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User currently offlinePZ From Paraguay, joined Oct 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

Ok, here we go...
PU will start serving ASU starting October 29th...
also TA will start serving ASU December 15th...
The new airline that is being formed in Paraguay called Regional Paraguaya is about to start service, probably by the end of September/beginning of October. They already have 3 airplanes waiting to start service, one BAE 146 and 2 737-200. The BAE 146 already made a charter flight to EZE at the beginning of September...


Now with the rumors...
Ok, according to various sources, also another new paraguayan airline is about to be born. The airline will be called FLY PARAGUAY INTERNATIONAL and according to the rumors circulating an american airline is behind this new airline (not AA). They are going to operate 737sNG and they are already starting to hire personnel and they even have offices at the airport. Does anyone know something about this??

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User currently offlinePZ707 From Paraguay, joined Mar 2005, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

quote=PZ,reply=0]Now with the rumors...
Ok, according to various sources, also another new paraguayan airline is about to be born. The airline will be called FLY PARAGUAY INTERNATIONAL and according to the rumors circulating an american airline is behind this new airline (not AA). They are going to operate 737sNG and they are already starting to hire personnel and they even have offices at the airport. Does anyone know something about this??[/quote]


Coincidence?? 2 days ago, Ultima Hora, a local newspaper, started publications clearly against JJ management regarding recently modifications and frecuency reductions on PZ operations, and making strong emphasis regarding heavy reductions on local ground personnel. Maybe the newspaper owner (a millionaire, owner of local tv stations, supermarket chains and some other things) is involved in some way with those new ventures.


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1128 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

No AA rumors regarding ASU? Let´s hope AA restarts service soon.

User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4391 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

Last year we commented here about the possibility for a new Paraguayan airline controlled by Synergy Group called OceanAir Paraguay.
Any further information ?
Regards.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

I know Co is short on eq right now..but as 78s start coming online what are the thoughts of CO starting a 752 IAH-ASU?


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2722 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 3):
Last year we commented here about the possibility for a new Paraguayan airline controlled by Synergy Group called OceanAir Paraguay.
Any further information ?

After the money they lost in Ocean Air international adventure, they postpone any plans for a new airline at least for a while.

Quoting PZ707 (Reply 1):
Coincidence?? 2 days ago, Ultima Hora, a local newspaper, started publications clearly against JJ management regarding recently modifications and frecuency reductions on PZ operations, and making strong emphasis regarding heavy reductions on local ground personnel

Same problems TAM face by the time they decided to use the A319/A320 to replace the F100. Some markets aren't capable to held the larger plane.
And they dismantle PZ HQ operation in favor of a single HQ in São Paulo, together with TAM staff.

Quoting PZ (Thread starter):
They are going to operate 737sNG and they are already starting to hire personnel and they even have offices at the airport. Does anyone know something about this??

Would be nice, but IMO, the best plane would be the E-Jet as it could allow more frequencies to smaller markets. With E-Jets any new player would kill PZ in several routes with 100-200 daily seats demand. Put 2x daily ASU-SCL with E190 to compete against a daily A320, with better schedule (early morning / late night) and they will attract at least 50% of PZ pax.



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User currently offlineAsuflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

Any news on Aerosur Paraguay? Some unreliable sources say it could start by the end of the year.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 4):
I know Co is short on eq right now..but as 78s start coming online what are the thoughts of CO starting a 752 IAH-ASU?


Very unlikely. The only US carrier that would possibly come ASU would be AA from MIA.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
Put 2x daily ASU-SCL with E190 to compete against a daily A320, with better schedule (early morning / late night) and they will attract at least 50% of PZ pax.

Would attract even more pax since PZ only goes to SCL 3x weekly.


User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

So;

AeroSur Paraguay
OceanAir Paraguay
Regional Paraguaya
FLY PARAGUAY INTERNATIONAL
And TAM.

Looks like lots of airlines and rumors for a small market.


User currently offlinePZ From Paraguay, joined Oct 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2634 times:



Quoting PU752 (Reply 7):

TAM already there
Regional Paraguaya is about to begin service
OceanAir Paraguay and AeroSur Paraguay, none of those got their plans beyond an intention
Fly Paraguay International... well, they began to hire some personnel but let's see how it goes...

But anyhow, the market IS growing in ASU, if you take a look at the number of passengers travelling through ASU, you will see that it is growing year after year...


User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2565 times:



Quoting PZ (Reply 8):
But anyhow, the market IS growing in ASU, if you take a look at the number of passengers travelling through ASU, you will see that it is growing year after year...

It'd be great if you can show us those numbers.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4391 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2520 times:



Quoting Asuflyer (Reply 6):
Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 4):
I know Co is short on eq right now..but as 78s start coming online what are the thoughts of CO starting a 752 IAH-ASU?


Very unlikely. The only US carrier that would possibly come ASU would be AA from MIA.

I second that !
IIRC, AA flew MIA-GRU-ASU and it demonstrates that Paraguay was not able to sustain dedicated flights to South Florida in those days.
Related to the hypothetical operations to the south cone, CO IAH-SCL will by far happen prior to CO IAH-ASU.




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Quoting PZ (Reply 8):
if you take a look at the number of passengers travelling through ASU, you will see that it is growing year after year...

What about the top destinations out of ASU ?
Please, explain.

Regards.



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User currently offlinePZ From Paraguay, joined Oct 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2501 times:



Quoting PU752 (Reply 9):


Quoting PZ (Reply 8):
But anyhow, the market IS growing in ASU, if you take a look at the number of passengers travelling through ASU, you will see that it is growing year after year...

It'd be great if you can show us those numbers.

Ok, here you have a link: Link
Read at the end of the article.
Comparing January 2007 with January 2008, there have been a 30% increase in passangers in ASU


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

What about IB? what is said in Paraguay? AFAIK ASU is high on the wish list for LatAm expansion although not through a non stop but a triangular with VVI......


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2379 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 10):
IIRC, AA flew MIA-GRU-ASU and it demonstrates that Paraguay was not able to sustain dedicated flights to South Florida in those days.

But wasn't the route dropped because of travel agent fee and taxes ?

Quoting PZ (Reply 11):
Read at the end of the article.
Comparing January 2007 with January 2008, there have been a 30% increase in passangers in ASU

Thanks for the numbers, and this is a very good (and strong) growth. Lets see with more services and new destinations, if ASU continues to show such growth.
In the other hand, TAM has dropped it's COR flights.

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 12):
What about IB? what is said in Paraguay? AFAIK ASU is high on the wish list for LatAm expansion although not through a non stop but a triangular with VVI......

IB should begin ASU 3 to 4x weekly. And they can verify if they could include 1 or 2x weekly stops at Northeast of Brazil. But i'm sure ASU can sustain at least 4x weekly non-stop service to MAD.



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User currently offlinePZ From Paraguay, joined Oct 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2303 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
IB should begin ASU 3 to 4x weekly. And they can verify if they could include 1 or 2x weekly stops at Northeast of Brazil. But i'm sure ASU can sustain at least 4x weekly non-stop service to MAD.

I'm not sure if ASU can sustain 4x weekly non-stop service to MAD, probably in the future, maybe a triangular with VVI or northeast brazil as you said will work for now...


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2256 times:
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Quoting PZ (Reply 14):
I'm not sure if ASU can sustain 4x weekly non-stop service to MAD, probably in the future, maybe a triangular with VVI or northeast brazil as you said will work for now...

It's a matter of developing Northeast also as a possible destination from/to Paraguay (i'm sure at least 50 passengers every flight is not hard to obtain with a small marketing investment). The problem may be the lack of a small plane on IB fleet (Airbus A332 would be great for this flight) with better economics than the A343.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2232 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 10):
IIRC, AA flew MIA-GRU-ASU and it demonstrates that Paraguay was not able to sustain dedicated flights to South Florida in those days.

But wasn't the route dropped because of travel agent fee and taxes ?

Yes, and AA will re-enter Paraguay the day that the fees are dropped. Paraguay was profitable, but still low-yield, and the new mandatory agent fees eroded the little profit that there was.

AA has already told Paraguayan officals they want to return, the ball is in their court, but in typical, corrupt South American style, they aren't budging. It's too bad, because in the end consumers are the ones that are hurt the most.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2207 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
Yes, and AA will re-enter Paraguay the day that the fees are dropped. Paraguay was profitable, but still low-yield, and the new mandatory agent fees eroded the little profit that there was.

AA has already told Paraguayan officals they want to return, the ball is in their court, but in typical, corrupt South American style, they aren't budging. It's too bad, because in the end consumers are the ones that are hurt the most.

Thanks for clarify. PZ/JJ now takes a good portion of this traffic Paraguay - United States thru São Paulo.



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User currently offlinePZ From Paraguay, joined Oct 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2182 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
Yes, and AA will re-enter Paraguay the day that the fees are dropped. Paraguay was profitable, but still low-yield, and the new mandatory agent fees eroded the little profit that there was.

AA has already told Paraguayan officals they want to return, the ball is in their court, but in typical, corrupt South American style, they aren't budging. It's too bad, because in the end consumers are the ones that are hurt the most.

It seems that with the new government they are more interested in doing things right, a lot of people want that agent fee to disappear!


User currently offlinePZ From Paraguay, joined Oct 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

More news...
The ambassador of Colombia in Paraguay said today that he is in talks to open the route ASU-BOG...
SOURCE

Also, the President of Paraguay was in a conference today at the airport and had a hat that said FLY PARAGUAY on... mmm interesting

[Edited 2008-09-19 09:10:45]

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