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Air Wales Wants To Go US!  
User currently offlineEnglandair From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 2228 posts, RR: 3
Posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2242 times:

Taken from the BBC News website

Wales's only scheduled airline is investigating the possibility of setting up a regular air link between Cardiff and New York.
The fledgling airline Air Wales was set up last year and currently operates between Cardiff and Cork.

It is now preparing to expand its services next month with twice-daily flights to Manchester.

But it has ambitions to begin a transatlantic service from Wales to New York's Newark International Airport.

"Nothing will do more for Wales than having its own national airline showing the flag for Wales in different countries."
Captain John Howard Evans


Air Wales has taken on the mantle of the old Cambrian Airways, whose Viscount aircraft used to fly from Cardiff to places like Jersey and Malaga back in the 1960s.

Cambrian disappeared when it merged into British Airways three decades ago and since then Wales has been without a national airline.

Managing director of Air Wales, Captain John Howard Evans, has plans to change that.

He told BBC Wales they were looking at the "seriously investigating" the possibility of a transatlantic link.

"Nothing will do more for Wales than having its own national airline, showing the flag for Wales in different countries," he said.

Plans under consideration also include flights to other regional airports around the UK - including Belfast and Luton.

Direct flights are to start to Manchester


The company has already carried more than 12,000 passengers on its Cardiff to Cork service since last October.

Next month it takes deliveries of two more 19-seater planes.

Captain Evans also said he believed there was potential for a daily service between Haverfordwest and London's Stansted Airport.

Pembrokeshire Council is already looking at the possibility of upgrading Withybush Airport at Haverfordwest, which would be necessary for this kind of commercial flight.

The owners of Caernarfon Airport in north Wales are also looking at the options - something which might open up the possibility of establishing a pan-Wales air service.
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Your thoughts?



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User currently offlineEnglandair From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 2228 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

By the way, does anyone know the web address for Air Wales?

Cheers.


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

Who on earth wants to go to Wales from America???

User currently offlineBoeingrulz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 482 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2089 times:
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Interesting topic. I tried to search for air Wales on the internet and have come up empty for now. Frankly I had never heard of Air Wales but I am interested in Wales as some of my ancestors came from there, specifically Caernarfon. What planes does the airline fly? Is Cork its only destination?

Carolyn


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

I would seen as you can only go to Toronto from Bristol.

EGGD


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

Especially in the summer season when tourism is at its highest, I bet this could work with an ETOPS 737NG or A320...

Aaron G.


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

Thats the funniest thing Ive ever heard!! I believe they dont even own the Do228 that they operate so how on Earth would they afford to buy a large jet. I believe also leasing an a/c costs a lot too so that idea is out.


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineEnglandair From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 2228 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

I thought it was pretty funny too and I think it may be slightly ambitious!
However, I'm sure they know what they're doing, and I wish them the best of luck.

I wonder if the Air Wales website has got any info on it....?!


User currently offlineEnglandair From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 2228 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

Their website is:

http://www.air-wales.sageweb.co.uk


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

If their saying EWR, they might be thinking of codesharing with CO and CO flying a 757 on that route. Could work.

Jeff


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8197 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

Wales is a pretty important country in the United Kingdom and has a lot of big businesses based there, including GE's European base at Cardiff airport. My only question is why there hasn't been a scheduled link before. It would make a lot of commercial sense. If it isn't Air Wales, someone else will do it before long. If Glasgow has trans Atlantic service then Cardiff will too. CO are serious about EWR-Edinburgh and Cardiff is a more important business destination (higher yield) than EDI.

Anyone know the population of Wales? It's got to be 4 million or more.



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

The population of Wales is less than 3 million I believe.


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineLBA From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Cardiff doesn't just serve Wales does it? Think about the population in Herefordshire, Worcestershire, Gloucestershire, Devon, Cornwall who currently have to go to BHX, LGW or LHR for tranatlantic flights. The only issue with Cardiff is it is badly located and it's transport links are attrocious.

User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

I am sure that a long thin route could probably be justified if it wasn't for the fact pointed out by LBA. It is probably just as easy to get to Manchester, Birmingham or even Heathrow, than Cardiff from certain parts of the country. Perhaps they should think of Bristol.

Assume that Air Wales will be the launch customer for the NGDo228ER



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User currently offlineCatflap From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

Cardiff is one of the fastest growing and most prosperous cities in the UK. the catchment area for Cardiff Airport is 7 million people! Cardiff Airport is expanding rapidly. There are advanced plans to improve the road link via a connection to the M4 West of Cardiff. There are also less advanced plans to construct a new international airport in the Severn estuary near Newport. Bristol is opposing these plans vigorously, for obvious reasons. Part of the attraction with Cardiff is that there are few environmental problems. Planes take-off over open fields and then pass over the cliffs and out across the Bristol Channel. Another big advantage with Cardiff Airport is that RAF St. Athan is right next door. This will close down in the next few years providing massive scope for 'brownfield' expansion. Jumbos already use Cardiff as BA has a huge maintenance facility there.

User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

Why is Wales neglected, wonder if the likes of PIA and Air India can fly there Confused


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User currently offlineLBA From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

Jumbos do use Cardiff, but they are empty. I think the runway is a little short for a fully loaded 747 by about 3,000 ft.

User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

Hey Sevenair

Who the hell would want to go to Newcastle from America? Or Canada?

Yet they do. Think about it. So why not Wales?

More power to Air Wales. Why should everyone in the UK be forced to travel to the US and Canada via London. Continental are likely to start operations form EDI to EWR and they have been profitable ex GLA since they started. So a service to CWL might just work.


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

I do however see a logic in Air Wales code-sharing with CO on a new route to EWR. As I understand it Air Wales currently only has a class B AOC or something. I think that route could work but I think for those living in SW Englad getting to LHR,BHX is much easier than CWL so it would have to rely on Welsh travellers to the USA. It would also be great for an EDI-EWR service to start as that would probably be good.
BTW I have heard rumors that Air Wales were thinking about operating to NCL, is this true? Currently BRAL operates this route 1 x daily with J41.



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3077 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Since I'm in Swansea, I've looked at the possibility of using CWL but it is really not that convienient to get to. Train to Cardiff Central, then a bus, backtracking a bit. There needs to be a rail link.

In one of the recent airplane magazines I bought, there is an article about CWL that was interesting. It has a lot of info.

http://www.airwales.co.uk/ is another URL.

mls515


User currently offlineG-BEAK From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2000, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

Well said Scotty. If this thread was about a route from Heathrow/Gatwick/Luton/Stansted/Manchester/Birmingham/Liverpool etc we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. No one would question it, it would be accepted as a done deal and perfectly sensible decision but if anything concerns Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff or Belfast we have to justify our right to travel from our local area.


User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Agreed. I know a guy who was flying from GLA to JFK, got on a shuttle at about 6am, hung around LHR for a few hours, got on his expensive BA flight and then seven hours after he left his house, he was looking at it again - from 37,000ft. Going direct, he could have been almost in New York. What a waste of time and money.

Local airports make sense. Go Continental!!


User currently offlineG-BEAK From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2000, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

Exactly. We keep hearing how LHR is too busy, not enough space, delays, too much noise, locals don't want T5 etc, etc, etc. If people didn't didn't have to go anywhere near London (Luton and Stansted included) that would go some way to easing the situation but instead of being ambitious enough to launch totally new routes we just get even more flights to and from the same destinations.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

London does need some regionalization, kind of like here in Boston. Continental is starting EWR-STN service later this month, but LTN I think will be a more low-fare airport, since it is only 30-45 minutes outside of LHR if I recall correctly. However, I feel that a new runway and T5 at LHR both need to be built, as LHR is England's premier port of entry and it is one of the major crossroads of the world.

Jeff


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

If this thread was about a route from Heathrow/Gatwick/Luton/Stansted/Manchester/Birmingham/Liverpool

I beleive Bristol Airport is bigger than Liverpool, HOW DARE YOU Big grin

EGGD


25 G-BEAK : It's not London that needs regionalised - its the rest of the UK. LHR might be the premier port of entry to England but I don't live in England and if
26 Scotty : Spot on. Did you know that since easyJet started operating EDI-AMS in february, there has been a 72% increase in overall traffic on the sector. Just w
27 GKirk : There needs to be more direct links from regional airports such as NCL,EDI,CWL,BRS and GLA especially.
28 Ceilidh : They have a Type B AOC, which cost them £250,000 and took two years to get (due largely to John Evans not doing things properly the first ... second.
29 N312RC : I think that it's just sad. Some rinky-dink puddlejumping airline wants to start Transatlantic service. With what? A Do-228? HA! That would be like AS
30 Scotty : So where did Tripp start from? Or Howard Hughes? Or Freddie Laker? Or Richard Branson? Whats the point of running an airline, no matter how small, if
31 Englandair : Bloody well said mate!
32 ATCT : Cool, i hope to see them someday! ATCT
33 Jayhawk : LBA Fully loaded jumbo's have used cwl, it was used as a main diversion airport that was utilised when london was fog bound. a few years ago i saw VS
34 Ceilidh : Don't forget that BA has one of its main maintenance bases at CWL ... loadsa 747s go through there!!
35 Cedarjet : Jayhawk, those 747s weren't "fully loaded". They were diverted into CWL at the end of their longhaul flights so the fuel would have been low - that's
36 Diesel1 : Whether it's Air Wales or Continental or who ever it would be great if CWL had a transatlantic service. Whether there is sufficient business to sustai
37 LBA : Cedarjet You took the words right out of my mouth. There is no way a fully loaded 747 could use a 7,300 ft runway.
38 Jayhawk : LBA & Cedarjet I stand corrected Jayhawk
39 Jonnyboy : Regionalising transaltlantic service is an important issue, but to really sort out transport issues in the UK, a lot more is needed...but anyway...CWL
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