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Japan: 747-400D/-300 Routes  
User currently offlineLoran From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 531 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4698 times:

Is there any information where the ANA and JAL 747-400D are flying to?
Their websites are a little confusing and do not provide the exact information, also there are no quotes available. What is the rough price for a flight between say Haneda and Sapporo?

Also, where are the 747-300 flying to? Apparently they are now with JALways.

What is the retirement schedule for these birds, does anyone now how long they are going to stay with ANA & JAL?

Thanks for any info!
Loran


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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4561 times:



Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
Is there any information where the ANA and JAL 747-400D are flying to?

I wish there was a website onto this but there isn't. But I saw a JAL B747-400D being serviced and flying NGO-OKA. I saw several other JL B747-400D at Tokyo Haneda but no idea where they were going. But I would guess CTS.

And as for the B747-300. I know that there are a lot of these birds flying on certain JO routes from NRT-HNL, NGO-HNL, and KIX-HNL.



Flown on: DC-10-30, B747-200B, B747-300, B747-300SR, B747-400, B747-400D, B767-300, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-300
User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4409 times:
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Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
What is the retirement schedule for these birds, does anyone now how long they are going to stay with ANA & JAL?

That would be also something I would like to know. For now, the B743s are still going strong in the Hawaii routes, with services from NGO, KIX, and NRT to HNL, on flights JO84, JO78, and JO74 respectively. Had the pleasure of riding JA8185, the ex JAA bird from HNL-NRT, and it was a really nice flight.

Currently, it looks like JA8166, JA8177, JA8184, JA8185, and JA813J are still active doing runs to HNL. I also spotted JA8186 in NRT, with a new coat of paint (along with JA8184) so perhaps they might still be around for a while.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4279 times:



Quoting Je89_w (Reply 2):
Currently, it looks like JA8166, JA8177, JA8184, JA8185, and JA813J are still active doing runs to HNL. I also spotted JA8186 in NRT

In addition to these birds, I think JA812J was still flying as well. Last time I checked, they were doing the JO84 NGO-HNL for that particular evening. I didn't see JA8177 so that's new news to me.



Flown on: DC-10-30, B747-200B, B747-300, B747-300SR, B747-400, B747-400D, B767-300, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-300
User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2946 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

JL's 744Ds fly HND-OKA/CTS & NGO-CTS/OKA only. The first 744D is expected to be retired in 2010 and probably be gone by end of 2012.

NH's 744Ds mainly fly on HND-OKA/CTS/FUK but they operate to some of the large regional markets like Hiroshima and Hakodate too. The schedules change monthly. There are no retirement plans but similar to JL, most of the 744Ds are early 1990s build so they will probably be all gone by around 2015. Most of the 747SRs in previous service lasted only 20 years.

JL's 743s fly on the Hawaiian runs, as previously mentioned, plus NRT-GUM/MNL. One or two fly domestic runs to fill in for 777s when one is in maintenance. The 747-classics will be all gone by early 2010 or perhaps even earlier if the Asian economies tank.

Tokyo to Sapporo Chitose route can cost from around 20,000 yen and up one-way with taxes included (approx. 135 euros). There are often cheaper fares when booking in conjuction with an int'l ticket.


User currently offlineLoran From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 531 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

Great, thanks for the information so far!

I think the best way to go is to book one of NH's 744 flights, since they have more -400D's than -400's in their fleet, and their -400's seem to be doing the main international routes (FRA/CDG/etc.).

The online schedule does not seem to distinguish between -400D and -400, it only says 744. But I can strongly assume it will be a -400D on the domestic routes, right?

Also, when JO mentions a 747 on the schedule rather than a 744, that would impy it is a -300, correct?

Im a little surprised that both of their websites do not provide quotes, I found some prices on expedia.com, I think it was $US327 to CTS.

Thanks again,
Loran



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2946 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4128 times:



Quoting Loran (Reply 5):
The online schedule does not seem to distinguish between -400D and -400, it only says 744. But I can strongly assume it will be a -400D on the domestic routes, right?

Correct. For a few years, NH operated a couple of 744s on domestic routes because they had excess airframes but those 744s are now gone.

Quoting Loran (Reply 5):
Also, when JO mentions a 747 on the schedule rather than a 744, that would impy it is a -300, correct?

Yes.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3965 times:



Quoting Loran (Reply 5):
Also, when JO mentions a 747 on the schedule rather than a 744, that would impy it is a -300, correct?

Correct, it would be a B747-300. However, if is written as a B744D, these are JL birds just flying under a JO flight number. Are they wet-leased from JL?

Quoting Loran (Reply 5):
The online schedule does not seem to distinguish between -400D and -400, it only says 744. But I can strongly assume it will be a -400D on the domestic routes, right?

Most likely yes, but I have been on a few domestic routes that were said to be B744 and they were the real international ones. I think this was shortly after 9/11 and JA8087 was put in domestic services for about half a year. But of course the B744 has problems of not suiting a lot of Japanese airports in taxiways and gates so they were only used to certain airports such as KIX, ITM, CTS, and I think FUK?



Flown on: DC-10-30, B747-200B, B747-300, B747-300SR, B747-400, B747-400D, B767-300, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-300
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24824 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3941 times:



Quoting Loran (Reply 5):
Im a little surprised that both of their websites do not provide quotes

I haven't checked NH but JL's Americas website permits domestic flight bookings and fare quotes in Japan. select the Japan as the origin and destination country and all of their domestic destinations appear in the drop-down boxes. The rest is very simple.
http://www.ar.jal.com/en/


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