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User currently offline1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8031 times:

Hello all. Just wandering , i was outside my workshop ( VolksWagon ) and noticed a AC 777 parked directly behind my workshop and couldn't help but wonder what it was doing there. AC leaves SYD around 10 am approx. But at around 1:30pm it was still parked there. Technical issue perhaps? Does any1 else have any info ? Cheers and thanx in advance!!!!  Smile


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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7591 times:

The flight (AC034/17SEP) to Vancouver was cancelled due to a flight control problem.

User currently offlineYVR99 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7324 times:



Quoting RP TPA (Reply 1):
flight control problem

Can anyone elaborate on what a "flight control problem" might be? Like the elevators not moving?  Wink



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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7283 times:



Quoting YVR99 (Reply 2):
Can anyone elaborate on what a "flight control problem" might be? Like the elevators not moving?

Elevators, flaps, slats, rudder, spoilers.....could have been anything.


User currently offlineAyqzbr From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6852 times:

The SYD website shows AC 7034 departing at 11 am Sep 18, which indicates that it is being ferried back. The AC website does not provide info on such flights. The YVR/YYZ leg of the Sep 17 AC 34 was operated on schedule by a (soon to be retired) 762 - that must have been a real downer for any passengers expecting the 777, particularly in J.

User currently offlineAirbear From Australia, joined May 2001, 648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5465 times:



Quoting 1821 (Thread starter):
i was outside my workshop ( VolksWagon ) and noticed a AC 777 parked directly behind my workshop

Hi ... sorry, I can't resist this one: this being in NSW - The Flat-Broke State, did it have a parking ticket under the windscreen wiper?

Cheers, have a nice day!


User currently offlineWoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5408 times:

Speaking of a n AC 777 in an odd place. There is one parked on the hardstand at Fairbanks International Airport, Alaska since last week. It was still there on Monday when I drove by and I photographed it last Thursday along with the Palin/McCain campaign plane, photos that were rejected by Airliners incidently. I thought maybe it was being tested by Boeing pre-delivery but I see that there are a number of images of C-FIUL in the database dating to spring of 2008.
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AC 777-300 (C-FIUL) on Sept 9, Fairbanks International, Alaska.


User currently offlineWill From Australia, joined May 1999, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4761 times:
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Quoting YVR99 (Reply 2):
Can anyone elaborate on what a "flight control problem" might be? Like the elevators not moving?

If that being the case of the tech delay... Sounds like it could be an ACE test failure... I have found this is the most common thing that has grounded B777's.. Speculating though...

Regards,

Will.............


User currently offlineBA84 From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 418 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4188 times:
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Computer problem. Had to get a part from HKG.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4164 times:



Quoting Woodsboy (Reply 6):
Speaking of a n AC 777 in an odd place. There is one parked on the hardstand at Fairbanks International Airport, Alaska since last week. It was still there on Monday when I drove by and I photographed it last Thursday along with the Palin/McCain campaign plane, photos that were rejected by Airliners incidently. I thought maybe it was being tested by Boeing pre-delivery but I see that there are a number of images of C-FIUL in the database dating to spring of 2008.

It diverted to FAI on a YYZ-ICN flight on September 10 due to engine problems. It was fairly close to the North Pole (84 deg. N latitude) when the problem occurred and the diversion took over 2.5 hours. Following from Transport Canada daily incident reports website.

ACA 065, an Air Canada B777 with 187 people on board, was en route Toronto to Incheon and over the Arctic Ocean at 84N/140W when the crew advised the Edmonton ACC Controller that there was a mechanical issue and that the aircraft needed to divert to Fairbanks, Alaska (PAFA). The aircraft arrived PAFA without incident 2 hours and 43 minutes later at 2257z. TSB will follow up with the company.
UPDATE TSB reported that the Boeing 777-300 Flight ACA 065, was in cruise at 84°N/140°W when an engine vibration was noticed and an audible boom was heard from the #1 engine. The engine continued to operate normally but the vibration continued. A diversion to Fairbanks, Alaska was completed without incident.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10699 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4107 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
UPDATE TSB reported that the Boeing 777-300 Flight ACA 065, was in cruise at 84°N/140°W when an engine vibration was noticed and an audible boom was heard from the #1 engine.

That must have been frightening for the passengers. I would not want to feel vibrations from an engine followed by a boom sound, especially not on a twinjet with such massive engines flying over the Ocean. A quite possible uncontained 777 engine failure inflight must be close to desaster.


User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3938 times:
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Quoting NA (Reply 10):
That must have been frightening for the passengers. I would not want to feel vibrations from an engine followed by a boom sound, especially not on a twinjet with such massive engines flying over the Ocean. A quite possible uncontained 777 engine failure inflight must be close to desaster.

Passenger quote (not real) "Oh my god it was horrible! We were eating and then all of a sudden we heard an explosion and started to shake violently. We then did a barrel roll and almost hit the ground. The pilot did a great job!"
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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

The engine wasn't shut down, only powered down, and from what I understand, the problem can't be fixed in Fairbanks. A replacement engine is being brought in from Cincinnati.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3832 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 12):
The engine wasn't shut down, only powered down, and from what I understand, the problem can't be fixed in Fairbanks. A replacement engine is being brought in from Cincinnati.

That's one problem with twin-engine types. Had it been a 747 or A340, or even an MD-11, it could have made an engine-out ferry flight back to Canada and would probably already be back in service, never mind the high costs of shipping an engine and the necessary staff to FAI (presumably on a chartered widebody freighter?)

[Edited 2008-09-18 15:22:54]

User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3792 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
never mind the high costs of shipping an engine and the necessary staff to FAI (presumably on a chartered widebody freighter?)

I don't know about that. I have seen some KLM flights stuck and they bring those engines pretty far on a truck. A team of drivers of course though. I bet they just put them on a plane and met the drivers there.
Blue



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User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3743 times:

So what did they change the equipment to another 77W or 77LR?

It's funny, I happened to arrive at YYZ the other night and at the gate where the YYZ YVR 77LR would normally be, same time and flight number, but it was an A343 (which I have not seen on that flight for some time). I knew that was the first leg of YYZ YVR SYD and was curious if they had subbed the 343.

Is that what in fact happened?

If that was the case. wow, I realize there is not likely much pax could do about it but can you imagine J class expecting the lie flat seat and getting the old 343 seat; Maybe even worse for economy pax expecting the new seat with the in seat IFE for a long, long flight and instead getting the old 343 economy class.


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4953 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

[quote=Viscount724,reply=13]never mind the high costs of shipping an engine and the necessary staff to FAI (presumably on a chartered widebody freighter?)
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Probably at the expense of GE if the engine was still under warranty.


User currently offlineGearup From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

AC needs to get it's act togather and quit leaving broken T7's lying around all over the place!

:D

[Edited 2008-09-18 18:09:59]


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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3473 times:

It seems somewhat strange that 2 brand new, state-of-the-art airplanes are experiencing significant technical issues at the same time. I remember AF having some problems with the GE 90-115B but are AC's problems out the ordinary or just coincidental?

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9029 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3415 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
Had it been a 747 or A340, or even an MD-11, it could have made an engine-out ferry flight back to Canada and would probably already be back in service, never mind the high costs of shipping an engine and the necessary staff to FAI (presumably on a chartered widebody freighter?)

Most prob those aircraft would just keep going. Engine problems like described without a fire you can just shut it down, secure it, descend a little and keep going. No need for a divert or a 2/3 engine ferry, many cases the pax would be oblivious to the flight continuing with OEI.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3363 times:



Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 18):
are AC's problems out the ordinary or just coincidental?

Since the causes appear to be unrelated I would say they're coincidental. There are many of these types of incidents that never make the news. For example I spotted the following two CX 747-400 diversions to airports in Canada last week (excerpts from Transport Canada incident website).

September 9

The Cathay Pacific Airways Limited Boeing 747-400 series aircraft (operating as flight CPA889) was en-route on a scheduled IFR flight from New York (JFK) International Airport, NY (U.S.A.) (KJFK) to Vancouver International Airport (CYVR). While in cruise flight, the flight crew observed smoke within the cockpit followed by an EICAS message "EE CLNG SUP FAN". The aircraft diverted to Toronto (CYYZ) and landed uneventfully with ARFF services standing by. Maintenance staff confirmed that the Electronic Equipment Cooling Supply Fan was faulty. The fan was replaced and tested as per AMM 21-58-01.

September 10

The Boeing 747-400, Cathay Pacific 873, enroute from San Fransisco to Hong Kong diverted to Vancouver due to a precautionary shutdown of engine #3. No ERS required. Aircraft landed safely at 1128Z. No impact to operations.
UPDATE from the TSB: While transiting Canadian airspace (KSFO to VHHH), the B747-400, operating as Cathay Pacific 873 developed a lubrication problem in the #3 engine (RR524H). The engine was intentionally shut down and the flight diverted to Vancouver for an uneventful landing.


Quoting Zeke (Reply 19):
Most prob those aircraft would just keep going. Engine problems like described without a fire you can just shut it down, secure it, descend a little and keep going. No need for a divert or a 2/3 engine ferry, many cases the pax would be oblivious to the flight continuing with OEI.

From the first engine-related CX diversion above, it appears they didn't follow your procedure.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9029 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3335 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
From the first engine-related CX diversion above, it appears they didn't follow your procedure.

SFO-HKG is right at the limit of the 744 range, you would need well to be out of the Canadian airspace to continue on. If it had been the other direction, you could have continued to SFO, not need to divert to YVR

With the twin, you would be divert to the nearest suitable, which may not have been even YVR.



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User currently offlineIceman2 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3029 times:

I heard this was an LP turbine blade failure, the first in Air Canada, but plenty of other 77W operators have suffered them in the last year.
Does anyone know whether the aircraft is back in service yet?


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