to the best option - the one further away.

Quoting Khobar (Reply 10):
I asked why they had not simply dispatched a patrol car from their station a mere five minutes away?

It was probably flying anyway.


User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4534 times:



Quoting Moo (Reply 11):
The local hospital may not have been in a position to actually render aid - not all hospitals offer all services, yours might not have had a cardiac specialist unit, while one further away would have.

I totally agree, but I know for a fact it has one of the best Cardiac Units in the area, my Dad went there for a Quadruple By-Pass. Moreso, this old Fella who keeled over definately had a heart attack.

It's a mystery, unless of course the Helicopter just happened to be in the area.......!



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User currently offlineJER757 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4414 times:



Quoting Signol (Reply 5):
Perhaps not in Germany, but in the UK all ambulances are staffed with fully qualified paramedics

This thread is going slightly off topic, but what the hell... here we go!

Ambulances in the UK do not have two Paramedics on board. Most ambulances have one Paramedic and an Emergency Medical Technician (EMT). A paramedic is basically an EMT with substantial extra qualifications.

Some ambulances carry two EMTs and these are used for minor cases. Doctors are always on standby at hospitals to go out to incidents where they are required.

The reason the chopper was sent in this case was probably because it had a Dr on board and could therefore administer a higher level of treatment on the scene (some air ambulances always carry doctors, HEMS in London for example, others carry paramedics). The patient was carried back in the land ambulance as this is the most efficient way to transport patients over distances less than 60 miles (journeys of approx 1 hour).

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User currently offlineFrmrCAPCADET From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

There is a serious overuse of heliopters for traffic control, ambulence, etc. On the other hand there are times - in our floods last November, we got most of the available helicopers from San Francisco to Seattle - , AF, Army, police - hundreds of people were on their roofs or second stories 6 hours before the Weather Service predicted a flood. This is probably one of those things which needs some sophisticated computer scheduling to optimise this important function of aviationl


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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4250 times:



Quoting JER757 (Reply 13):
This thread is going slightly off topic, but what the hell... here we go!

Not at all!! It's Civil Aviation isn't it??!!



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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Quoting FN1001 (Reply 2):
For a heart attack the doctor is mandatory, so he has to come to the site by car or, if not available by car, by helicopter

A doctor is not mandatory in the pre-hospital setting here in the states. There is nothing a physician can do that I cannot do with the equipment we have. You could add a few things, maybe "clot busting" medications, but what is needed is the cath lab and/or surgical suite. A physician in the pre-hospital setting is generally a wasted resource. Not to take away from MDs, but there are very, very few cases that require a physician in the field. In those few cases, you must make due or the MD can be flown in or brought by police.

The purpose of the helo is rapid treatment/transport to an acute care facility with the capability to treat the problem; cath lab/surgury for the heart patient, stroke center (neurology/neurosurgeon) for the neuro deficits and a trauma center for the traumas. Just because a facility has the capability, the staff may have to be called in or may be busy on other cases that require diversion to a facility with the immediate capability. The hospital within 5 minutes by ground may not have the immediate capability to handle this patient.

Down here, hospitals get taxed and must go on diversion status. Its generally limited to trauma and neuro cases, but I assume cardiology services could be diverted also. In this area, there are many cardiologists, however neurosurgeons and trauma services are generally limited.

The closest level 1 or 2 trauma center and/or cath lab from our base is 60 nm. It makes the helo a vital part of EMS in this area. It's an awesome job.

We frequently surprise people by landing in yards, the road, football fields or wherever the call may take us. It attracts a crowd if near a population base.

M. EMT--P, RN

[Edited 2008-09-16 18:37:50]

User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3860 times:



Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 16):
We frequently surprise people by landing in yards, the road, football fields or wherever the call may take us. It attracts a crowd if near a population base.

With that landing in the Bus Station as above, how do the regs change for a night landing?



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User currently onlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1844 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3249 times:
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How about this, In the Netherlands the rescue choppers (except SAR) don't fly at night so nobody will come complaining!

It's always a pretty impressive display, those guys can land the chopper on a post stamp.



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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2888 times:



Quoting FN1001 (Reply 2):
Because in Europe you do not find on all ambulances a doctor (MD). For a heart attack the doctor is mandatory, so he has to come to the site by car or, if not available by car, by helicopter.
The cost is covered by the health insurace.

Or as it is commonly known outside of Germany, France, Italy, Spain, USA et al - NHS


User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2721 times:



Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 18):
It's always a pretty impressive display, those guys can land the chopper on a post stamp.

Funnily enough, just reading about that one above. They can land it on a space half the size of a Tennis Court - impressive stuff!!



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

The Air Ambulance would be quicker for a lot of places in rural Britain. I know that the nearest hospital to me is around 25 minutes drive away, whereas the nearest Air Ambulance is based just a few fields away. If something as serious as a heart attack was to happen to somebody in my village, the air ambulance would probably be the only real option.

User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2708 times:



Quoting Cumulus (Reply 17):
With that landing in the Bus Station as above, how do the regs change for a night landing?

http://www.ebaptisthealthcare.org/BaptistLifeFlight/LandingZone.aspx

We get in to some tight spaces during the day. There have been several that the pilots said they will not use at night. It's pilot's discretion. We have been on short final for a landing zone and the pilot had the fire department change LZs. He also uses the paramedic's and nurse's suggestions. If we do not feel comfortable, he will go-around and we'll find someplace else.

It's hard to tell on that picture, but it doesn't look like a place our pilots would go at night. Looks pretty tight.

M


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13165 posts, RR: 78
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Not a EMS chopper, but in August last year, the Met Police's new helicopter(s) spent most of a day right above me.
It was like the opening scene with Martin Sheen in the hotel room, from Apocalypse Now!

The LHR 'Climate Camp' demo was coming to it's end, with all the threats they had implied, so a major police presence was in my area.
(I went out later to take a look, and yes, you could smell some of the demonstrators!)


User currently offlineHolidaycharter From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

I used to see that chopper all the time when it was in service with Dorset and Somerset still bearing the same reg G-NAAB nice sounding chopper they used to land that in some tricky old spots

User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Quoting Cumulus (Reply 4):
Not in the U.K!! In the case of the Air Ambulance Service (as with the Lifeboats) it is all funded by private donations and no Government subsidy, which without wishing to get Political, is all wrong.
Here in Palm Beach County, we have the "Health Care District" which is its own taxing authority. It pays for among other things, the use of Trauma Hawk. We have two S-76s and they land just about anywhere the rotors fit. They are manned by two Flight Nurses who specialize in trauma care. They mainly fly to the two trauma centers here in the county, but have in the past flown burn victims from near by counties to the burn center in Miami.

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